Welsh Indians & Irish Indians

>Welsh-speaking
>Irish-speaking

Well, according the the Welsh and Irish today speaking Welsh/Irish doesn't make you Welsh or Irish. It's specifically about belonging to a select subclade of R1b known as L21 (which of course a significant amount of people in both Ireland and Wales don't actually belong to). See apparently language has no bearing on ethnicity to these people, hence why Ireland and Wales are not just English people today.

So we'd actually need to test the DNA of those Indians to first establish whether they were Welsh or Irish.

I don't know about reaching the America's
But the Irish did settle Iceland before the norse invasion

the only old tales I heard is back when Edward the longshank kicked the SHIT out of those welsh sons of bitches

It was more specific than that, but very few people talk about it.

I've heard some ancient welsh king took a ship to modern America. Some rock carving proves it, but I think the carving might have been proved a hoax. The story about the welsh king sailing west is real though.

The Irish do this with fucking everything, they're honestly subhuman fucking retards. Apparently King Tut 'has Irish DNA'. You still get them peddling the long debunked notion that people in Ireland are related to Basque people or that there is actually some genetic connection between Irish people and Spaniards. R1b-L21 clusters with other northwest Europeans (English, Dutch, Norwegians, Danes, northern Germans and French).

It does not cluster with Iberians or peoples in other parts of Europe that used to be Celtic at all.

It would be nearly impossible these days since most Native Americans have admixture. There would have to be at least 700 years haplogroup subclade divergence. However cultural artifacts which can't be explained by post-colonial presence.

*Edward Longshanks.

agreed, can't stand the irish. bunch of whiny fucking proto sjws.

Even then, Welsh people and Irish people are quite genetically as well as physically different.

Also, the norse in the vinland sagas said the natives spoke a language similar to irish. They also found a land near by Vinland called Great Ireland or Whitemansland because the people there were White.

I'm actually quarter Irish, quarter Ulster-Scots and half English with a strong dislike for Irish Republicanism.

They found Irish words?

The Welsh are lying we wuzzing retards as well just like the Irish. Something you'll find about L21s is they cannot seem to go five breaths without inventing some fabricated history or associating themselves with biblical peoples/kings or mythological descents.

They were Celts. They were Romans. They were Norsemen. They were so on and so forth... they were basically everything other than what they actually were, which was fucking rape victims of the English for 900 years.

L21 is a freak genetic accident that should have been wiped from this Earth.

>the people there were White.

So couldn't have been Irish then...

I'm actually being serious.

>I'm actually quarter Irish, quarter Ulster-Scots and half English

You're just fucking English. Shut the fuck up with this stupid American bullshit. That's not how ethnicity fucking works.

Keep seeing articles but with absolutely no sources. Can you show me one?

Why is it always memeflags who spout absolute horseshite?

Unless the Irish suddenly got paler in the 1800s they are pretty darn White.

As a native American with a tiny bit of Irish and Welsh blood.
Its possible, look at Canada.

>t. Norman Rape Baby.

How is it horseshite you fucking moron. Explain to me the sense in claiming to be fractals of fucking ethnic groups just because a fraction of your ancestral line came from these places. It's arbitrary bullshit, you are not fractals of these ethnic groups, you are the ethnic group you grew up among and speak the same language as and so on...

You're not phenotypically distinct, these peoples you're listing are not separate races so it's fucking irrelevant. Nobody fucking does this anywhere outside of the English-speaking world. it's a fucking disease and a plague. I've NEVER heard a German claiming to be 1/16 Polish and 1/8 French and 1/64 Irish.

It's fucking stupid. There are no pure people or pure ethnic groups. That's not what an ethnic group fucking is. Genetics alone is race and it's not that relevant when it comes to ethnic groups beyond broad phenotype.

many evidence of ancient aryans was found in the new world

did you know the mayan god of war was named Votan?

It's known for certain Norsemen sailed to the Mi'kmaq lands. But were likely kicked out.

Yes because the Welsh were never raped by Romans, Normans, Anglo-Saxons, (actual) Celts, Irish people, Vikings and various others over their several thousand years spent in their slither of land, were they...

The Irish are swarthy manlet scum. All the white looking ones are of English or Norse descent.

I actually have grandparents who originate there you crackhead. There's literally Huguenot and Polish originated Germans especially those from the former Prussian German lands who acknowledge that.

>English.
>Actual Celts.
WE.

I had an old guy about 20 years ago, when I was just a kid, in a backwater town in Kentucky tell me about Welsh Indians with olive skin.

I didn't know until now. Thanks!

So it's just arbitrary fucking Nuremberg rules with you. It only goes back to grandparents and then ancestry is irrelevant. I honestly don't know what's wrong with people like you. What the fuck does it matter if you have grandparents from there? What fucking difference does that make? What about having an Irish grandparent makes you any less English than someone with 4 English grandparents.

