Why do leftists think we has a nazi or find him upsetting?
Nietzsche
Anthony Garcia
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Blake Evans
is that a real question
Jason Hill
Leftists find everything upsetting
And fuck Nietzsche, bukowski is where it's at
Chase Brown
Bukowksi? That mouthbreather with the rape fetish? Or is there some actual writer by that name also?
Carter Lopez
must read:
>Beyond Good and Evil
>Genealogy of Morals
>Thus Spoke Zarathustra
Jacob Price
if you think leftists don't like Nietzsche you've clearly been reading newspapers from the 50s. french philosophers effectively canonized him in the leftist canon by the 70s.
Robert Rivera
Well,
I figured out the "NNOOOOO, YOU CAN'T JUST EXPECT ME TO HAVE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND MAKE MY OWN MORAL DECISIONS, NOT MY HECKING HERD MENTALITIRINNOOOO" part, the thing that leftists hate most is the sheer suggestion they may be responsible for their own problems.
But it's like none of them have ever even read Nietsche, even the educated ones I've talked to who are familiar at least in passing with other philosophers.
Zachary Jones
also, a philosophy teacher once said to me when I challenged a classmates reading of Beyond Good and Evil: "the only correct reading of Nietzsche is my reading." this is the only Nietzschean way of reading him. if you're looking for a political platform you're not going to find it with him.
Michael Lopez
Very few people have actually read him. Actually, I've only read Genealogy of Morals and still have more to go. But I enjoyed the book and I think he makes many great points about how morality is structured, not just what different morals are. I'm sure if more leftists read him they still wouldn't like him, but for different reasons. Everyone thinks he's a nazi
Jace Perry
the idea that you can find something even close to a "counter-leftist" ideology in Nietzsche is a really pleeb surface reading.
his project is about philosophy and language, and to reduce it to some kind of weird anarcho-libertarianism is just a sad reading.
David Rivera
reminds me of max stirner lol
Jeremiah White
>live and die long before Nazis were even a thing
>still a Nazi
wew, imagine being a leftist ideologue
Sebastian Hall
his sister is the reason people think he's a Nazi. Bataille and Deleuze (French philosophers, Bataille is cool but Deleuze is a cuck) debunked this in the 60s and 70s. He's very explicitly not an anti-semite and has written plenty about how he thinks ethno-nationalism is dumb.
Isaiah Brooks
I agree but that's true of many philosopher's; neitzsche certainly provides a set of foundational moral tastes and axioms from which to build a worldview, from which a political philosophy can be derived.
It's not that, I just wanted to find a quote which hard debunks that he was a statist. It's certainly undeniable that his philsosophy is robustly individualist. But I'm not arguing my own interpretation, I'm wondering why so many leftists believe this.
Hudson Rivera
you can apply his concepts of last men, slave morality, and overcoming the herd to modern politics. They are eternal concepts, but I wouldn't exactly compare him to political philosophers either
He actually praised Jews but not for the reasons one would think. What were his arguments against ethnonationalism?
William Hernandez
Shouldn't you be praying to Mecca?
Logan Flores
This is probably the only decent thread on Yas Forums rn so have a bump
Justin Thompson
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Bataille's essay (not sure about this translation but go for it). Was important for "redeeming" Nietzsche from Nazism.
Julian Kelly
i dont know but im going to consider Sarah's opinion in the matter on AA's stream this evening.
Isaiah Rogers
Stirner is also great. Nietzsche never explicitly mentioned his influence but it seems undeniable he was one. Also Marx and Engels ended up hating Stirner so we know he's a good one.
Thomas James
He warned that the Godless left would end up Substituting the state for God. And said we are all fucked on that day. He we are. Fucked
Xavier Rodriguez
proper historicization of Nietzsche's thought *intensifies*
Caleb Bailey
I couldn't find any of Nietzsche's arguments against the existence of ethnic nations, only statements against antisemitism or that fascists from the 1930s used similar language but with different motives
Noah Nguyen
what is the point of Nietzsche philosophy if it divides people to the point it just makes people worship jews?
Brandon Turner
>he wasn't an anti-semite
Why won't this meme ever die? He'd be in prison if he lived in modern Germany.
Benjamin Russell
Make sure you trust the state concerning everything about corona though, right?
The severity, the steps to enhance “national defense”, the necessary closure of the jobs people need to survive, the vaccine they’ll eventually give you.. surely the state and their news outlet mouthpieces are being honest regarding all this. Surely the philanthropist billionaires and the celebrity actors are people you can trust, eh? Don’t trust anyone but your family and those you decide to make your friends.
Gavin Jones
paged through Genealogy of Morals to find this section that I'm thinking of but couldn't find it.
You raise a good question though - I think it's possible to say that the formal doctrine of Fascism turns on a presupposition of stable unity like an ethnic heritage for it to be productive, but it's questionable whether they can be used transitively.
Based, good thought challenge.
Juan Collins
because reducing him to antisemitism is to oversimplify how actually violent and derisive he was. if you can "unify" around hating jews it's not really a will to power.
Gavin Fisher
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Joseph Roberts
leftie here
Stirner is cooler.
also this OP is a retard.
Andrew Sullivan
Many philosophers are valued more for the questions they raise as opposed to the answers to those questions.
Nietzsche is considered one of the fathers of post-modernism precisely for the questions he asked. But his solutions...eternal recurrence, the ubermensch..meh. Philosophy has progressed much further since then. He was a man of his times, and had his own 19c. response to the world just like Marx, Freud, Darwin, etc.
Zachary Watson
You're the only one oversimplifying anything and you're trying to project it back on everyone else. No one reduces him to anything just because one can see in his writings that he would be classified as a virulent anti-semite today.
>The Jew is fearful of flowing blood; it displeases him. He would much rather let his money flow to his lawyers until in this way—“honor is victorious”)
>Nothing that anyone else has perpetrated against the “noble,” the “powerful,” the “masters,” the “rulers” merits discussion in comparison with the deeds of the Jews—the Jews, that priestly people who ultimately knew no other way of exacting satisfaction from their enemies and conquerors than through a radical transvaluation of their values, through an art of the most intelligent revenge.
Trying to "save" Nietzsche is just intellectual masturbation.
Caleb Howard
Becouse for Nietzsche Übermensch, eugenics is needed.
Noah Wright
I have no interest in "saving" Nietzsche. He could have made his living off of lynchings for all I care. What I'm trying to say is that his philosophy is far too destabilizing in the tradition of Western thought in general to be classed under anything IN TOTAL like an antisemitic platform.
Nietzsche has no platform, and if the question is literally just "duh can I use Nietzsche in X Y Z ways to verify my own pathetic world view" than regardless of if I'm oversimplifying, the true intellectual masturbators are those who ask questions like that
Grayson Miller
He’s definitely not one of us, and I have yet to see evidence that he is redpilled on the JQ. In fact, I’ve seen some evidence that he was a Jew himself
Brandon Rogers
Because he was an anti-humanist.
Nathan Bell
Fucking based
Gavin Wilson
>Philosophy has progressed much further since then.
Excuse me?!?
Name one actual philosopher after Nietzsche except Heidegger.
The 20th century was so sparse with original philosophical thought that Sartre is considered a philosopher now.
Alexander Hall
Now you're retreating into whether his PHILOSOPHY is anti-semitic which would obviously be nonsense. Your claim was that Nietzsche himself was not an anti-semite and that his sister somehow tricked everyone into believing he was.
This is why people should never read second hand literature on Nietzsche. Literally every person of whatever political persuasion likes Nietzscheanism be it fascist, anarchist, leftists, communist, anprim etc and they're all hellbent on forcing him into their ideology and to especially make sure to imply he doesn't fit with anyone else's. The truth is that the Nazis were Nietzscheans in many ways, plenty of Anarchists could classify as Nietzscheans and so could plenty of trannies.
