Why does every government say it's not necessary to wear any kind of mask since they are useless and won't help us in...

>Full face mask including goggles protects you perfectly.
Lolno.

It's just that you're assuming government is there to protect and take care of the people. This makes you not understand their argumentation regarding the masks.
Government is there to protect and take care of the government. It gives 0 fucks about people. Therefore, telling people wearing masks does nothing might appear to be a better strategy by the government if it keeps the state in one peace without panic a bit longer.

>Condom won't protect you from shit

>the mask only helps if you already have the infection so you don't infect others
But thats exactly why people should wear them though, or atleast cover their mouth and nose with whatever.
Lots of people never even develop symptoms and those that do can develop them after 2 weeks but during that time still keep infecting others.

- It helps preventing airborne contamination (yes, it DOES, do not listen to west european nonsense), just like gloves help keeping your hands clean. The chances to get infected via breathing the virus are slim ; with an appropriate mask they are nonexistent. Using an FFP2 mask is useful.

And even if it didn't help keeping yourself safe (it does), it would at the very least keep everyone around you safe. You may be an asymptomatic carrier and you would not know it. You may be a danger to healthy people : wearing a mask reduces your contamination factor.

There are ZERO reasons not to wear one, NONE. No downsides whatsoever.

Actually yes there is one : governments are fucking trash at managing stocks and don't have enough for everyone. Doctors and nurses need them en masse, and even they are given the finger.

Bottom line : if you have any, use them.

This was floating around earlier and probably legit. I think it tells you all you need to know. (According to the study, the guy who got on 30min later after the spreader had left the bus and still got infected got it from the air, not the surfaces.)

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they want them for medical workers.
they keep nurses/doctors from breathing shit on you and making things worse.

mask might keep you from breathing the virus in but it wont keep you from touching your face.

even your dentist wears a mask so he doesnt breath his/her germs into your mouth giving you an infection.

they keep the people helping you from making things worse.

theyre not re-useable

It's a mixture of things. On one hand production and supply lines for masks have been fucked since mid January, most public health institutions have been woefully understocked by orders of magnitude in terms of supplies for mass casualty events (pandemics included) and effectively zero on the ground healthcare staff have any sort of emergency stash of PPE for themselves in the event that their employer stops supplying to them. On the other most of those surgical masks do not form any kind of remotely reliable inbound seal, let alone a barrier for your eyes or ear canals, and so in the event of an airborne virus (of which covid19 certainly appears to be) all they're really good for is catching outbound vapor and spittle coming from the wearer. They're not entirely lying when they say surgical masks won't save YOU from the virus. The retards wearing reed valve vented n95 jobsite masks are the worst of all because they don't act as an effective barrier in either direction, but that's another subject.

When it comes down to it the honest pragmatic motivation behind the lie is that for the vast vast majority of people, more than 99%, they lack the foresight, discipline, knowledge and endurance to continually execute the kind of decontamination protocols necessary to prevent even the wearing of a CBRN ultimately being moot point. With the virus surviving viably on surfaces for hours to a week, if you can't keep your dirty infected dickbeaters out of your eyes nose and mouth until after you've properly decontaminated no amount or grade of mask or barrier is going to keep you uninfected.

Every time I see a millennial/zoomer aged maskfag at a store or something, I cough on the back of their neck.
I’m hoping at least once it’s a Yas Forums prepcel.

It's not about keeping yourself uninfected though, you could already be infected without knowing, it's about protecting those around you.
That's why in my country it's already mandatory to wear them at all times.

It's just disgusting how ineffective and anarchist your third-world shithole that somehow creates an illusion it's a superpower is. If you did this shit here I'd be fully obliged to forcefully stop you and call the police so they could put you in a quarantine and fine about $2000 and then direct it to court.

Sure, once the virus is endemic in a region that's true, but at the time a lot of the sentiment OP is alluding to was going around it was not at all endemic in the US and very few if any cases were recognized. At that specific time people were still laboring under the impression that containment was a possibility. People in healthcare who didn't think or plan were just being butthurt online about the fact that they couldn't get any masks.

You'd get your ass kicked.

yes. there aren’t enough masks. doctors may pretend to be caring, selfless people on tv, but they’re actually rich egomaniacs who only took up the profession for the money. if there aren’t enough masks, they won’t report to the hospital, they’ll bug out with their supermodel wives and a fat bag of cash.

additionally there’s this whole herd immunity theory, which may or may not be even be applicable since there’s a lot of talk about reinfection, but it’s all a win win for the elite. just get sick debtslave, your lives don’t matter anyway.

The mask helps against someone coughing on you, but that's about it. There are some theories about how the virus can also spread through the eyes, in which case the mask really wouldn't help you much. This is probably why the doctors in places like China wear full hazmat suits. Another issue is that if the virus gets on the mask it would be very easy for you to get it on your fingers while taking the mask off. This is not a problem if you know what you're doing, but how many normies do you think would actually manage to do it properly?

tl;dr: Probably somewhat useful in the right hands, but not very useful for most people and can probably do more good in the hands of medical professionals.

