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What’s worse, Jewish capitalism or socialism?
Lucas Lee
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Dominic Adams
It isn't a matter of "one crooked ideology or another crooked ideology", the ideology is meaningless, it is just a vehicle for crooked people to take power. They just dress it up with what the people want and bait and switch.
Brayden Adams
The third position is the first position in new clothing, fascism is an alternative to liberal capitalism but is still a form of capitalism. Fascism is capitalism's defense mechanism against revolutionary socialist activity and capitalist instability.
Fascism is capitalism in decay, it's capitalism's authoritarian response to crises that are a threat to capital, typically in response to revolutionary activity, as a last-resort option. Fascism is the open brutal dictatorship of the most reactionary sections of finance capital.
As Georgi Dimitrov put it:
>"Fascism is not a form of state power "standing above both classes -- the proletariat and the bourgeoisie," as Otto Bauer, for instance, has asserted. It is not "the revolt of the petty bourgeoisie which has captured the machinery of the state," as the British Socialist Brailsford declares. No, fascism is not a power standing above class, nor government of the petty bourgeoisie or the lumpen-proletariat over finance capital. Fascism is the power of finance capital itself. It is the organization of terrorist vengeance against the working class and the revolutionary section of the peasantry and intelligentsia. In foreign policy, fascism is jingoism in its most brutal form, fomenting bestial hatred of other nations.... The development of fascism, and the fascist dictatorship itself, assume different forms in different countries, according to historical, social and economic conditions and to the national peculiarities, and the international position of the given country."
Socialism is the only true way to get us out of the mass that capitalism has created, fascism proposes to solve the problem but only scapegoats the problem onto oppressed elements of the working class or racial sections of the capitalist class instead of realizing that class analysis and class struggle has the true answers. It's socialism or extinction, folks.
Gavin Collins
Commies see the world through this utterly moronic circular logic lens of "Communism is right and everything will lead to communism".
Communism collapses literally every time it is tried, or enforces a brutal police state. Communism is fascism in decay. They take the revolutionary fervor of people to take hold of their own destiny and overthrow the injust system of rule by foreign, unaccountable special interests, and communism redirects it to... putting those same interests in government with absolute power.
It's no surprise commie regimes typically collapse within 50 years.
Andrew Jackson
>fascism is a form of capitalism
sounds like kike propaganda, capitalists will rip off their own dicks and put their arm in a blender to deplatform a fascist, but will allow commies to do as they please.
Adam James
Communism succeeds every time it's tried and leads to massive advances in the quality of life for the people.
First off, does capitalism work?
>1 out of every 7 US citizens needs to visit food banks to survive, despite having enough food to feed 10 billion people. Half of all food produced is thrown away by retailers. Food waste in 2018 enough to feed world's hungry 4 times over.
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>UNICEF, RESULTS, and Bread for the World estimate that 15 million people worldwide die each year from preventable poverty, of whom 11 million are children under the age of five.
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>In the US alone, 20-40k deaths every year because of lack of health insurance / care. On average, that's 300k over the last decade.
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>Empty homes outnumber the homeless by 6 to 1. Bank foreclosures and housing speculators have left 18.9 million empty homes. 2.5 million homeless children, or ~1/30. In the UK, there are 10x more empty houses than homeless families.
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Elijah Rogers
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Michael Turner
>Communism succeeds every time it's tried and leads to massive advances in the quality of life for the people.
PFFFFFFHAHAHAH
Brayden Kelly
What's worse; shit or diarrhea?
Elijah Turner
>dude the only options are crony capitalism or communism
>dude fascism is just like capitalism
Bentley Bailey
bullshit, if anything, fascism is the fullfilment of romantic nationalism of the 19th century, when it's promises of equality and self-actualization failed. it correctly identifies the problem as the absence of solidarity caused by materialism and exacerbated by alien elements.
