There. I know you’ll still call me a Jew, but hear me out. There’s literally no good reason for a white ethnostate. What is it that binds whites together and excludes non-whites? I can’t think of a single thing.
Jews and other ethnoreligious cults have their religion, but even then Jews for example allow conversion. There are Jewish ethnonationalists, but they are a small minority. Most Jews can be adequately described as “Zionist”, which is the desire for a Jewish-qua-religion state (religiostate?). Most Zionists are proud of Jewish-qua-ancestry, but do not care for a converts race. You need look no further than the 65% miscegenation rate to see they don’t give a fuck about racial purity.
Other non-whites do have their ethnostates, but for how long and under what circumstances? The poor non-white ethnicities of the world have ethnostates via negatives — for the simply fact that no one wants to live with them (think Nigeria). The rich non-white ethnicities (think Japan and South Korea) are simply behind non-white countries by 50-100 years. They will face the same diversification as white countries had before long. There is no good reason why they should stay ethnostates either.
One great reason would be “whites are evil and whiteness needs to be eradicated.” We can just go be “evil” by ourselves and that will make everyone happy.
Christopher Perry
Not having to listen to kike dribble like this shit is a good enough reason.
Colton Johnson
If that were to happen, the new white ethnostate would not be allowed to inherit any wealth of the white race.
David Bennett
If I’m a bot, provide the 4plebs search link that proves it
Jaxon Davis
>What is it that binds whites together and excludes non-whites? I can’t think of a single thing. Culture, race, ability to form a civilization and cohesive society, ability to maintain both, ability to improve on existing conditions, general peace and order, general feeling of safety, no need for bullshit laws and welfare etc.
Normal countries have a past and a future. Mutt hellholes have neither.
Tyler Ward
Deal. You can take your jew paper and shiny rocks. We'll literally build spaceships and go colonize the galaxy while you're sitting around arguing who deserves a bigger pile of shiny rocks. Lol.
Do Chinese deserve their own nation? What about Japanese? What about Mexicans? Why is it only Whites that are evil for wanting White enclaves? If you see no point in the ethnostate, we wont force you to live there, in fact we will make sure not you or your offspring will ever be allowed in, even to visit - so whats the problem?
Jordan Wright
Seeing brown people in my daily life upsets me and many others. If we want increases social cohesion and a sense of citizenship, we need to deport all the brown people. They will never be my fellow American. That’s why they have to go: simply because we’ll never again achieve what we did when the West defended its identity. It’s not our job to babysit subhumans.
Cooper Rogers
>What is it that binds whites together and excludes non-whites?
America.
Whites in America decided to let go of their heritage and bind together as one.
Except some people decided they were better than others. Namely Jews, who decided to not bind, and instead remain outside of the so called melting pot, which only really melted together White Europeans.
Jews decided to not play by the rules and instead put their people first. "I'm not white I'm Jewish." Meanwhile they insisted that the French, German, Swedish, English, and so on all forget who they are and just become American.
Of course other groups also could not "melt" in like the blacks or Asians. They'll never be white, but even they will never assume the American identity because they will always put their tribe first and Americans as a whole last. Look at the brown invaders who wave the Mexican flag while living here illegally, they will never become like us, because they hate us.
But we still see Jews pretending to be white when they can hate on white people, while the second they are attacked for being "white" they play the Jew card.
Now Jews are trying to eradicate "whiteness" when they are the ones who helped instigate the loss of original identity. Too late fuck boys we're white now and we have white solidarity.
>Reason: race Circular logic. Why is race good? >Culture Assimilation is possible. Not a good reason unless, I would imagine, your culture were to contain a religion that prohibits the inclusion of others races. >Ability to form and maintain a civilization and cohesive society America is a cohesive society. Not sure what you mean here. Rate-limited immigration would be an effective measure against social instability. I am not taking the position of mass immigration or open borders, which I agree would/will cause social instability. >ability to improve on existing conditions See above >general peace and order, general feeling of safety, no need for bullshit laws and welfare etc. You’re talking about niggers, right? There are obvious ways to control the negro population without kicking them all out of the country. In the antebellum North, free blacks were a thing. >Normal countries have a past and a future. Mutt hellholes have neither. This is a product of a generation’s narcissism than the fact that new races are being introduced into the population. The boomer generation is almost all white and yet they are an unmoored generation for the simple fact that they don’t give a fuck about their inherited tradition (muh liberation) or their children’s inheritance (muh hands-off parenting).
Brayden Cooper
>Do Chinese deserve their own nation? Already said no in the OP.
Isaiah Myers
There's a lot that binds right wing whites together, especially in America. Only American whites need an ethnostate. Europeans and slavs already have their own countries.
