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Let me clarify as well, that reinfection may not be 100% confirmed. The disease can be picked up in tests for a while after you recover, so these "reinfections" may actually be just tests popping positive after recovering because they still have the virus in their system. The real concern is that they are still contagious during that period.

I have family in LEO and a paramedic, how are numbers out there for first responder infection?

Have any word on what they're doing in response to the wagies not wanting to stock shelves without hazard pay?

>Have any word on what they're doing in response to the wagies not wanting to stock shelves without hazard pay?
Nobody around here is refusing, but I do see the trend popping up on social media. Rumors I am hearing from unofficial sources is that the Feds may come in and take over supply and distribution and start rationing food and supplies due to shortages. Never mind the personnel issue.

>how are numbers out there for first responder infection?
I have not received the data, but we have a ton of first responders in my state coming down with it, and as you seen in China, there were plenty of healthcare providers who came down with it. Part of the issue in the US is lack of PPE. If we had PPE, it wouldn't be as big of a problem, but I'm fucking having to reuse the same N95 for every call, and I had multiple patients who had symptoms last shift.

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Kind of figures, didn't they up min wage in Seattle to like $15/hr or something?

Ontario they've had first responders systematically come a local distribution center for EMS to be fit tested for respirators and given n95s as well as surgical mask style N95 covers. My old man is EMS. He said respirator with p100s has been advised to be only used if/when you run out of n95s. They didn't even supply any respirator cleaning wipes, let alone guidance that you need to and how to dispose of the filters...

>He said respirator with p100s has been advised to be only used if/when you run out of n95s
Sort of what I'm thinking of. We don't have enough masks and I can buy a P100 on Amazon right now, but not more N95s. Filters I would just toss id a red bio bag and use my regular medical wipes for decon. That is if we don't run out of those too.

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Thanks for articulating this.

But given how bad the sars vaccine turned out for long term side effects. Would a vaccine not be just as bad?

Are the photos of the fucked up MRI lung scans real? Decade pack a day smoker here. Still young and not immunovompromised. Rarely get sick when family and those near me get sick.

Am I boned?

Whats the average recovery time?

>Decade pack a day smoker here.
It is not like you care about your life anyway, so why worry

>Are the photos of the fucked up MRI lung scans real
Yes they are. I'd recommend you stop smoking immediately.

It has potential for that, that's why the wait is so long. It's to ensure that it is "safe", but event then, it is hard to predict the long term effects of a vaccine. Risk vs reward comes to mind. Is the vaccine less deadly than the disease? That that's an easy choice if there are no other options.

Know anything about clallam county... everyone is in the dark out here.

If I remember correctly it's around 20 days up to 40+ days for severe cases. I don't have the data on hand. Most cases begin showing symptoms around 4-6 days in, but can incubate up to 20+ days in extreme cases, but usually lower.

It’s been floated that one of the reasons more men are dying is that, so far, it’s swept through some countries with a really strong culture of male smoking. Hey, at least quitting has near-instant benefits

2 cases, no deaths. The numbers are updated daily at about 3pm daily at this link. These are **confirmed cases**. The government is not lying about the number of cases, but the commerical labs are taking about 4 days for results. And yes, we know there are a ton of unconfirmed cases lingering in the community. The numbers are put out usually the next day after they come in if they come in later in the day.
>doh.wa.gov/emergencies/coronavirus

>I'd recommend you stop smoking immediately.

Honest question, how can you possibly treat thousands of 400+ lb people expected to flood the system each and every day for months?

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>Honest question, how can you possibly treat thousands of 400+ lb people expected to flood the system each and every day for months?
You can't. That's the whole problem. We will overwhelm our healthcare system if we can't flatten the curve.

Have you heard anything about possible radiation? From oh say a war with Iran?

But even if you can flatten the curve it just seems like an impossible challenge on a large enough scale

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That's true and it's because countries took isolation measures too late in the game.

Poor ICU workers too. RIP their spines.