Benjamin Robinson
>Rising Housing prices from real estate speculation have skyrocketed to the point that an epidemic of hidden homeless has arisen: families who live in their cars, or on the street, but who still work. In most US cities, such as LA, it's illegal to sleep in your car overnight. 1/3rd of all renters pay half their income towards landlords. Even mid-size cities like Boise Idaho are experiencing a surge of homelessness as of 2019.
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>80% of US workers live paycheck to paycheck, 40% cannot cover a $400 emergency.
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>The bottom half of US citizens have a combined negative net worth. Average US household carries ~$140k in debt. Median household income only $60k.
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>40% of millenials live with their parents. Younger generations, with dwindling opportunities, feeling disposable and unwanted under late capitalism, suffer from a burnout epidemic. Many have stopped pursuing romantic relationships, and having children.
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Mason Jenkins
>implying theres a difference when jews are involved
Robert Garcia
My main issue with unregulated capitalism is that it intrinsically destroys its own people through the inevitable mass immigration that starts once corporations become powerful and wealthy enough to effectively have the ability to purchase the government. Communism at least never leads to calculated attacks on its own population with the goal to destroy them with race-mixing or some other evil.
Anthony Adams
Meanwhile, in post-communist Russia...
Charles Martinez
>Communism at least never leads to calculated attacks on its own population with the goal to destroy them with race-mixing or some other evil.
That's literally what the USSR did though. Ethnic groups like Ukrainians were genocided, then their lands were filled with other ethnic groups like Russians, to try to destroy local culture and identity. This is why you have shitholes like Transnistria now.
Jayden Green
There really is though
Landon Moore
>1/4th of US workers are trapped in the gig economy as of 2019.
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>70% of US citizens say they are struggling financially.
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>8 men control as much wealth as half the worlds population. Anyone wanna take a guess at how this game of monopoly ends?
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>Capitalist monopolies in media, food, energy, and transportation, mostly controlled by ~200 powerful shareholders.
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>Billionaires made enough money in 2017 to end poverty 7 times over.
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>US Life expectancy peaked in 2014, is on the decline, and is now lower than in China.
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>Suicide rates have leaped more than 33% in the last 20 years. Teen suicides are on the rise and outpacing all other age groups.
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>A Drug overdose epidemic, and suicides are fueling a decrease in life expectancy.
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Noah Morris
Here's a little snippet from Moldavian history
After the Red Army reconquered the area in 1944, Soviet authorities executed, exiled or imprisoned hundreds of the Moldavian SSR inhabitants in the following months on charges of collaboration with the "German-fascist occupiers". A later campaign was directed against the rich peasant families, who were deported to Kazakhstan and Siberia. Over the course of two days, 6–7 July 1949, a plan named "Operation South" saw the deportation of over 11,342 families by order of the Moldovian Minister of State Security, Iosif Mordovets.
Landon Stewart
The key difference here is that Russians were the primary people of the Soviet Union. I have no problem with promoting the supremacy of the nation's primary people at the expense of minorities. In the west however, it's the opposite: the primary people, along with all others, are sacrificed upon the altar of corporate profit.
Noah Lee
Capitalism sucks bruh, but communism's worse. That's why we need fascism.
John Anderson
>Committed countless atrocities, killing millions directly and indirectly across the globe. Currently maintains an imperialist network of over 800 military bases in 70 countries. (For comparison, all the other countries combined have only 30 bases)
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>Most prisoners per capita AND by total. Makes sense, since prison is Capitalism's boarding house.
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>Runs least 54 agricultural slave labor camps.
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>34,000 undesirables imprisoned in over 500 immigrant prison camps.
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>US Collapse Scenarios by 2030
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Capitalist hegemony has short-circuited people into buying wildly illogical and ridiculous propaganda like: "Lift yourselves up by the bootstraps" (which shows the almost religious power of capitalist propaganda, that the impossible can become possible), or "Communism doesn't work", when in fact Communism did work extremely well. Bourgeois propaganda wants you to think it never works.
Carson Howard
I prefer culture and justice over tyranny. If a group wants autonomy then let them have it.