Did your grandparent raise you speaking Irish or at least learn you to it to native level? What's their last name actually? Are you sure they're even ultimate of Irish descent as a ton of so-called Irish descent is actually just backtracked English or Norse descent

I'm not calling the English Celts. I'm saying there was a small genetic imprint from actual Celts on the British Isles, coming from the Halstatt/LaTene cultures. the vast majority of so-called Celtic peoples in the British Isles do not descend from those people at all but instead descend from a subclade of R1b which is traced back to the Rhineland and which clusters most closely with, surprise surprise, Germanic peoples by far.

They still exist?

He said they did. He claimed that a small surviving group lived like hermits in the nearby woods, never coming into town.

There's likely German on my English side.

>There's literally Huguenot and Polish originated Germans

I've never met a single German who claims to be 1/12 Polish or Hugenot. I've met Germans who said they had ancestors from other parts of the world or what have you, but I have never met a single one who claimed HE was Polish or Hugenot or whatever the fuck else just because some of his ancestors were.

Because that would be fucking stupid. It's like saying you're a skilled ventriloquist just because you're grandfather was, despite not knowing the first thing about ventriloquy

Germanic tribes namely the Franks absorbed Celtic peoples when they crossed the Rhine. I know Celts originated in Central Europe but they had spread elsewhere since.

"life here would be one dominated by battle and fear"
yeah pretty big compliment from the jommskin

You don't seem like someone who knows anyone.

This is very interesting. I suppose they have good reason to steer away from modern society.

Yes and do you genuinely think that makes you remotely German? Do you know how a German would react if you told him you were German because your ancestor was? The first thing a German would ask you if you claimed to be German would be to speak German to him.

You know Germans, being autistic, actually created a pretty detailed standard for ethnic Germanness back in the 1700s or so. People like you weren't even on the list, and even people of FULL recent German ancestry were last placed and barely qualifying if they couldn't speak German and had grown up somewhere like America.

I can post it if you want, it's actually quite interesting.

>I've never met X

Protip: if a person's heritage is "family lived in Burgerberg for the past 10 generations" then 9/10 times they're not looking around to see who is in their family tree. It's the people with ancestors who sowed their wild oats across the world who tend to know more about their ancestors 500 years ago.

Nigga please

I forgot what the town's name was, and I had to ask my father, but the town in question was Lookout, Kentucky. Apparently they live off the land and scavenge through old coal mines. Most of the locals avoid them, and the old guy seemed to reallly dislike them.

I don't really care since I am not really that German, schweinscheisser.

No, you're not understanding what I'm saying. R1b-L21 is NOT Celtic genetically. They don't cluster with Celts, at all, they're not similar genetically to people from other Celtic parts of Europe, at all. The latest theory is they were likely conquered and assimilated by Celts at some point in prehistory, much like the English were conquered and heavily (albeit not completely) Romanized by Normans linguistically after 1066.

This would in fact fit with what Caesar noted about the Britons when they were first invading which was that they had recently been overrun by Celtic tribes from the continent. Gauls are also believed to have conquered Germanic lands and colonized/assimilated Germanic peoples in prehistory according to Roman sources.

So by the own logic of people claiming language has nothing to do with ethnicity, the 'Celts' of the British Isles are literally not Celtic at all and never were. R1b-L21 is simply not Celtic, they just spoke Celtic languages for a time.

>I don't really care since I am not really that German

And nor are you Irish or Ulster-Scots, to any degree. Thanks for understanding and conceding. :)

So West Germanic people aren't Germanic because most of their DNA is Celtic? Celtic is a linguistic group.

My surname is Irish, you miserable cunt :)

>So West Germanic people aren't Germanic because most of their DNA is Celtic?

Their DNA isn't Celtic. You don't understand what subclades are. R1b is not Celtic. R1b is a very broad haplogroup present among many ethnolinguistic groups. There are also Italic and Slavic subclades of R1b.

West Germanic people are Germanic because they speak Germanic languages and cluster most closely genetically with other peoples who speak Germanic languages, just like the so-called 'Celts' of the British Isles also do.

>My surname is Irish, you miserable cunt

Change it then, fenian scum.

Are they Misunderstood?

I think the dragon on the Welsh flag comes from North America being shaped like that, and there was a thriving civilization of white people in America before the Indians arrived there. The history books say we migrated east to get to Britain, but I think the opposite happened.

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No idea. Never saw one while I was there, just heard people saying how much they dislike them.

based retard

Stop haplomemeing and choke on Corona you sad wee shite.

>brings up genetics as an argument
>spergs out and ridicules using genetics as an argument when he loses that argument because genetics don't support his position at all

You know... you do seem awfully fucking Irish. Maybe behavior is a lot more genetics based than I previously thought.

They might takeover once Corona hits bad.

>when Lookout Kentucky is only 3 miles away from Hellier Kentucky

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Why? What's in Hellier Kentucky?

No, it was actually you who brought up the haplomemes first. This is the last (you) from me you utter cunt.

What's your address?

The vast majority of Brits are related to King Tut

Welsh people have olive skin, they are not indians though

Show pic of yourself and I will judge if you are a worthy fight. No weapons.