In Europe we have some tall people (just big men) but very few morbidly obese.

BTW do you have a sense already how bad is obesity as a per-existing condition in this?

China estimated that smokes are 14 times more likely to get severe.

>smokes
smokers

I don't understand... shouldn't P100s be preferred for this work because it can filter something like 99.97% of particles rather than 95%?

Do you think quarantine lockdowns are coming? How will they look? Will freeways/highways be blocked?
captcha is absolutely fucked

Yes, Redmond is super nice. Asians and indians but still a nice town.

I'd guess that cost is why they aren't being used.

Yes I think they are coming. It will be a hard suggestion at most. Local LE here is saying it can't be enforced, and our Department of Emergency Management *Manager* if you will doesn't think it will ever happen. That kind of thing is likely the stuff of movies. I'm not saying it's impossible but here's what it may look like.
>Roads still open to essential traffic (groceries, medical, and work)
>life goes on much as it is now
>FEMA steps in and helps the states front the cost of this pandemic (75%-85% of the cost)
>National Guard/Military may be used for medical care/food supply distribution if it ever becomes an issue (likely wont)

It's not really realistic for the military to come in and lock everything down at gun point and set up mass treatment camps. We don't have the manpower for it and it would be a political disaster that would fracture the country if it was ever done on a large scale. It would cause more long term harm than good.

Do you have any realistic info about the death rate ?

Would this be something you guys would be interested in?
lowellmakes.com/covid-19-response/
Or is it a waste of time and material?

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how do you know that the lethality of this isn't the same as aids?

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It varies and depends on too many factors to really be something you can really point to with any certainty. It depends on your healthcare system, demographics of your population, isolation measures, etc. Plus you can't get a full idea because we assume most cases are mild and aren't ever seeking treatment or testing.

It is at minimum 0.9 percent, and if I recall as high as 14%.

Thank you for your service and your responses user. People like you working on the front line are heroes and you are saving lives. Shills and schizos aside, we are grateful for what you do. Stay healthy and safe out there, please.

My question is, how do you see this playing out in the longer term, over the next 3 mo, 6 mo, year? I understand the purpose of enforced quarantines is to hopefully flatten the curve enough to prevent healthcare system collapse. But I’m worried it may be too late for that already, given a) the already strained and overworked state of US healthcare b) the shitty health of Americans c) the fact we are getting around to quarantine so late in the game.

I also wonder about second and third waves of infection and how those might play out further down the line.

In any case I consider this virus and its socioeconomic fallout to be the happening of our times, on the scale of WW2 meets the great depression. Do you agree or have I been spending too much time in these threads?

Thanks again

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OP when will the nation wide lockdown start?

Is Washington going on lockdown Monday?

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Whats the deal with Oregon? shouldn't there be more cases considering they are in the middle of two hotspots? Is there minimal testing there or something?

Checked and lastly— what about these figures I’ve read saying 60-80% or more of the world population will be infected? If that is true, aren’t we on track for global collapse (even if the reinfection meme doesn’t hold water)? If 70% of the world’s population catches this thing, at even a 1% death rate we’d be looking at many hundreds of millions dead and a billion plus in critical condition. Surely this would be a catastrophic, civilization ending outcome, no?

>But I’m worried it may be too late for that already, given a) the already strained and overworked state of US healthcare b) the shitty health of Americans c) the fact we are getting around to quarantine so late in the g
I think you are correct. We will reap the consequences of an overloaded healthcare system and the death of many seniors. But that also has it's own long term economic benefits potentially (less long term care, medicare, housing surplus in certain areas), as fucked up as that sounds.

From what experts are saying, and depending on the depth on the government stimulus, the economy may recover much faster than 2008. More like post 9/11. Waves of infection will happen until we get a vaccine, mutations could happen as well. It is definitely the happening of our times, we have never seen anything like this, neither has our parents, and maybe even grandparents. This is unprecedented. Our socioeconomic system has changed so much, and transportation, international trade and countries economies are so intertwined, and on top of that these modern systems run 24/7... they have never had something like this happen. This is rough for all of us, the tension is up at work, and at home. People don't know what to do, or think. Me personally, even with the daily meetings with experts I am kind of on the fence. All of us in the meetings are. We don't know if this is the big one or not. We all seem to have that gut feeling but nobody talks about it.

But this has happened many times in humanities history, and we are better equipped with knowledge and technology now more than we ever have been. We'd be failing as a species if we let this cripple us the same as it has before with how far we have come.

Not going to happen. It will be done at a state level and maybe financially funded and backed up with federal resources. You WILL NOT ever see national guard doing patrols down your street to enforce curfews. That's movie magic that doesn't happen in reality.

We don't know. It's on the table, and nobody in Olympia wants to make that decision, but pressure is mounting. I think it may be next week, but remember lockdowns still allow for basic supply chains and infrastructure to operate as normal.

There are cases, but the number of test kits is low. Our state and county have kits, but we have to ration them (that's why we have testing criteria, so we don't miss the most severe cases) so that we have enough to last until the next shipment. Currently the state has a 14 day ETA for more test kits and a very small stockpile.

>If 70% of the world’s population catches this thing, at even a 1% death rate we’d be looking at many hundreds of millions dead and a billion plus in critical condition. Surely this would be a catastrophic, civilization ending outcome, no?
That may happen if people don't follow social distancing and quarantines.

The only reason I said in this post that the national guard will never roll into your streets and enforce quarantines like in Hollywood is because we don't have enough manpower to cover the large geographic area of the US, along with way too much empty land and rural areas. We also have a very strong political ideology that is based heavily on individual rights and protection from government overreach. This alone makes the risk vs reward on such a scenario way too great. It can be done small scale like in Boston after the Boston Bombings, but done nationally would cause a civil war, or confrontations. Our society values it's rights very heavily, as much as it may not seem like it.

Is the presence of multiple strains confirmed, i.e., at least two where one is more dangerous and another (or the same) is more contagious?

Just wanted to say thanks EMTs have saved my life multiple times

I have heard possibly 2. China and Italy/Europe are two different strains, and the US has Chinas version. But international travel means we could have both.

1. How many rolls of toilet paper do you have?
2. In your opinion what does the most probable timeline look like? Infection numbers, measures taken, ect.
3. How bad will cities like Chicago and New York become?

Put me in the camp that thinks we're gonna get gangbanged by multiple strains and this is more likely to go like the spanish flu with a round this year and a worse round next year than it is to be over soon. I think we'll know more in the next 7 to ten days, and, best case, things are relatively stable by the end of the summer before round two gets underway. I don't see how we don't move to a model that targets hot spots, alternately tightening and loosening the quarantining around the country, such that the majority of the population should expect to catch it at some point, and then either go relatively mild (with a small portion of those still potentially having long lasting after effects), a bad case that leaves permanent damage, or dead.

What is surprising to me is the obvious uncertainty and significant lack of information, even available to local elected officials.

If you are going from a person with symptoms to another person and using the same mask, are you not spreading it to the next person?

is it just surprising or is it also suspicious?
maybe they are not sharing information because they haven't figured it out yet?

or could it be that they don't want to cause a panic so they are withholding information, would they even do that do you know?

Originally on here, user's were saying it's a one and once it's past the lungs the second phase is unlocked.
There was a message from a Dr who confirmed a second mutation of the original was present in China.

Hi I have a sore throat, swollen lymph nodes & I been having daily headaches with occasional chills & lethargy. I also have a strange stinging in my nostrils that I've never felt before with a cold. Both my sons have A nasty cough. I called some clinics and emergency room and the CA public health department. And I've been consistently told there is no testing for me. They pretty much said you need to have pneumonia/fever or have travelled to europe or china to qualify for testing.
The testing situation and lack of necessary medical equipment and is a big failure.