/TKG/ - Ted Kaczynski General #6

>literally a Virgin
Yeah what a genius

Post Ted's Yas Forums letter where he gives advice on physical health and discipline

Bump love me some 2pm TKG.

Tech IS the problem

>believing sticking your weiner inside some one for a little while is actually relevant to anything at all except for muh pleasure and muh body

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Paragraphs 24 & 27 explained [pic related] 30 years ago
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Psychologists use the term “socialization” to designate the process by which children are trained to think and act as society demands. A person is said to be well socialized if he believes in and obeys the moral code of his society and fits in well as a functioning part of that society. It may seem senseless to say that many leftists are over-socialized, since the leftist is perceived as a rebel. Nevertheless, the position can be defended. Many leftists are not such rebels as they seem.
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We argue that a very important and influential segment of the modern left is oversocialized and that their oversocialization is of great importance in determining the direction of modern leftism. Leftists of the oversocialized type tend to be intellectuals or members of the upper-middle class. Notice that university intellectuals [3] constitute the most highly socialized segment of our society and also the most leftwing segment.

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Have you been adding questions or where are we heading?

Don't have it sorry!

The modern world robs people of their opportunity to go through the "Power Process"
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Human beings have a need (probably based in biology) for something that we will call the power process. This is closely related to the need for power (which is widely recognized) but is not quite the same thing. The power process has four elements. The three most clearcut of these we call goal, effort and attainment of goal. (Everyone needs to have goals whose attainment requires effort, and needs to succeed in attaining at least some of his goals.)

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Those who are most sensitive about “politically incorrect” terminology are not the average black ghetto dweller, Asian immigrant, abused woman or disabled person, but a minority of activists, many of whom do not even belong to any “oppressed” group but come from privileged strata of society. Political correctness has its stronghold among university professors, who have secure employment with comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual white males from middle- to upper-middle-class families.

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user, in ISAIF Ted speaks specifically about '' 'good' individual technologies
vs. the technological complex as a whole'' (paraphrasing here), specifically in the sense that virtually all technical developments ON THEIR OWN can be construed as beneficial, but the technological complex taken AS A WHOLE is shite.

Do you know in which paragraph(s) exactly he addresses this issue....?
Looked for it but could't find it.
Am 100% sure it's in there, have re-read ISAIF for the millionth time just a couple of months ago and remember coming across it, but can't find it now....

Ted's work really got it all covered. This man is based beyond all measures.

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It is sad how bad he aged. He looked like a gigachad in his youth, but in his old age he looked like fucking McCulkin.

Let that be a fucking lesson to all of you. As you grow older, be neither fat nor scrawny. Be fit. Be muscular. Even 60 year olds can look nice, but not if they neglect themselves from 40-60.

I've always wondered why Uncle Ted didn't select better targets. For example, the small businessman with the computer store. Perhaps a target higher up the computer chain would have been more appropriate.

Ted has been physically active all throughout his life though?

I think you mistake his unkept beard, hair and those badly fitting prison clothes for something else. He looks handsome when he wants.

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Sorry to keep you waiting.

Yes, added just two questions for now, one of them the whole human environment vs. nature false dichotomy that previously came up in previous threads, (can't find the answer yet in previous threads, know it is there somewhere), and another question the false dichotomy between capitalism/communism in the face of technology, which is a more ellulian concept than directly Ted-related, however really feel it's important to deal with the whole 'muh crapitalism is bad/muh gommunism is bad' thing; Ellul dismantles it like a boss, basically over-simplyfing here, but basically they are two sides to the same coin in the context of tech society, very much as expected.

>where are we heading?

Don't worry, all replies to the questions come from previous threads, (also included UK Tedposter's reply regarding muh Jews) except where no replies were given yet, for example the following questions.

14. Why would almost all humans almost unanimously accept and even be very happy with tech-civ if it were ultimately destructive to humanity?

15. OK, but am a hedonistic individualist! Plus, human beans recycle!!!! Don't you recycle to save the planet you ingrate???

Have composed replies to these two, (and a refined a couple of others) -- up for review by other anons of course.

Ok I give you that.

Yeah, it is a mystery. Almost any other target would have been more ''sympathetic'' to many. Ted may never reveal his target selection because I don't think he has ever admitted to doing any of the bombings in front of court. The information will likely go to the grave with him.