David Rodriguez
>1 out of every 7 US citizens needs to visit food banks to survive
Utter bullshit. There are practically zero starvation deaths in the USA per year and that's how it's been for decades. Meanwhile, there are literally tens of thousands of obesity-related deaths every year, primarily among lower-income people.
Cameron Rivera
>when in fact Communism did work extremely well.
Sorry bro, I consider food to be too important to give up
Juan Peterson
huh... I'm a fascist
Levi Ward
I love the hypocrisy in this.
>USA will give food to you if you are starving
This is bad
>USSR causes famine due to stealing equipment from farmers
This is good
Asher Hughes
>b-but communism doesn't work!
>USSR had more nutritious food than the US (CIA)
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>Calories consumed surpassed the US
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Now lets take a look on more FACTS about the USSR: The USSR:
>had the 2nd fastest growing economy of the 20th century the USSR is 2nd after Japan
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>had zero unemployment have continuous economic growth for 70 straight years. The "continuous" part should make sense – the USSR was a planned, non-market economy, so market crashes á la capitalism were pretty much impossible.
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>had zero homelessness. Houses were often shared by two families throughout the 20s and 30s – so unlike capitalism, there were no empty houses, but the houses were very full. In the 40s there was the war, and in the 50s there were a number of orphans from the war. The mass housing projects began in the 60s, they were completed in the 70s, and by the 70s, there were homeless people, but they often had genuine issues with mental health.
>Ended famine which was prevalent before. You can read more about the post-1941 famine history in Nove's An Economic History of the USSR 1917-1991. There were food insecurity issues, especially when Khrushchev et al. majorly fucked up with trade and resource dependence on the west, but no famines after the collectivisation of agriculture in the early 1930s (except for in the Siege of Leningrad).
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>Ended sex inequality. Equal wages for men and women were mandated by law, but sex inequality, although not as pronounced as under capitalism, was perpetuated in social roles.
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Matthew Smith
jewish socialism?
Juan Cruz
>According to the Soviet propaganda ministry statistics, Soviet Union was the number one country in the world
You only have to go to google street view, and take a look at LITERALLY ANY LOCATION IN RUSSIA and you can see communism's legacy was not one of prosperity. And I'm using USSR as an example out of kindness, because if I really wanted to be mean I would bring up North Korea.
Jeremiah Stewart
More on the USSR:
>Made education free
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>Achieved 99% literacy rate
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>Had most doctors per capita in the world, the Soviet Union had the highest physician-patient ratio in the world, 42 per 10,000 population, vs 24 in Denmark and Sweden, 19 in US.
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>Eliminated poverty
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>Doubled life expectancy. After the October revolution, the life expectancy for all age groups went up. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. This improvement was seen in itself by some as immediate proof that the socialist system was superior to the capitalist system be 25 years away from reaching parity with Western world This is kind of a counterfactual – the transformation of the USSR to capitalism began a long time before 1991, so trying to figure out what Soviet growth would look like if it hadn't become capitalist requires that we root out the fundamental cause of the change to capitalism. And we can't even use US economic stats either – the mass-privatization of the Soviet economy and the sudden influx of cheap labour for Western capitalists obviously had an effect on the US economy. But then again, even a 1% difference will stack up over 25 years.
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Anthony Clark
Bruh, use your eyes. This is the average Russian town.
Isaac Gomez
>A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years.
Bruh, so basically, you're saying... people born after ww2 were less likely to die in ww2?
You'd have to be an absolute potato to fall for this BS.
Sebastian Roberts
>Communism succeeds every time it's tried
Lmfao this isn't even cope, it's just delusion. Instead of seeing communism as some infallible ideology why not change the shit that obviously doesn't work? Stop basing your worldview on dusty old tomes written by some poor faggot who wasn't even alive for the computer or you're just as bad as christcucks.
Josiah Russell
Now let's take a look at what happened after the USSR collapsed (or was intentionally sabotaged by Yeltsin, revisionists, and Western subversion):
>GDP instantly halved
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>40% of population dropped into poverty
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>7.7 million excess deaths in the first year
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>One in ten Russian children now live on the streets
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>Infant mortality increased
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Was 29.3 in 2003 which is around (current) Syria and Micronesia, 7.9 in 2013. Given the trend downwards, it was likely to have been much higher in the 90s. There's a weird amount of variation between years – I have no clue why. Infant mortality in USSR was 1.92, literally the lowest in the world. What the actual fuck.
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>Life expectancy decreased by 10 years
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>1996 election rigged
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Jordan Kelly
Now, do planned economies work? And does socialism or capitalism provide better standards of living?
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And more on the USSR:
>Productive forces were not organized for capital gain and private enrichment; public ownership of the means of production supplanted private ownership. It was illegal to hire others and accumulate personal wealth from their labor.
>Had the 2nd fastest growing economy of the 20th century after Japan. The USSR started out at the same level of economic development and population as Brazil in 1920, which makes comparisons to the US, an already industrialized country by the 1920s, even more spectacular.
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>Had free universal healthcare
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>Saved the world from Fascism, Taking on the majority of Nazi divisions, and killing 7 out of every 10 fascist soldier. Bore the enormous cost of blood and pain in WW2, with the bloodiest battles in the history of warfare. An estimated 70% of Soviet housing was destroyed by Nazi invasion. Nazis were in retreat after the battle of Stalingrad in 1942, a full 2 years before the US landed troops in Normandy.
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>Went from feudalism to space travel in 40 years. First satellite, rocket, space walk, woman, man, animal, space station, moon and mars probes.
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>Soviet power production per capita in 1990 was more than the EU, Great Britain, or China's in 2014.
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Ryan Thompson
>2nd fastest growing
yeah i guess if you transition to agrarian society to industrialism 100 years after everyone else did you'd have "faster growth" lmfao
Christian Johnson
>Housing was socialized by localized community organizations, and there was virtually no homelessness. Houses were often shared by two families throughout the 20s and 30s – so unlike capitalism, there were no empty houses, but the houses were very full. In the 40s there was the war, and in the 50s there were a number of orphans from the war. The mass housing projects began in the 60s, they were completed in the 70s, and by the 70s, there were homeless people, but they often had genuine issues with mental health.
When it is claimed that a system works, we should ask, who it works for. Capitalism benefits a tiny number of rapacious capitalists, to the detriment of the rest of us, while Socialism works for the masses.
Under capitalism, the capitalist class is in control, and it controls the repressive state apparatuses (RSAs) like police, army, courts, etc. and ideological state apparatuses (ISAs) like schools, entertainment, newsmedia, and so forth. It's in the CLASS INTERESTS of the bourgeoisie to convince you that socialism and communism always end in disaster, death, and misery when the reality of it is the opposite.
Learn the history as it actually happened, not through the lies and distortions that the ruling class want you to think happened.
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Julian Torres
Yeah, but what you're ignoring here is that both the USSR and the PRC industrialized in much less time than the rest of the world did. They went from semi-feudalism semi-capitalism to socialism in an impressive amount of time compared to how long the rest of the world had to go.
The USSR may have collapsed and liberalized, but China is still going strong and is preparing to soar past the United States in its economy, living standards, and general development.
Landon Foster
gonna have to go with diarrhea, had it yesterday and after squeezing it out of my ass which took 5 minutes on its own, I needed to come back to the meat aisle 10 minutes later cause I got the urge to shart again, wasn't even done shopping
Logan Clark
>falling for the “whole capitalist world was against USSR” meme
Kek. Western banks and governments were pouring money and supplies into the USSR since the day it was founded.
Noah Flores
Also, if your system is so fragile it collapses on the whim of the sanctions of foreign powers, it doesn’t work. The USSR was the worlds largest empire, with the worlds largest, most powerful military, and it still collapsed under its own weight
Hunter Gonzalez
Ypeepoo
Jaxson Hill
>Now let's take a look at what happened after the USSR collapsed (or was intentionally sabotaged by Yeltsin, revisionists, and Western subversion):
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If in deed the USSR's leaders WANTED it to fail for some stupid reason, then why the fuck would we want that system of government?
>>GDP instantly halved
Yeah, it turns out, USSR was built on exploiting the wealth of central Europe, which was why they immediately rose up and kicked the commies out as soon as they had the chance.
Jonathan Garcia
No, many countries (incl. France, Britain, US, etc.) were trying to sabotage it from day one through war and sanctions. If anything, Western capital supported fascism and the Nazi German government. You had a few presidents of the US praise Mussolini, praise Hitler, and you had US bankers and captialists funding Nazi Germany before the war (especially people like Henry Ford).
Also, the 100,000,000 number comes from an unscientific garbage excuse for historical literature called "The Black Book of Communism". It said 94,000,000 but most people round up to 100,000,000. The Black Book of Communism has been widely-debunked by proletarian historians, bourgeois historians, and even many of its original contributors have exposed its distortions and lies.
Robert Conquest, its main contributor, was a British anti-communist propagandist. That was literally his job, to push lies and distortions that made communism look bad.
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In reality, communism saved more people than it killed, and most who were killed under communism (much less than the Black Book of Communism's numbers) were either justified deaths (Nazis, traitors, landlords, etc.) or happened due to other influences incorrectly attributed to communism (famines coming from conditions during the Tsar, famines coming from kulak sabotage, etc.)
Gavin Russell
Communism was definitely financed by big bankers. Mao, for example, had ties to Rockefeller.
Jonathan Miller
Oliver Morris
>and most who were killed under communism (much less than the Black Book of Communism's numbers) were either justified deaths
"It's okay when we massacre people"
And you dumbasses think you're actually selling this idea?
Andrew Clark
It’s easy to catch up when you can steal technology
John Nguyen
Because the USSR after Stalin's death was infiltrated by Western imperialists and bourgeois revisionists who fundamentally changed the USSR's political and economic system, which led to its collapse.
Sanctions don't usually destroy socialism, no, socialism shows that it survives in spite of sanctions. But there are many other factors that lead to the destruction of socialism.
Also, sanctions kill. It's not some light alternative to war, it's literal blockade of a country's imports and exports. Millions die under fascist American sanctions. A literal war crime, just with a different name with less baggage.
Zachary Murphy
>Because the USSR after Stalin's death was infiltrated by Western imperialists and bourgeois revisionists who fundamentally changed the USSR's political and economic system, which led to its collapse.
So I guess it's a shitty, corruptable system them huh?
Oliver Cooper
Guess what, nazi Germany had the whole west (and USSR) sanctioning it too, and yet it still did much better than the USSR
Jonathan Fisher
Where’s the USSR now?
Carter Martinez
Ian Rodriguez
Jewish.
Hudson Peterson
In the garbage where it belongs
Eli Long
The sheer irony is that genuine socialism could have been accomplished by Hungary and Czechoslovakia but the USSR crushed their revolutions
Isaiah Collins
Nope, far less prone to corruption and far less corrupt than capitalist countries. However, there are still ways that corruption can take place under socialism. The only way for corruption to be 100% impossible is for class society to no longer exist (i.e. communism), where everyone's material interests align and thus there's no class conflict.
Socialist countries like China, Cuba, Vietnam, the DPRK, Laos, and so forth have learned from the mistakes and problems in the USSR (which didn't nearly outweigh the benefits and advancements) and have made applications accordingly.
Charles Morris
It's gone, but the People's Republic of China learned from the USSR's collapse and has carried on the torch of global socialism.
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Aiden Jenkins
Fuck's sake
Julian Phillips
Whats worse?
The Jewish part.
Gabriel Butler
Not really, it recovered from the Western powers' punishment (Treaty of Versailles) for German militarism and war, but later Germany fucked it up by attacking surrounding countries and engaging in massive human rights violations and genocide. It didn't even last two decades.
Jacob Price
Oh god the Chinese virus
David Jackson
>global socialism
>Internationalism
How About get fucked