Don't strategy videogames promote communism? They're basically games in which the society is totalitarian, you the player control every action of the units, but most importantly you also have total control of the economy. You control what is built, what is researched, control all industry, direct economic policy in more complex games, and all resources get back to you. So don't people who play these games for a long time develop a warped perception of the economy, thinking that it's a command economy, rather than a capitalist one? There really is no private ownership, capital or investment of capital in these games, you as the player have everything and control everything. It's implied there's some social stratification based on units' roles but this stratification exists in communist societies as well.
Don't strategy videogames promote communism? They're basically games in which the society is totalitarian...
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The game distand worlds did a cool thing where there was a civilian economy you could control. Stellaris had similar mods like that early on
>So don't people who play these games for a long time develop a warped perception of the economy, thinking that it's a command economy, rather than a capitalist one?
No because video games aren't real life faggot
closer to feudalism, but ok retard
Read a book or go outside nerd.
You are reading too deeply into this shit, which indicates you don't have anything other than video games to fill you life with.
They're highly abstracted games, retard.
Not really
>did video games warp thinking towards X
everyone who tries to prove a claim like this comes up empty-handed. learn from their mistakes. certain video games train certain skills, that's the only verifiable claim that has been made about them since pong came out. ideology comes from lived experience.
What, does that mean I can't destroy a stone castle by sticking a sword in it five hundred times?
Yeah but you can't help but think that they warp the psychology of the player in a way that they walk away thinking the economy works like that, especially if they're young. It engenders a certain mindset, a certain way of looking at things.
"Ok we need more wood, build a lumber camp. Now research gunpowder." Real life isn't like that, govt doesn't say "Ok now we need a search engine, go build Google". Nor does the govt give you money if you do want to build it, you have to either acquire your own capital or get somebody else's.
I think they've been asking the wrong question though. And yes I do think that because FPSes are basically murder simulators they do give you mental scripts into predispose you to certain types of thinking, if it happens with everything else you learn and do why not videogames? There's a reason why America's Army was released, don't be a cuck and think about how they're using you. You rail against all other types of degeneracy but when it comes to your precious vidya gaymez and anime and porn you defend it because you enjoy it, you hypocrite.
And going back to the wrong question, most of the focus has been on whether videogames cause violence and school shootings, but there could be other ways it influences thinking, like with this. I don't think anyone here really understands what a cap table is, least of all from videogames, but we all have some understanding the spirit of a command economy.
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if ya think about it deeply even the game Chess promotes a totalitarian mindset!
No but you learn to understand jews better.
>most importantly you also have total control of the economy.
Is that why units COST something?
that's not fucking communist at all
Chess is more a tactical simulation though, in that case it's OK because the player is a general leading his troops, chess doesn't really have an economy component
because what you "learn" from an FPS is hand-eye coordination. not murderousness. people have done studies, some asshole even lost his legal license over it here when we wouldn't stop launching baseless lawsuits over it.
by extension, what you "learn" from a 4X game is the skills you practice: basic math, forward planning, resource management. you learn to be a good buyer or a good stockkeeper. you don't learn to collectivize resource management because that's an ideology hinted at by the game, but it's not a skill you practiced playing the game. conceivably a game like Democracy, where you practice when to choose collectivization vs freedom, can train you in that skill. but it still won't train you to think collectivization is always best.
yeah it's ok to order pawns to make sacrificial moves but heaven's forbid you sent 3 villagers to gold so you advance to castle age
Omg age of empires 2. One of the best RTS games ever! Makes me feel old seeing this as I remember playing it close to when if first came out.
Playing RTS games like age of empires didn’t morph me into a commie. So I think your talking out your ass on this one OP.
They promote totalitarianism. It's not the same thing.
>because what you "learn" from an FPS is hand-eye coordination. not murderousness.
But that's wrong. Amazing how gaymers always say shit like "videogames taught me science/history/sruvival skills/how to fly a plane/X" but when it's something negative they try to bury it. Games are essentially murder simulators, Thief taught me how to skulk around houses and avoid detection and I'm not even joking, I surprise people with my stealthiness.
>people have done studies
I looked into it about 10 years ago and there was this one researcher, I believe it was Craig Anderson, that demonstrated there was a connection.
>hinted at by the game
So there you have it. It's embedded in the very framework of the game. It's not a skill you train, it's an assumption you operate in from the very beginning. Ignoring it is just myopic.
Delete and burn all your games, they're turning you into a commie prone to totalitarian thinking.
In any case it is more similar to Carl Schmitt's ideas about the common enemy and totalitarian states.
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No. More like nationalism or really a dictatorship.
The people have zero say. There is ONE authority that controls their lives: you. You are the absolute, unquestioned leader that can never be overthrown and you control all industries, who works in them, what they produce, and how that product is used.