It's an easy mistake to make: all the most popular pictures of him show him as an unkept madman.

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Here's my in-progress model of human societies and their fate.

There are two major concepts at play here - Life and Death. This is very intuitive, since evolutionary history is than a struggle to perpetuate one's genes, where the maladaptive survival strategies die out. With humans in particular, this duality extends to long-term planning vs. short-term planning. So, it's Order vs. Chaos, Temperance vs. Hedonism, Ant vs. Grasshopper, God vs. Lucifer, Brain vs. Genitals, Right-wing vs. Left-wing, and so on.

With regards to this political divide, not only is it useful to remember that the Left is an entropic principle that degenerates the Right over time (note how for centuries now, the Right wing keeps getting more and more "diluted" due to the Overton Window moving to the Left), but it's worth noticing the fundamental divide in worldview between these two factions; the Left sees the smallest unit of society as an Atom (Individual), while the Right sees it as a Molecule (Family).

The Left's atomized view of society is present in all its discourse. What is Communism if not an anti-hierarchical idea where each individual should be treated the same? The modern Left's condemnation of Capitalism ironically works in Capitalism's favor (see The System's Neatest Trick by Kaczynski), revealing that Communism and Capitalism are two sides of the same coin. Today's Left wing would never exist without Capitalism, and this is precisely the reason why they fight for women to work (thus bringing wages down) and then importing immigrants to bring the wages down further and replace the native population. This system is naturally unsustainable and it'll collapse catastrophically.

The Right's perception of the Family as the smallest unit is more intuitive since a country is nothing more than a macro-representation of people with the same language, race, culture and religion (to base a nation off an Individual would be to base it on nothing).

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Ted is the most based person to ever exist, followed by glorious Julius Evola. +1 Tedscore for Tedposting

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This is where Spengler kicks in, with his "four seasons" civilizational model (Unwin and the Hindus had similar models) - at one point, urbanism starts gaining dominance over the rural life. Once that happens, the "Autumn" starts. But this civilization will be fucked far harder than the previous ones, since our Autumn moment - the Industrial Revolution - was far more destructive and significant than any other prior event.

The end goal of both Technology and Leftism is Transhumanism - the endpoint of Luciferianism (why do you think Jobs and Wozniak named their company Apple? ;)). The ancient myth of the Garden of Eden is, among other things, a metaphor for what happens when humanity starts to chase our lower natures. Lucifer is represented as a snake because snakes are forever bound to the ground (unable to transcend the Earth) and because they emblemize our reptile brain.
Note how Leftist media often has Luciferian values. The Industrial Revolution was the point where centuries-old religious, tight-knit, chaste rural lifestyle finally imploded and instead it was replaced by alienated, urban capitalist surroundings. Capitalism more than any other system suits rampant technological growth because it is the political embodiment of unending materialistic, hedonistic thirst for more profit.

No one alive today knows what it means to be God-fearing because no one anymore knows what it means to be Nature-fearing. Humans used to be subordinate to Nature, but now, Nature is subordinate to Humans.

Further inventions, such as the Pill, have further transformed people into short-sighted pleasure seekers and materialists. Sexual laxity and perversions, social isolation, ethnomasochism, atheism, etc., have always been symptoms of a society in decay, but this process is today amplified by the horrendously centralized global technological Machine which exerts a pressure of its own on us.

Ted's thought fits stunningly well with the general Traditionalist view.

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we.riseup.net/assets/389236/Kaczynski+Anti-Tech+Revolution+Why+and+How.pdf

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Thanks for the update.

Remember to upload the text in a pastebin or somewhere at some point, I could try answering one or two questions tonight. Maybe even work on the questions themselves to make them look earnest; nobody wants their argument to be represented as a straw-man.

>This is very intuitive, since evolutionary history is than a struggle to perpetuate one's genes, where the maladaptive survival strategies die out

Not sure what you mean by this, clarify please?

Maybe owning a computer store was a bigger deal back in the day.

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the ultimate redpill. thank you

You can see this going on today. Excessive technological growth leads to rise in living standard which fosters bugmen and loose women - here you can see all possible dysgenic acts that previous generations warned of: sexual laxity, atheism, open borders (or ethnomasochism, rather), etc.
These people also have the least children.
Meanwhile, the most fruitiful peoples are the Third-Worlders who live in shit conditions, under patriarchal rule. They're also more religious, more ethnocentric, etc. etc. And they'll replace the white First-Worlders the way things are going. That is, if they survive the global collapse.

So, this may be an indication that technological growth is maladaptive.

Ok i've seen a tendency in these threads and let me tell you something.

You sometimes behave like anarcho-primitivists that Ted was talking about. Some of you, when confronted with an argument against pre-industrial societies do mental gymnastics just to refute this argument no matter how absurd the response is.

No matter what drawback of pre-industrial societies a person brings, you try-hard to refute his point in a way that to new-comers you sound like another utopians dreaming about society without cons.

For example in previous threads when one guy confronted you about high infant mortality of pre-industial societies, you instead of admitting it, were tryharding to make a response to him only to persuade him that your ideal form of society doesnt have any drawbacks

To be honest to persuade people, and especially rational ones you have to SOMETIMES admit that your form of society has SOME drawbacks. Instead what you say seems suspicious because you sound like another utopia proponents.

I agree with you that Ted was right but we must be clear that preindustrial societies had some obvious drawbacks like lack of healthcare or hight infant mortality rates.
And we are not advocating for lack of these drawbacks but that the pros of preindustrial societies definitely outweigh the cons.

Aside for that, I really support what you are doing, and hope that these threads will stay regular

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>Julius Evola

Because of all of you faggots, finally went out and bought the only copy in Spanish of an Evola book to be found in my shithole flag-related country, 'Ride the Tiger'. Have since been struggling with it to the point of abandoning it temporarily.

Please user, QRD -or something- on Evola...?

Something to help a brainlet to get thru 'Ride the Tiger' specifically as a first read? Maybe am brainlet, but still smart enough to realize it is a valuable book; got about one third of the way thru it, but what the fuck, very difficult.......

Now THIS is effort posting!

True and good conclusion
>Ted's thought fits stunningly well with the general Traditionalist view.

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wow

top kek

words hurt more than bullets. these boomers need to go back to facebook with their memes

Ted was an identical twin, something Harvard have successfully scrubbed off the web but perhaps not waybackmachine. His brother Sullivan Kaczynski studied jet proopulsion and engineering with CalTech while Ted was in Harvard.

I have no doubt Sullivan is the guilty one and he and David have a lot of explaining to do in the framing of their brother Theodore.

Still on tinder, either way, both are trash

Love me some TKG.

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You what

Based and redpilled, yeah there's many dichotomies that can be analyzed like also order and chaos. Leftism promotes chaos by importing in a limited space people with different racial, cultural and ideological backgrounds, plus promoting non natural practices like transgenderism.

Yeah I know.

To add to the idea of spirituality resulting from living in wild nature, there's of course a relevant Ted quote, where he explains that during his life in the wilderness he spontaneously came up with personal gods.
>“This is kind of personal,” [Ted] begins by saying, and I ask if he wants me to turn off the tape. He says “no, I can tell you about it. While I was living in the woods I sort of invented some gods for myself” and he laughs. “Not that I believed in these things intellectually, but they were ideas that sort of corresponded with some of the feelings I had. I think the first one I invented was Grandfather Rabbit. You know the snowshoe rabbits were my main source of meat during the winters. I had spent a lot of time learning what they do and following their tracks all around before I could get close enough to shoot them. Sometimes you would track a rabbit around and around and then the tracks disappear. You can’t figure out where that rabbit went and lose the trail. I invented a myth for myself, that this was the Grandfather Rabbit, the grandfather who was responsible for the existence of all other rabbits. He was able to disappear, that is why you couldn’t catch him and why you would never see him... Every time I shot a snowshoe rabbit, I would always say ‘thank you Grandfather Rabbit.’ After a while I acquired an urge to draw snowshoe rabbits. I sort of got involved with them to the extent that they would occupy a great deal of my thought. I actually did have a wooden object that, among other things, I carved a snowshoe rabbit in. I planned to do a better one, just for the snowshoe rabbits, but I never did get it done. There was another one that I sometimes called the Will ‘o the Wisp, or the wings of the morning. That’s when you go out in to the hills in the morning and you just feel drawn to go on and on and on and on, then you are following the wisp. That was another god that I invented for myself.”
(cont. in next post)

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>So Ted Kaczynski, living out in the wilderness, like generations of prehistoric peoples before him, had innocently rediscovered the forest’s gods. I wondered if he felt that those gods had forsaken him now as he sat facing life in prison with no more freedom, no more connection to the wild, nothing left of that life that was so important to him except for his sincere love of nature, his love of knowledge and his commitment to the revolutionary project of hastening the collapse of the techno-industrial system. I asked if he was afraid of losing his mind, if the circumstances he found himself in now would break his spirit? He answered, “No, what worries me is that I might in a sense adapt to this environment and come to be comfortable here and not resent it anymore. And I am afraid that as the years go by that I may forget, I may begin to lose my memories of the mountains and the woods and that’s what really worries me, that I might lose those memories, and lose that sense of contact with wild nature in general. But I am not afraid they are going to break my spirit.”

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No need to be anarcho-primitivist, just to put a limit to a technological explosion that enslaves man, causes conflicts and destroys the planet.

Stupid Ted. He didn't invent the Pookha

read the post again

based as fuck

huh? what?

>No one alive today knows what it means to be God-fearing because no one anymore knows what it means to be Nature-fearing.

Pffffff, wheeew lad, hope that phrase is yours, it condenses much other lofty writing on this matter into one simple and elegant phrase.

> Capitalism more than any other system suits rampant technological growth because it is the political embodiment of unending materialistic, hedonistic thirst for more profit.

Have to partially disagree with you here, but your point is nonetheless well taken. Within the broader context of technological civilization, Communism, -with its central planning-, is SUPERFICIALLY and ON THE FACE OF IT a superior system to Capitalism, precisely because it allegedly tends to socialize profit, thus making tech-civ all the more efficient. That is in theory; however in practice, the self-organizing nature of technology as a parasitical entity actually thrives best within Western Capitalism, tempered, kept in check and bolstered where needed by the appropriate hedonistic/individualist propaganda of consumer-directed degeneracy.

Wonderful essay you have shared with anons.

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Beautiful man. Where are these from? I'm presuming the transcripts of the interviews, if so, i'll definitely be reading them.
>No, what worries me is that I might in a sense adapt to this environment and come to be comfortable here and not resent it anymore. And I am afraid that as the years go by that I may forget, I may begin to lose my memories of the mountains and the woods and that’s what really worries me, that I might lose those memories, and lose that sense of contact with wild nature in general. But I am not afraid they are going to break my spirit.”
Fucking based, praise him.

This post: was making a point about how this group is starting to operate like a leftist organization based on some comments from the last thread.

>Pffffff, wheeew lad, hope that phrase is yours
Yeah it's mine, though I remember Spengler saying something vaguely similar when he wrote about declining birthrates in urban settings
>theanarchistlibrary.org/library/theresa-kintz-interview-with-ted-kaczynski

Not only, I was answering to this:
>You sometimes behave like anarcho-primitivists that Ted was talking about. Some of you, when confronted with an argument against pre-industrial societies do mental gymnastics just to refute this argument no matter how absurd the response is.

So please don't be retarded. Please.

Good. Reread that sentence you quoted again.

I made a point against pre-industrial societies and full blown anarcho-primitivism... I'm against them.
user was saying that many people in these threads are anarcho primitivists and behave like utopians.

Hi, it's me.
I was thinking about this whole thing, currently trying to out some puzzle pieces together. Mainly:
what to do after FAQ? I don't think arguments themselves convince that many people, only those, who want to be convinced.

I think the problem with many people is, that they've gotten so used to the system, they don't even notice the bad signs. This is where we should charge in.

Or sometimes behave like anarcho-primitivists to be exact.

I just want to live like Uncle Ted.

I read Revolt Against the Modern World and aside from some key points I really don’t see what all the fuss is about. To summarize, traditional societies used superstition and ritual to give people a complete and shared world view that made their cultures stronger. We don’t do that now and that’s why people seem so confused and can’t agree on values anymore. I mean I agree with the point he’s making, but it didn’t blow my mind like I thought it would.

>only to persuade him that your ideal form of society doesnt have any drawbacks
Total strawman and this isn't something that anyone claims. The thing is, what is the alternative? Technology is DISPLACING humanity. Yeah I wouldn't mind a Star Trek utopia where I and my children could do whatever but that's not realistic.