Matthew Morales
>Seeing brown people in my daily life upsets me Muh fee-fees is not a *good* reason
Brody Bell
absolutely right. I am going to call you a jew. you fucking jew
Liam Jenkins
>America Interesting. To be American is to be white. Can you explain what America is, though, and why it is a virtue?
Lucas Allen
>There's a lot that binds right wing whites together, What are the things that bings whites together *to the exclusion* of non-whites?
Kevin Nguyen
>I can't think of a single thing. Nigger-tier. Opinions discarded.
Gavin Adams
>. There’s literally no good reason for a white ethnostate.
yeah, except for wanting to live in a safe, functioning, and prosperous society
Angel Perry
A state is a body politic. Therefore, an ethnostate is a body politic whose perimeter value is the preservation of an ethnic interest group.
The "white race" is a redundant phrase, as the old "race", despite what modern academic etymologists say, is the same meaning as in the phrase "tabula rasa". Race (blank, unaltered, undefiled) is a reference to this ancient group, the white people.
Before being forced to adopt foreign desert religions, the vedic faith was the way of our people, and part of that was the rita laws, specifically the laws of blood purity; against incest, which in its original meaning is impious unchastity, to mix with other groups of humans. To invoke the ways of the gray race (the Jews) as a reason to disown our own is absurd.
What makes whites different from non-whites? Blood. Genes. Soul. We are a different people, a different species. This doesn't mean by itself that we are better than other species, though that may a point of some argumentation it doesn't matter. As other species deserve to have autonomous control over the destiny of their own species, including the mixing among other species. So do we deserve to preserve our people, in honor to our ancestors who gave us our bodies we carry the gift to our progeny.
Any of our people are welcome to leave and mingle with another species, but it is not possible to truly return. Fundamentally, though we have been deprived of most of our ways, the core is written in our own bodies, our own genetics - Conscience, and honor to our Ancestors.
Aaron White
In Europe and ANZAC maybe, that's their decision to make, but the USA was built as a pan-European white nationalist state, and that was a very successful experiment.
Hudson Robinson
You need to be gassed
Caleb Hernandez
>yeah, except for wanting to live in a safe, functioning, and prosperous society See:
Dylan Fisher
>Nigger-tier. Opinions discarded. Nigger-tier. Opinion about my opinions discarded.
Connor Green
Germany for germany, france for france, israel for israel. Either this or open borders for israel.
basically this. Whites build things, non-whites destroy. look at the roads and bridges built in Africa. Did they maintain them? how about expanding the system? no. they let it crumble, and then use poles and ropes to cross what was once a beautiful bridge. Non-whites can have everything that is. but they forefeit any right to what we build this time. Let them live in the shadow of the old world, and we'll build anew.
>To be American is to be white. yes. >Can you explain what America is, though, and why it is a virtue? what it was. past tense. what it is now, is a mess. in a multicultural society, people don't vote ideologically, they vote racially. That's why franchise is pointless, in the current paradigm.
Don’t you ever use our symbol again you fucking disgusting kike
Robert Lee
And in the meantime we can open a weed store and rent to own car rims shop and get our wealth backs anyways.
Anthony Miller
>What is it that binds whites together and excludes non-whites? I can’t think of a single thing. If you have to ask, you're not white.
Jose Thomas
Jew
William Gutierrez
use it as an opportunity, user. You're not really arguing with a retard, you're enlightening lurkers. and maybe in some small way, you might shift the opinion of whatever journalist is trolling for gotcha moments this week.
James Adams
>Hear me out No.
Josiah Thomas
>A state is a body politic. Therefore, an ethnostate is a body politic whose perimeter value is the preservation of an ethnic interest group. Thanks for the definitions, but you need to explain why an ethnostate is a good thing. >As other species deserve to have autonomous control over the destiny of their own species, including the mixing among other species. At least you’re consistent. Btw, I’m just going to interpret “species” as race here. You still need to explain why it is good for a race “deserves to have autonomous control over the destiny of their own [race]”. No, it is not self-evident. You need to justify this ethos.
Ryan Miller
It’s not “muh fee fees.” Seeing brown people causes Europeans such physical and mental distress that it prevents our countries from being productive. Every unemployed white person is an immigration policy mistake.
Jonathan Roberts
Race is like family and should always receive special treatment
Camden Jackson
>The rich non-white ethnicities (think Japan and South Korea) are simply behind non-white countries by 50-100 years. They will face the same diversification as white countries had before long This is a prophecy, not an justification. What you need to convince people of is, if this happens, will their societies improve or deteriorate. If the trajectory of the west is anything to go by, the expectation should be the latter.