So Starcraft and C&C is feudalism? Retard. Because it's the same thing but with less resource types. Don't confuse the aesthetic for the assumptions in the game model that influence your thinking.
>Thief taught me how to skulk around houses and avoid detection and I'm not even joking, I surprise people with my stealthiness.
This is some strong autism
Correct. But that also describes how communism works. State ownership and state control. There is no room for capitalism in this kind of game, not even abstracted away.
they produce itdoesn'tfuckingmatterism. you do what it takes to win while often not really knowing what it takes to win due to information gaps. they aren't "easy to learn hard to master" they are mental exercise traps without perfect play possible. you can take the stance that you are a dictator or your choices come democratically. it's society pass/fail either way.
in reality we only have to worry about failure. so the choices that build security on a global scale are the clear good ones. when you see things like massive depopulation ask yourself if that's really going to solve anything with a fraction of the people working on the problems. short of it causing a MAD nuclear war scenario of course not. those people are at best misguided and at worst quite obvious threats to humanity.
You may laugh but I'm sure you've done it too. Or for example there's a game where you take guns apart, I'm sure that has some training value.
More like a dictatorship. If I want to destroy homes, ruin an economy, or let people die I don't have to answer to a court nor must I answer to anyone other than myself. The only control my constituents have over the little world I've created is if they chose to live there or leave.
This. Autistic retards need other hobbies least they become schizophrenic, or trannies.
Not some asshole, Jack Thompson. He was disbarred over GTA. One of the biggest assholes in existence. his video game scam was after riding the anti metal and d&d crazes
>Video games taught me how to ..... fly a plane
Yeah but this is actually true though.
Explain please
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I used to always play on middle difficulty but I started watching t90 videos and improved my form a little bit now I win too much and if I try to play max difficulty I can only win with towers because the computer is to fast at dividing troops.
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transition to multiplayer?
So you can see how it extends into the other cases.
In paradox games, civilian economy is usually just a percentage take of income, there are mods that make it a full mechanic
There is a difference between system of governance and the economic system. Oftentimes there is capitalism in 4X strategy games like Civilization. But in an RTS, the focus is typically on warfare so the economic system is simplified to instead focus on building armies and conquering others.
No, jack. Because you aren't running around shooting a gun at realistic bodies in an fps. A flight simulator simulates the accuracy of flight, even up to physical sensations if you spend enough
Sounds like a cope to me. I haven't played Civ but it sounds like "capitalism" there is just a label and that's it. I'm not sure how the player can influence things there. I'm more familiar with RTSes and there the mechanic is like in communist societies, only instead of 5 year plans you have 1 second plans.
>Because you aren't running around shooting a gun at realistic bodies in an fps.
Uhh, yes you are, many games try to be as realistic as possible.
It is true that video games warp our minds.
When we play these games at age 7-13, our politics thought start forming.
Meanwhile, a game like Runescape teaches mercantilism (or at least used to) with the banks, markets and supply/demand.
RTS games are the best.
You think a controller is to a gun what a joystick is to a plane joystick? Have you seen the rigs people make for flight sims? No fps is anything like that, nor is the software anywhere near an accurate simulation of the required physical skills.
This is an interesting point. A lot of gamers are, if not completely top-down socialist, drawn to seeing the world in a simplified mechanic gamey way. Like look, if you manipulate this value, this other thing goes up, "it's science". All the twitch leftist political think like this. Newest data is the best, look how well we understand this thing based on this meta analysis some lab coat nigger did inside his computer completely separate from the real world. Old wisdom is rejected because it has been made look dumb and contradictionary by some new standard, while in reality the old wisdom isn't as smoothly logical sounding, but captures better how the world actually works.
Well, not really. Doom didn't teach me how to go into hell and kill demons. There's a difference between simulations and retarded games like GTA. As stupid as humans are, there is a basic distinction between fiction and reality. Everyone knows you can't "get away" with murder.
Games don’t teach you shit. There a means of passing time. This is true of all games, video games, board games, gambling games. Of course you “learn” how to play chess, checkers, dominos or some RTS game or a shooter. You can improve your skill at “x” particular game. But they give you no real world talents or anything.
>oh but they challenge your brain! They strengthen your ability to reason.
Perhaps so long as your not playing some shooter on a console. Outside that id say brain games are decent in that they focus your attention thus helps prevent dementia when you grow old somewhat but it gives you as much real life skills as using a treadmill does. Sure good for you but at the same time doesn’t produce Jack in real world marketable skills.
They aren't based on a political ideology. There is no hivemind ideology.
But sure, Communism is closest I guess.
Not that this a bad thing.
>tfw Civ has no oil so I have to crush civ next door to secure resource.
Global trade makes you weak and gay.
Only if you're playing Red Alert.
>Don't strategy videogames promote communism?
Only if you are absolutely sure you are the very top of your nation from the word run totalitarian communism.exe.