Connor Long
This is a valid point. I think you could make the argument that even those who tried to be philosophers after Nietzsche failed.
IMO, it was Hegel's influence that condemned everyone to the clusterfuck that was the 20th century of thought.
I have a soft spot for Bataille and Blanchot though. Limit experience and non-knowledge was at least a seldom explored idea, regardless of if they succeeded or not.
Brayden Fisher
leftists are the last man
Chase Green
Actually, I think you're right. I think I got tricked into lending an initial question an answer that I already had dismissed as misguided, and thus ended in the contradiction you're pointing out.
Wyatt Cox
Im getting into philosophy these days and I would like to give me some recommendations about modern philosophy
Jacob Young
He isn't wrong
Sebastian Ward
Did you know he was polish?
Henry Lewis
No, liberals are.
>IMO, it was Hegel's influence that condemned everyone to the clusterfuck that was the 20th century of thought.
Are you an Anglo by any chance, memeflaggot? Because that's what every Anglo who talks about intellectual history says.
Ethan Sanders
Did you know that he wasn't?
Jack Harris
Jackson Lopez
I agree, Heidegger could be considered the "last" philosopher, but I wouldn't write off the entirety of 20c. thought as quickly as you. Postmodernism was an ugly phase, but a necessary one.
Dominic Lewis
Wait what? Since when? Is everyone a nazi to these faggots. Oh wait, ofc, silly me...
On a serious note, I can't resonate at all with any other philosophies than the ancients. Since everything has exceptions I'd say Spinoza and Heidegger.
Matthew Scott
No problem senpai
Have you read Dimitris Liantinis?
>youtube.com
His magnum opus is Gemma(Γκέμμα). I've only watched the lecture but I've heard the book is great.
Colton Miller
very cool question dude. what thread was it copied and pasted from.
Nolan Stewart
Because leftists from the 50,s and leftsist now are the same.
Dylan Robinson
>Postmodernism was an ugly phase, but a necessary one.
based
Jace Williams
Nietzsche was so based that it made him go insane
Isaac Miller
Nietzsche/horse memes would be a good evolution for this thread
Juan Powell
>. He's very explicitly not an anti-semite
>Goyim you are whatever my feelings decide you are.
kys memeflag.
Dominic Hernandez
>Why do leftists think we has a nazi or find him upsetting?
gee I wonder
oh no no no no
Easton Campbell
>Why do leftists think we has a nazi or find him upsetting?
they don't, fucking brainlet.
they even think he was on their side.
everybody makes up his own version of Nietzsche.
Wyatt Young
he went crazy because a bacteria ate his brain not because he became too redpilled to stay sane
Isaac Cruz
I didn't even know of Nietzche until Jordan Peterson talked about him and Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. Nietzche wrote "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" and Aleksandr the "Gulag Archepelogo". Honestly I can say, both are groundbreaking. I was blown away. The thinking was so beyond being forward, but 100's of years ahead of its time. You can listen to them for free audiobook on Youtube.
Mason Wright
Did they have condoms back then? Maybe sheep skin...
Brandon Hughes
However, its obvious to me that Nietzche was either Schizophrenic or going insane. Its just way way out there, the "Dune" by Frank Herbert of the 1800's.
Jace Smith
he probably thought the risk of catching anything was very low
Wyatt Fisher
clearly mistaking genealogy for ideology
hating everyone is better than hating just someone, N knew that well
Anthony Bailey
They should find him upsetting. His work is grounded in the idea of humans breaking beyond their Earthly chains, and becoming something akin to a God. That is also upsetting to Christians, as obviously man cannot replace God in their book, but for the Leftists whos entire philosophy is rooted in struggles between human being, and also, again "Earthly" things, for all Leftists religions refuse to acknowledge God or let alone think man can be a God, both are outside of those two religions realms, and I am speaking of the religion of Christianity, Socialism, and Communism, ALL which seek to keep man down. Nietzsche talks of setting man free of that.