Intelligent people chose intelligent partners. Attractive people chose attractive partners. Impulsive people chose impulsive partners. Etc, etc. Racial divergence is inevitable. The beige horizon is not only wrong, it's as optimally wrong as it is possible to be. The future will be even more races, and even more specialized races, and those which are incompatible will avoid associating with one another just like how autists and dudebros and niggers all avoid one another today. The only thing accomplished by rejecting ethnostates is the rejection of being able to honestly reason about the state of reality. You aren't advocating that we change reality, only that we make the same reality more difficult to navigate. It looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, yet you insist that we call it a typewriter because because it offends your ancient Jewish fairytale derived morality, just like how so much potential pre WW2 was unrealised due to their different (although it's basically a find and replace) Jewish fairytale derived morality.
Hunter Baker
>race >species this is day one stuff. You're a journo fishing for some story.
"white ethnostate" would be like america without niggers. no single ethnicity multiethnic shithole, everyone looks different, ugly mixed mutts, no unity, no culture. Those who have ethnic identity and are bigger in numbers will stomp out the rest little ethnicities. Then the niggers will be other whites. In the end you will be a person with 5% genes of each ethnicity from Europe, such a mutt. Failure concept
Eli Wood
Why is it good to allow others to soak the rewards an endemic group has reaped? Justify your reasoning for mixing. Btw you're advocating a position similar to saying you don't get to decide who comes into your house, since you're trying to deny a group to the right of exclusion
Matthew Parker
>Race is like family and should always receive special treatment >One race the human race I think this argumentum ad familia we hear so often from ethnonationalists is made in bad faith, as if a household can be extended to a nation, or even a community. It can’t. A household differs by kind, not degree, to a nation. A household is the union of man and women in marriage, with their children who depend on them for care. The principle of marriage and child rearing can’t be extended to the public relation between citizens.
Alexander Flores
Fuck off kike. We should have holohoxed you as claimed. Your comment proves the very reason we are pleaded guilty for killing you fucks off.
Race can be defined as a subspecies, sure. But niggers breed with whites all the time. They are the same species by definition. This is day one stuff.
Liam Diaz
>people are different, therefore they should be separate That’s really your argument? Lmfao holy shit so many words, so little argumentation.
Adrian Thompson
Here he is, right on schedule: A European peasant calling purely European people “mutt” when they have a pan-European makeup, totally oblivious to the fact that Europe’s rulers and nobility have always intermarried. Purely white Americans are the apex of Western civilization.
Jaxson Reed
Why not? civilization lives or dies by the "fee-fees" of the population.
Parker Wood
>Justify your reasoning for mixing. People from different races can love one another. > similar to saying you don't get to decide who comes into your house I addressed the argumentum ad familia here
Connor Rivera
>That’s really your argument? Lmfao holy shit so many words, so little argumentation. As if niggers who both act and look so different fit into white societies.
Luke Rivera
Võta oma rohud ära, Dima
Colton Moore
you didn't really address it, you just slapped a latin label on it and asserted the ridiculous notion that family can't be extended to community.
Austin Johnson
jew boy has nothing smart to say about the subhumanness of this story.
Easton Clark
Ok, so now we’re talking about the feelings of the white population as a whole? Sure, let’s take a poll. I’m sure everyone agrees with the anonymous shitposters who I originally responded to... >inb4 we have been socially conditioning Yeah, we’ve been socially conditioned to make us feel better about non-whites. Problem solved, then, right? We’ve also been socially conditioned to use forks and knives when eating. Social conditioning is not inherently a bad thing.
Owen Reyes
We won't need an ethnostate once the non-whites are removed.
"purely European" doesnt say anything. The genetic differences are so big on this continent and you are no better than race mixers if you shill for ethnic mixing. Kill yourself rootless amerimutt immigrant.
Zachary Ward
Okay? Not all people want to mix. Suggesting an option for both would be a decent pathway to go down. And you didn't really address it well, and only works if you see a country as an economic powerhouse and not a nation of unified people working for the well-being of one another. Also that still denies the right to exclusion >Hey we don't like where the west is going I want to set up shop with my own people and do our thing >No you MUST accept brown people even if you don't want to
Brayden Turner
Hahahahahaha fuck off peasant.
Robert Hill
I deserves a label because I hear it so so much in these circles. Private relations between man, woman, and child cannot he extended to the public relations between citizens without a massively totalitarian Plato’s-Republic-style regime even the most ardent Italian fascist would find squeamish. It’s made in bad faith.
Jaxson Baker
Whites in general have a sense of civic duty that allows them to build high trust societies. Jews and mud people are only interested in what they can take from our societies. Voting records are a great indicator there.