I think it's because we don't even have enough masks for medical staff

So, pretend they are useless to prevent a surge in buying and depletion of stock

all the people debating the actual use of masks in this thread are fucking idiots.

a mask is better than no mask. end of story shut the fuck up.

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Imagine being this fucking stupid.

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I work at a grocery store and laugh everytime I see someone enter with a mask and gloves. Apparently the virus can live on objects for a couple of days so they could be potentially infecting themselves regardless. Don't waste your money on it unless you're unhealthy

You would do shit, jack. Maybe cry on Yas Forums. That’s it.

>muh gubbermint
Private health-related businesses say the same thing.

>if there aren’t enough masks, they won’t report to the hospital
it is physically impossible to do any kind of surgery without them. risk just outweights anything else

This. The majority of people are absolute morons

Because it's true, idiot. The benefit for public mask wearing is more or less limited to the SICK wearing the masks. The reason that medical professionals wear gowns, masks, face shields, gloves, is that they A) are in constant close direct contact with people who are VERY sick and B) they have other patients to attend to and so they need to make sure that they don't spread the illness around the hospital.

In fact, the public doesn't know how to wear these masks correctly let alone don and dof them right. If you are in public and you are exposed in a way that would make you sick without a mask, you are just as exposed with a mask. Because it's on your clothes, hands, face, hair, any other exposed surfaces on your body. The mask literally, if worn longer than 8 hours, even an n95 mask, becomes nothing more than a wet fucking rag because of breathing. The general public does not understand how to use them right. And the people that do are smart enough to realize that they need to wear cartridge respirator masks not paper ones.

Well, here 3 people already are facing a possible sentence for doing shit like that.
Which is a good thing because it stops shitty teenagers for 'jokingly' coughing at everyone.

>I work at a grocery store
>I don't wear a mask
NGMI

They're trying to shame people into not buying/ wearing masks so they can get more.

>Is it the not-so-subtle damage control concerning the shortage of masks for medical staff all over the world
YES

If I‘d shit in your face, you‘d be happy to wear a mask

the government also says you don't need gun, what do you think?

>Full face mask including goggles protects you perfectly.
A full gasmaks will protect you but it wont protect others from you cause the filters only filter air coming in but they expel the air you breath without filtering it. So if someone you know is sick, don't give him a gasmask, give him a medical one.

They want the doctors and nurses to have them so that they can take care of people that didn't have masks.
this

They want people to get infected and reach supposed herd immunity. Here they tell us that using masks spreads the virus even more so people should not use them. Also they say you can only get the virus from someone who is visibly sick, coughing and sneezing and only in 1m radius. It's been known to everyone that its spreading by asymptomatic carriers and airborne...

They will have to answer when all of this is over

But they wear masks, dont they.

I believe it would help on public transport or other places where you're sardined in there... Hell even the local shopping center.

> - it's about protecting those around you.
That's why in my country it's already mandatory to wear them at all times.
Yes, it protects the others also. The surgical masks don't do much more, but masks with proper filter DO offer protection against inhaling the virus. I envy your country for their mask stockpile if they can really afford good masks to everyone so that they can even enforce wearing one. If it is only those surgical pieces of shit, then not so much. The protection to others they offer can be achieved with clothing & other improvised means. Good/acceptable protection against infection offered by decent masks is hard to accuire with easy diy solutions.

It's the same as saying alcohol kills the virus. It doesn't. They just lie to you and tell you it does so you don't get sick with something else and waste everyone's time getting checked for corona.

>tl;dr: Probably somewhat useful in the right hands, but not very useful for most people and can probably do more good in the hands of medical professionals.
So how does exactly wearing a mask is not recommended if it's not doing any harm and it has SOME point of protection?

Most masks only stop coughs and sneezes going out. The holes in them are too big to prevent the virus from going in if someone coughs or sneezes around you. The masks that are designed to prevent it are for doctors and are in short supply.

CDC ARE A BUNCH OF LYING NIGGERFAGGOTS

>Apparently the virus can live on objects for a couple of days
[citation needed]

They share the same suppliers moron.

No, they wont.

No fucking surprise that someone behind a gay flag is only good at spewing out shit
>the public doesn't know how to wear these masks correctl
It takes 15 to 30 seconds to learn it
>. The reason that medical professionals wear gowns, masks, face shields, gloves, is that they A) are in constant close direct contact with people who are VERY sick and B) they have other patients to attend to and so they need to make sure that they don't spread the illness around the hospital.
But I'm not talking about any of these scenarios retard.

Feels good having bought a proper mask

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>. The holes in them are too big to prevent the virus from going in if someone coughs or sneezes around you.
You do realize you fell for the meme about the COVID being size of nano-meters but you don't have a slightest fucking clue about how it carries on and distributes, ain't it?

nothing.burger.

Wuhan Coronavirus Death Rate Far Lower than Thought, with 1.4 Percent Mortality

newsweek.com/wuhan-coronavirus-death-rate-china-mortality-covid-19-1493201

Crab people

if they truly dont work, why do they arm their own gov workers with them?

It was tested recently. Copper surfaces is 4 hours, wood about 24 and steel it can live several days on. Contagion risk is lower however. it's mostly spread through COOF and sneezes

Basic face masks are just comfortable spit shields, and N95 masks are just rated for their ability to prevent TB infections.
When you have the disease and you wear a mask, it acts a little bit like a filter, where most (but not all) of the respiratory secretions you release on coughing, sneezing, exhaling, talking etc. are caught in the snot guard because its a barrier right at the source (logically reducing the amount of pathogen released by a significant percentage, like 100->10-20), so an absolute risk reduction of say 80-90%, whereas a barrier between you and the external low risk environment (exception being around known cases) conceivably drops your exposure from 1% -> 0.1-0.2%, so an absolute risk reduction of 0.8-0.9%, so effectively negligible (assuming the barrier is 80-90% effective bidirectionally). Keep in mind the relative risk reduction in either case is still 80-90%, but the actual likelihood of it making a real difference is massive depending on the likelihood of your exposure (such as in healthcare settings, where it would be higher due to known exposure to numerous people who are confirmed as having it, and are symptomatic). The fact people don't know the difference between the two is one of the main reasons everyone is on some sort of fucking medication nowadays. Shit is more controlling of your life than interest rates if you don't understand it.
So when dahgubberment has to ration out who gets the stupid fucking things, it goes first to people who have disease, then people who are definitely exposed to the disease, then to people who just want some additional peace of mind.

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I'm a medic & I've been ordered to wear a mask anyone anyone suspected of being a carrier

[citation needed times two]

Yes it's a cope, they say it's useless but then they find 100k for prisoners and refugees

How do you diagnose if someone's suspected before you do the actual test? People fucking cough all the time from thousands of reasons.

The governments are just happy to deal with whoever's left, they could give a fuck about the locals.

what if we build copper armored hazmat suits

They clearly stated they want them to keep them safe.
You dont apply.

So a mask will help protect "them".
Mask wont protect "you".

So yes its propaganda to save on masks for personnel and medical staff.

I’m a firefighter medic, we wear n95s and eye protection, the ones of us that adhere to it haven’t gotten sick, we run on probably 10-12 covid symptoms a day the last week

>My boss takes the 1 mile ride to work in a Mercedes. That means my bike CANNOT get me to work.

They want the virus to spread. No joke. They've openly said that. They're all going for the "controlled spread" method vs containment strategy. Trying to build herd immunity.

im waiting on a delivery of mine before i leave the house again. dont risk it user. If you are able to find an m95 mask buy it if you want to come out the other side of this.

Helps keep you from coughing out germs as bad. Look at how well it works for Japan.

anyone thought maybe just wear a scarf?

Nip here. We’ve been wearing masks for decades. It’s mostly 1. Especially because China took over 3m’s factories in China, and are restricting export.

It will probably get you there, but the bike lane is so fucked you're going to get flat tires and busted wheels.

the virus is 200 microns. it wont stop it. only M95 filters can stop it. also you would have to wash that scarf every day bro

That's the problem. Our guideline is literally just anyone with a 'new' & 'persistent' 'dry' cough & /OR a temp above 37.8°
Those two symptoms have ALWAYS made up about 60-70% of the patients I see in a day
Situation is pretty fucked. Also I don't trust the masks we're being given. Not a great time to be a medic lads

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Yeah im not taking that gamble m8. I have a right to protect myself and my family as I see fit.

Learn the proper protocols and keep yourself and others safe.

Considering how much bad info they have been releasing (like people have to have symptoms to be contagious) I would not trust anything the Governments advises in this regard.

>And the people that do are smart enough to realize that they need to wear cartridge respirator masks not paper ones.

Show me medical staff dealing with Wuflu patients wearing p100.

Pic related.

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The masks are for people who already have it. They’re much more effective at blocking shit from getting out, rather than letting shit in apparently

Most people have no idea how to use them properly or take them off properly which actually increases their risk of infection. Also, this is not an aerosolized virus so n-95 masks are overkill for normal people. Doctors need them because the virus becomes aerosolized during intubation or anytime you are dealing with deep secretions. Honestly surgical masks are fine for most, but again you should know how to use and remove them and that they aren’t effective for very long once moisture starts to saturate it. Also also, yes the musical community is running low and need them much more than the average person does. I just found out a home medical supplies store at the end of my street is fucking stocked with masks. I own on buying many and donating them to local hospitals and nursing homes. But I sure as hell and taking some for myself in case shit does get worse.

Because they are all in it together for UN Agenda 21

Population Control (They discussed about it with nations in UN (United Nations) long time ago...from the start of 1992 in Rio de Janeiro Brazil)

thailandmedical.news/

Site can give some detail about Covid-19.

Anons if you have ignored it then it's the last call to make peace with God to save yourselves.

Most people I see using them are massive retards who aren't even wearing gloves or taking any other preventative measures. They are just dumb animals using the masks as a crutch to feel better about themselves.