How would you like to be one of the peons instead of Player One in your favorite strategy game?
And yet the US Army trains its soldiers with mods of Operation Flashpoint.
The danger with videogames isn't that it trains you how to shoot a gun, they lower the inhibition barrier before you take violent action, or they put the idea of violent action in your head in the first place. There was a reason why the Nazis burned books, and those were just words (ideas), not immersive simulations.
Hahahaha always my favorite unit on age of empires. It pissed people off online so bad. Army’s of priests kicked ass without even kicking a single ass.
>Games don’t teach you shit.
They don't teach you. They train you. For example playing poker you might learn something (at least intuitively) about probability and peoples' facial expression. Scrabble might teach you about words.
What I'm describing is more like the "tetris effect", where after long periods of tetris people begin to see the world in terms of space optimization. It's the same thing with giving toys to infants: they're training tools.
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>Shooting video games lower the inhibition barrier
I live in America and grew up playing war and crime games. The first time I shot a gun was when I was 14 and I was terrified of the thing. Holding a 9mm in my hands actually had my heart pounding and made my hands clammy. When I shot the thing for the first time I couldn't believe how loud it actually was and how snappy the recoil felt and that feeling of adrenaline surged through my veins. Video games can't even compare.
>My parents left me to get raised by video games and now I'm an self-made expert on economical policies.
>Let me tell you how the market works. No, I've never invested. Why do you ask?
Read a book or go outside NERD!
Are all fins this spergy or is this just the summer kids getting on Yas Forums due to the quarantine?
Command economies are inherently superior to capitalist ones and China is proving this
for the greater good you must cooperate, capitalism will never achieve anything and will destroy humans on the long run
Yes and Doom Eternal warps insane people into crusading, multiverse hopping, demonic horde slaying human beings that rip & tear.
>Command economies are inherently superior
Except quality of life is non existent and the only thing that keeps people slaving away is through force. I.E. China, N Korea
>Capitalism will..... destroy humans on the long run
Speak of the devil. Also nice of a chink to speak of destroying humans. That's all your government is good at.
I can see a point here somewhat. Growing up in the 80s and 90s games could end up getting very addictive and people would play hours on end especially if autistic same goes for board games and dungeons and dragons... but usually it was only autists that did this video games weren’t really advanced enough to captivate someone long enough. You’d play one RPG game for certain number of hours a night for awhile and wait forever for the next one to come out there was no fortnite or COD to waste even more time on till next RPG game to come out.
The people I know that are extreme gamers while not completely skizo or retarded or anything seem very incompetent in the real world. Because they have locked themselves in a room with a headset on so long and pumped so much time and attention into the vidya that they forgotten and are out of tune with how the real everyday world works. There disconnected from reality. They can gain points and develops their fake in game character increase their stats like strength and intellegence in a game but having to actually pick up a weight or go for a jog is to extreme amount of a stress load on someone who sits and expects all these Things to occur at push of a button. They also struggle with real life relationships. Even everyday human interaction is too much stress and they don’t have the attention capacity for it because it’s all sinked into the vidya. Its getting pretty bad. I remember transitioning from gamer high school kid to real world it sucked but I made it. Now I don’t really game at all. Can’t afford the attention sink.
what does everything being ruled over by a all-powerful being have to do with communism?
It was always like this. Soviet Union was even able to compete with the west while being completely obliterated into stone age in the ww2, coming from feudalism post ww1, while the US occupied and took over the world unchallenged as a consequence of the destruction in the war and yet it got caught up eventually and is now chimping out that China is getting ahead.
>"Ok we need more wood, build a lumber camp. Now research gunpowder." Real life isn't like that, govt doesn't say "Ok now we need a search engine, go build Google". Nor does the govt give you money if you do want to build it, you have to either acquire your own capital or get somebody else's.
uhhhhh nationalgeographic.com
I once had a problem with a guy at my work. He really pissed me off and tried to assert his social dominance over me, always making snipes at me. It got to the point where every day I was imagining beating the fucker up, playing the script in my mind, over and over again, then shadowboxing to what I was imagining (kind of like Travis Bickle in the "you talking to me?" mirror scene of Taxi Driver). Then one day he ran into me and my coworkers outside of work hours and made his usual snide remark and I just snapped, all the mental conditioning I had done was unloaded and I punched him in the face. He cowered away with a bleeding lip like a pussy. Never had a problem with him again but just goes to show the things you repeat are a form of habit and preparation you build, like rehearsing before a presentation, training for a sport, anything. I guess iq89s that just drift through life latching onto whatever aren't really aware of this type of investment. Even posting on Yas Forums primes you in some way (e.g. desensitization).
Ask me about the quality of the life in Yugoslavia. Communism and socialism, but not challenged and isolated from the world. It was the paradise.
It does, it's just that those things aren't physically possible