Guns, Steel and Germs // Thread 2 // Race is not Real Edition

Shit environment created shit people.
Now shit people bring shit environment wherever they go.

>Zebras can't be domesticat-

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youtube.com/watch?v=qvaxPH3ftUQ
Here. The tl;dw is that Jared doesn't source any of his claims and basically he is pulling easily disproved statements out of his ass,

>Any good arguments against
Author is a jew

This was already thoroughly deconstructed and debunked. Diamond is nothing more than a white hating kike who peddles in blood libel for his own degenerate ends

Watch this if you can't read

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>shitty environment
It is vice versa. Africa is ideal environment for humans.
No winter so no need to build anything.
Very many wild fruits and animals so agricultural societies are not that more successful than wild ones. So Africa created a race of lazy retards with big dick and muscles to impregnate women instead of building anything. This is pretty obvious.
Also extensive jungle and lack of sea/river trade routes makes it harder to spread innovations.

imagine being this retarded

"From the very beginning of my work with New Guineans, they impressed me as being on the average more intelligent, more alert, more expressive, and more interested in things and people around them than the average European or American is." - Jared Diamond
This quote summarizes his work. He is drawing conclusions on hunches and what he feels is correct, mixed in with some antiwhite sentiments, when the opposite is true once you bring out a tool to quantify intelligence like an IQ test. Basically he is doing the opposite of science, he is taking a theory, doesn't test the theory but says it is correct because the theory sounds good on paper.

I wait for arguments

this

Liars get the rope.

Humans create their environment. If your surrounded by Africans, their genes are altering your environment.
It's a double dose of genes. People create countries.

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Good video

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>Humans create their environment
Humans develop the environment through work not create it

Op, there’s a component, that geography puts constraints and directs culture, but this shit went out of date almost 100 years ago with actual anthropologists.

Geographic deteminalisim is now just a cope on why black people fail in every civilized environment on the planet now. Even by the current pozzed up standards of social science it’s deprecated.

Bingo. Environment is NOT destiny. It’s potential.

It's weird how the white skull is so balanced and perfect, while the ethnic skulls are obtuse in their own odd ways. The Asian skull is creepy, feels off. Are whites the default, correct race?

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It’s really shitty and wrong. There are just a whole lot of bullshit suppositions like “it’s impossible to tame African wildlife” this conclusion he reaches by comparing a zebra to a modern horse and Cape buffalo and wilderbeast to a modern cow. Rather than against Proto horses and aurochs. Dumb shit like that, I know alt hype has a long video on the subject and nit picks through all this dumb shit

I'm with you bro but stop saying debunked.

Well yeah, from an individuals perspective, people are part of their environment. For the example, the genes of your parents are part of your environment. So your genes are interacting with your parents genes via the environment.

We constantly see White (European) skulls over and over and over again in art and culture. That is why the others look weird.

I have to laugh at leftist memes were they assert equality by cutting and pasting multiple European skulls and saying 'this is Asian'

Darwin's Cathedral. It's the new shit

Geography and isolation did cause Africa to be shitty, but it is only one of many reasons.
Diamond is wrong about the ability to domesticate, say zebras. He is right that those living in South America had no large beasts of burden with which to till the land or ride. In the Africans' case, they were too dumb to invent the wheel, and too dumb to learn anything when European or Arab traders came by. In the case of South Americans, there were limitations due to the local fauna.

He takes a partial truth and tries to use it to explain everything, which is the dumbest thing a historian can do. Of course a military historian would put more weight into military might driving history, a political historian would put more weight into leaders driving history, a geographic historian more weight into geography shaping it. But only a fool would pick one and call it the sole arbiter of destiny.

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Left radicals are so out of touch. The right hates this shit more than you lol

Did he ever try to mental gymnastics around pic related?

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>MuH nObLe SaVaGeS
Jared diamond is a retard. This books is bro Science tier nonsense.

This is really strange. You don't need to invent it yourself, niggers could easilly borrow from others, tgere was no full lack of contact

youtube.com/watch?v=-TL-lrDHPMo

This guys book actually supports that Whites have genetically superior immune systems.
I posted it on another board and the jan got btfo.

