Can we have a discussion about freedom of speech in Europe? I literally don't care about Holocaust, but if someone want to deny it, it's an opinion. And an opinion is not true nor false. It's an opinion. So how comes pic related?
>The Italian parliament, extending an anti-racism law from 1975, approved Law 16 June 2016 n. 115, criminalizing the spreading of Holocaust denial and making conviction for the crime subject to imprisonment for two to six years.
>And an opinion is not true nor false
>deny the holocaust happend
>want to genocide Jews anywy if given the opportunity
I wonder why they want to put you schizos in jail
I am part jew myself you subhuman slav. I am skeptical of European way of dealing with freedom of expression.
There's a difference between free speech and crossing the line into hate speech. Free speech should not give anybody ground to deny horrible historical events such as the Holocaust. If you exercise this as free speech you take another freedom away.
>Can we have a discussion about freedom of speech in Europe?
There isn't any.
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Checks out commie. Imagine beign offended by some words. As the saying goes, commies aren't humans.
Also, tell me how should define what's hate speech and what's not hate speech? I wonder what would happen when the majority consider hate your rethoric. Will you go muh freedom of speech then?
>Also, tell me how should define what's hate speech and what's not hate speech?
Denying Should Be Illegal. The holocaust was documented through history. Has been proven and shown evidence that the massive extermination of Jews in 1933 through 1945 did happen, during world war II. Why deny such massive event when all of the evidence is there? That just shows racism and disrespect towards the Jews. Even though that was a cruel tragedy, we are humans and should be equal, and should not let history be denied by ignorant people.
So, if someone deny the heliocentric model, should them be fined/jailed?
dude are you just pretenting to be dumb or are you realy a brainlet nazi? You are comparing two whole diffrent things.
Whatever. When a commie can't resort to empathy, it starts to call others dumb. Remember to pay my father the rent next week you poor faggot leftist.
Mr. USSR, tell me about communism death toll. Tell me about their atrocious crimes. Wasn't it real communism?
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negro di merda
You are confusing Communism with Socialism and Authoritarianism. I do not know why, but whenever you talk about communism, you always look at and refer to the Soviet Union, and Stalin. But you make a big mistake: The Soviet Union, it was called (by the full name) Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, SOCIALIST, the name never included communism. Besides, if you think that looking at China or Cuba, maybe at North Korea and saying that they are examples of communism, you again make a very big mistake. North Korea if it is complete authoritarianism, and China and Cuba, are socialists. The reality is that there has never been a true government or country that has been a communist in its history.
Shut up commie bastard, in a world of free speech there's no such thing as "hate speech". That's just a word you commie retards use for facts that you don't like.
>it was not real gommunism
Kek! Expected as always. Why commies are such brainlets? Bernie didn't share his jizz this month. Are you mad?
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Free speech does not give you the right to say anything. For instance, you cannot shout bomb in an airport.
Was you mother shared? Are you sure of your father? Or did he go to buy some cigarettes and he's taking quite a bit?
Both deniers and kikes should be curbstopmed.
The only redpill position in regards to holocaust is that it doesnt matter and nobody should care about it.
Saying theres a bomb is not some retarded "emotion speech". Its a terrorist thread you spastic.
Of course you can, it would just end very badly for you. In your example you would be arrested for causing panic, not for "hate speech".
Not surprised that you're bad with arguments, you're a leftist afterall.
If people deny the holocaust, Its very likely that people in history might repeat the mistake made by the Germans. So yes it should be illegal.
Our "holocaust denial" law is actually a "protection of history" law, which forbids twisting of of official version of history of our country
It was made because libfaggots tried to spread their self-hate into past events and claim shit like "we should have been conquered by X since they were good while we were bad", nazis are one such X, so denial of their crimes is officially forbidden, and since holocaust is one of those its forbidden to deny it too
Why people call it "holocaust denial law" when holocaust isnt even a secondary, but tertiary issue(main issue is libfaggots smearing our history, secondary issue is libfaggots bleaching our historic enemies with the purpose of smearing our culture, and tertiary issue is denying some specific facts about those enemies to bleach them, for example holocaust)
How about if people deny the holocaust you show them undoubtfull proof that it was indeed real, and when you are countered with doubt you expel that doubt with other counter-arguments.
Oh, of course, you can't.
Good point.
>saying picrelated didn't happen is against the law
All you need to turn someone from somewhat right-wing normie into a full blown NatSoc desu.
Its racial discrimination against millions of people who lost their lives. It's not a lie, Germany admitted it. Supporting Holocaust denial can cause a domino effect leading to another hatred genocide.
>it's truuuu because we said it's truuu
>it's all well documented and 100% legit
3 times more civilian russians had died by german hand than kikes. Any faggot who even mentions holocaust should be curbstomped.
> undeniable evidence
Censoring never stops. Don't give in
And more russian civilians had died from the hands of soviets than from germans
Prove it. Also, i'm not denying it or anything because I never looked into the subject, my point is just that if you say "It's true because someone said so and it's illegal for you to think otherwise" you'll get the contrary effect of what you desire.
Truly a timeless classic indeed
No. At the moment you can deny the Holocaust without judicial problems
Yes, we can deny holocaust
kek
as long as I say it's for, uh, "educational and comedy" it's all good here :^)
also, if I can actually prove that what I say is correct, even if anti-semitic or racist, it's all good aswell
The sad thing about all this is that "free speech" as a concept, which is a basic human right, does not even leave any room for discussion. It is by definition only free if you are really free to say what you want without having to fear prosecution, and this is simply not the case in most European nations. The thing that angers me the most is the fact that people still use the term free speech daily, discussing where it should end, where its limits are, etc., thus bastardizing a concept, which is, by itself, completely unambiguous. IF YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF THESE QUESTIONS IT IS NOT FREE SPEECH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, it is something entirely different.
There needs to be laws about death threats, terrorism and defamation.
>death threats, terrorism and defamation
Different concepts, even if strictly related. But at this point, what about (inb4 whataboutism) fervent Muslims coming into Europe? Their ideology doesn't shy for being peaceful.
yes millions
>IF YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF THESE QUESTIONS IT IS NOT FREE SPEECH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, it is something entirely different.
what is it? i agree with but i want you to elaborate
>shy
*shine
We live in a leftist dictatorship pastabro. We need to abolish the "crime" of fascism's apology, the Scelba law and Mancino law. But here we are, under home arrest, doing nothing even for our freedom to go outside and work. This land is damned and will not survive. We can only escape this horrible, horrible communist in disguise country.
I agre fratello. Discussions are useless with the other side, since they'll go ree. Everything is arbitrary in our law. And if you dig deeper you'll find out that Scelba + Mancino are only the tip of the iceberg. Search about last years dispositions about hate speech in Italy.
The good thing about this whole shit is how it brings more and more to light, if it was ever necessary, the schizofrenia and mental illness of liberalism as it exists nowadays, trying to slime their way around it making up shit like "hate speech" while still trying to sound "freedom" loving.
Unironically, if they simply dropped the façade and said: "ok, free speech is a bad idea, you are not allowed to say certain things" they'd at least appear sincere for once.
>Liberal institutions cease to be liberal as soon as they are attained: later on, there are no worse and no more thorough injurers of freedom than liberal institutions. Their effects are known well enough: they undermine the will to power; they level mountain and valley, and call that morality; they make men small, cowardly, and hedonistic -- every time it is the herd animal that triumphs with them. Liberalism: in other words, herd-animalization
When partisan banned the Fascist Party after the war, they didn't even realize that they did a fascist thing.