Camden Perry
You are eintentionally mixing up kings and lords that intermarried european wide with the average citizen of a european country. Your conclusion following your argumental line is deeply false, since this never happened on a larger scale among the average person.
And then we have to make clear that americans ave an entirely different opinion about what white people are. You even count dark skinned mexicans and puerto ricans as whites (caucasians) which we don't do.
Carter Ward
>Yeah, we’ve been socially conditioned to make us feel better about non-whites no, we've been socially conditioned to suppress negative feelings toward nonwhites and self-flagellate when they surface. >Social conditioning is not inherently a bad thing. I agree, it's not inherently good either.
Michael Green
Nobody wants "white ethnostate" other than white rootless immigrant colonizer population in Australia, New Zealand, USA. You have no ethnic identity. You only think of races, when people in Europe think of ethnicities.
Owen Ortiz
You fucking idiot, there's a very good reason: so white retards can go live by themselves and fuck each other. Just set aside a bunch of game reserves all over the world so people who want to be genetically affine can do so while the rest of us get on with life.
Carson Lewis
Have you never heard of the concept of extended family? It is literally an extension of family to community. You are arguing in bad faith.
Leo Rogers
In the here and now, maybe. The problem lies in the bigger picture. Certain kinds of blacks breed more than others, and when they mix with whites, it tends to be with the most niggerlike whites. The result is that nigger phenotypes spread, and displace those of other blacks, and as they do so, blacks as a whole diverge even further from whites, even if they are mixing with whites, because by removing all the niggerlike whites from the white breeding pool, they are actually changing the genetic trajectory of whites aswell. Add on to this that the social environments that select for nigger traits in blacks also seem to be selecting for autistic traits in whites, and we have even greater divergence. In the here and now they might be the same species, but if the divergent trajectory persists, it wont be this way forever, and people more concerned with the long term are going to be aware of this.
Colton Brown
This may be true, and you’re Estonian, so you need not opine on people you don’t understand. We were founded as a pan European state and only through jewish subversion did that change at all.
Joseph Ortiz
Yea no shit they think in a pan European sense, Europeans as a collective are being eroded in America.
Jack Nelson
>Not all people want to mix This is circular. I ask for a good reason to desire racial purity, and all I get it “because we wants it” my precious... This exposes the irrationality of your position.
Lucas Turner
this!!!! Americans don't have a realistic grasp on what a nation is and what it means to be part of this society/nation based on race. An racial ethnostate is a very alien thing for americans, since they have always been lured into believing that civic nationalism and it's racial inclusive priciples are a good thing. But we can see this concept failing right now.
Tyler Powell
Bull shit. You do not treat yourself fellow whites as members of your family. If you would, I would see a lot more pro-white charities than I actually do, which are zero.
Gavin Hall
That isn’t correct. I am, for example, ethnically French and was brought up in a French household eating French meals and celebrating with French traditions with my French grandmother from Lyon. Other Europeans are still more compatible with a productive society than any form of brown person. The fact that you cannot see the necessity of European solidarity in a global world makes me think you’re either brown yourself or are purposefully trying to downplay the fact that ethnicities have most in common with their racial group.
Joseph Cook
You’re explaining genetic drift. Ok we get it. Right now, all races are within the same species though.
You’re not white or a race mixer if you can’t fathom why a people would want to remain a people. Why should we all turn into a shit colored blob? I love my people and want my people to prosper. This isn’t possible with your kind around.
Juan Wilson
Fuck off. American whites are now their own nation. We have a very, very good grasp on who we are. We invented the suburban 50s American dream, wrote the constitution, and fostered the ideal values of this country. We know who we are.
Justin Phillips
If you want a rational reason read up on the alternative hypothesis website or Sean lasts website. They both run the numbers and clearly come out with data that suggests non-whites are an overall massive detriment to the system, and that America would probably be more scientifically advanced without blacks
Owen Anderson
That’s not allowed, you disingenuous pos.
Ryan Reed
>Why should we all turn into a shit colored blob? Sounds like you just don’t like the color brown on people’s skin. Is that your reason for an ethnostate?
Angel Peterson
I know user. It's just a meme. I hate other Whites just as much as everyone else. I'm really just misanthropic. It's just funny to spread it & cause chaos when it triggers normies. But IDGAF at all.
Andrew Perry
Yes. What you are advocating is that orcas and camels either both live in the ocean, or both live in the desert. What I'm advocating is that orcas live in the ocean and camels live in the desert. If you have a universal environment, but people adapted to different environments, you have war, as if there can only be one environment, everyone must compete so that that environment is the one they are adapted to. The political class love this, as they are the providers of representation, therefore all this competition is to earn their favour.
Tyler Garcia
>Right now Some people are actually concerned about the future.