>Africa is ideal environment for humans
This might be a brainlet idea, but how did the environment in which humanity evolved to become modern man become the shittiest place for man? I mean we didn't evolve to live in europe. We evolved from africa and they want to tell us that the species that evolved there isn't suited?

>Alt Hype
>left radical
user

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Contrast that with when the high IQ Japs met Europeans and wanted to know all about their guns, how they work, and how to make them

yes, geography is an important factor, but not the only one. cognitive ability is another one, just as important (if not more). plus others. the real faggotry is focusing on one and pretending the others don't exist. (and you see it on both sides of the debate)
that being said go find collapse, it's a better read (especially now)

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You don't get it

His cope was that the rough environment made it unsuitable for widespread use of the wheel, and that local plants are not suitable for making them.

In other words just completely making shit up. It’s garbage like that is why we can say the theory his shit is based on is deprecated but his shit is flat out debunked.

JF gariepy did a good one you can find it on bitchute

I listen to alt hype and have seen more evidence before him that makes me believe in race
But I have heard this claim that variability from heredity means nothing. Say for example if, all else equal, a population ate the same, drank the same, everything equal, then you would say that height is 100% accounted for by the environment. However, we know that height is not 100% and therefore heredity cannot explain reliably.
This sounds like Jewish sophistry, and I'm not able to wrap my head around it.
My first instinct is that it's on a bullshit principle, but that's not a fair argument. My next thought is that we are looking for variation as explained by genetics alone, but the meanings are getting lost on me.

Interesting video about this exact scenario:
youtube.com/watch?v=xZnaCel6LdU

He kinda is. His economic views are not far off socialism

Japan went two steps further. They immediately tried exploring, and made it to Mexico, and they threw out the most important part of their society, the samurai system to copy the west.

He's a fatalistic idiot.

>They immediately tried exploring, and made it to Mexico, and they threw out the most important part of their society, the samurai system to copy the west.
>samurai system to copy the west
>immediately
That took circa 300 years mate. And was done forcefully. By you.
Fuck sake, I thought 'american education' was just a meme.

I like that guy's channel
Just primary source stuff with no agenda

I mean, for a slightly above average IQ user, he's been very disappointing lately

>are not far off socialism
And that's a good thing

No one actually takes Jared Diamond seriously.

Oh yeah I agree, I'm fairly in line with his opinions

They use such funny wording just to avoid saying only blacks have it and whites have neaderthal genes.

not really, diamond made a very good argument. but his argument does not contradict the fact that some cultures are just better than others. do you really think nigger culture is better than culture that values family and education. Be proud of your culture, learn from others culture's good or bad examples. don;t let these relativism bullshit poison your mind

Sounds jewish

Picrelated destroys the entire argument of this "book".

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He is in fact Jewish

He's just explaining the technical definition if heritability.

They can't understand what they did no create.

I would argue the West's success stems from aesthetics above all. The Greeks knew this. Beauty is worth fighting for on supremely deep level. That's why the West has been so cunning and successful, because it just feels right. Western culture looks the part and behavior follows.

Agree with everything except diamond made a good argument. He was being disingenuous on a number of occasions. No one disagrees that geography has an effect on society, but for someone to take the leap that this somehow refutes IQs role or that evolution in the brain doesn't exist is really stupid. His book doesn't even discuss IQ and chalks it up to 100% environment.

And what they cannot understand

>Any good arguments against Germs, Guns and Steel? Basically that geography and isolation caused Africa to be shitty and not Africans?
Yes. Ethiopia. They defeated the ottomans, the brits and the italians and build a working state that lasted from the medieval ages until ww2, was rebuild afterwards and lasted until the 70s.
Ethiopia only went to shit when the socialists took power and the west started embargoing.

Also, the german colonies as well as rhodesia. While they were unable to build a developed country on their own, while they were under colonialism, they were in rather good condition, then once the brits and french forced their 'liberation' (despite there being no segregation in those countries) they failed soon after.
Almost the same thing with south africa, except that there, they had segregation.

Seems not.

He used to be a lolberg and he seems to be moving from that to a spooky non-Marxist socialist, or at least supporting more interventionism, but I don't think he'll end up going all the way to the other side of the y-axis. I have very little to disagree with him on besides atheism though honestly.

That does sound like Jewish sophistry. I would think that if two populations are genetically identical but there's some major phenotypic difference between them then it'd be pretty safe chalking it up to some environmental difference, but if people are taking that case and extrapolating it to populations that aren't genetically identical that'd be pretty semitic of them.

Based

sometimes I wonder how much of humanity God intended when he started the universe
maybe niggers are just an aberration, a result of some early humans being retarded enough to mate with the monkey races
something's going on, hope I make it to heaven so I can get the full scoop

>tfw your first question once you cross the pearly gates is "so what's the deal with niggers?"

Based fellow pirate, you speak truth.

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No. They did it TWICE. I’m talking about the industrial revolution, where they copied German engineering, American millitsry, and,the idea of the British empire.

America forced trade with admiral perry but they didn’t order japan to go through the industrial revolution.

>more interested in things and people around them than the average European or American is.
meanwhile the average American or European is buying his books while island monkeys couldn't understand it if you made it their holy text

This argument came from some smug bastard refuting Alt Hype. He said that heritability is not a predictor of anything.
For example, if society decides that red hair people need to have their hand chopped off, then it is 100% explained by genes that the loss of a hand is explained by genes based on what would show in the data. Therefore, it doesn't mean anything. Replace red hair with black skin and you go from there.
It's a dumb argument but just wanted to hear your thoughts.
>Link
youtube.com/watch?v=2FcpNZ2BEgY

Yes, and now extrapolate what happens when you take socialism to the point where you give out stuff to people for free. It's literally creating a nigger environment.

Actually they don't suck that much. You could expect worse. Sure they cant into STEM but they are pretty functional otherwise

leftists hate this book now because it also implies that africans are shitty, it just isn't their fault. that was old lefitst denial, but they are in a constant state of updating their lies to better keep themselves convinced.

He never said or wrote this.

Zeihan is more correct than Diamond, but Diamond is more correct than most.

Well I could also think that his example implies that everyone is already the same so he's doing a bait and switch? Idk it just sounded funny. I mean we want to know what percentage of intelligence is only genetic. I think he's fucking with the meaning of heritability variation.

Link here:

When japan beat Russia in Manchuria, which was part of the collapse of the czars and the rise of the soviets, they were in full westaboo mode. Look at their uniforms, government, ect. They saw the success of euros and were trying to learn from them and copy the fuck out of them.

youtube.com/watch?v=KbiSz_YummQ

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Jewish anthropologist always write with an agenda. This not science it's political propaganda.

Even just looking at Europe itself.
When Rome fell, tons of knowledge and techniques were gone, not to be reinvented/discovered until centuries later. Roman organization was gone, which left production in decline.
These things were not caused by geography, but by culture, politics, and technological knowledge.

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Who’s this most you speak of? Geographic determinalisim is as dead as Freud.

>They defeated the ottomans, the brits and the italians and build a working state that lasted from the medieval
Their country was entirely built on foreign influence and still shit, no cultural achievement, no architecture, no science or anything. Niggers can sometimes defeat foreigners militarily look at zulus, thats not the point. Europeans respected Ethiopia as kind of equal cause it is christian. This is main cause for its independence. We helped them against italians.
Their economy is even worse then african median so it can't be explained by socialism solely

They're anything but functional out here. A single negro family will behave as its community does but once you have a community of negroes it all goes to shit. The amount of playing referee with their chimpouts, little mock tribal wars they call "gang fights", and garbage attitudes they carry even towards each will drain your society of resources and patience. They truly have no business existing in any complex societies.

He hates nazis and authoritarianism

pol is the retarded little brother in the stupid fucking Yas Forums family.

livinganthropologically.com/archaeology/guns-germs-and-steel-jared-diamond/

The alternative hypothesis went over this book.

We'd have been exploring Alpha Centauri right about now if the filthy germanics didn't destroy based Rome.

This is a good resource for you guys to check out in the unlikely event you haven't heard of it.
Basically pol made into uncucked wikipedia

en.metapedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel