Lets have a high IQ thread :^)

What happens when a bunch of hook nosed psychotic inbreds and their minions micromanage your life in a way there are no choices to be made except the ones they let you choose?

But imagine what it would be like if sequences of choice were not predetermined. Imagine a non-deterministic universe where anything could theoretically happen. You walk into work one day, and your boss is a hippo in a banana suit. Does that mean you have more free will, or less?

I would argue that free will needs a strong foundation in order to exist, and that foundation is determinism.

There is no free will because there is no self to initiate that will only an illusion of a doer. There is no "you"

all choices are derived from ones environment you mong, that's no argument against it at all

Is listening to inner monologue and then doing opposite.

you always have the choice to obey and be subservient or not

this is like saying, "let's have an anime thread" and expecting Japanese people to start rolling in.

> you can always argue that a sequence of choices was predetermined
You can pull that explanation out of your ass, but can you always track the chain of events who led to the choise? No? So, go back to your synagogue.

The mind works in a superset of reality.

More like a slide thread.

Free will is what separates the next evolution of man from the letzer mensch. The Theory of Positive Disintegration makes the claim that most people will never truly develop introspective thought or a proper sense of self. These same people do not have free will, because they have not developed personality, only group-mindset. Those that have endured isolation and come out on the other side have introspection and self, at the cost of seeing the world looking in from the outside. These people have free will.
We can also conclude, through the same theory, that men are more likely to develop free will than women, since women are less likely to experience the same isolation as men.

i've never seen a lower IQ thread in my terrible beleaguered dog ass life

There is no mind, no reality

Bla blah blah just fucking pray and it'll all be fine

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>What is free will?
It is the full spectrum of possibilities the Universe uses to experience itself, and at the same time it is own ability to do so.
> what is the will?
Pure Thought, Consciousness itching to just EXPERIENCE ANYTHING

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Fpbp

Read that again.

*choice

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Prayer is just LAO you dumb negro

No jewshit here, plox.

Choices being predetermined doesn't negate the fact that it is a choice.

Free will and determinism are not mutually exclusive.

Legislative Analyst's Office

here's your you, disproving your point entirely

The law of confusion ,

Not Jew shit. There is no mind, the fact that objectivity doesn't exist proved that. Everything perceivable is subjective

I did, unless you lobotomize someone, they will retain some semblance choice, even if they perceive none, suicide or even homicide is an option in your scenario.

What you are referring to is institutionalization, which does not actually rob someone of their will, but rather shapes the persons day to day living arrangements.

Certifiably based and also quite redpilled

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this is what I've come to believe. it's simplified my life quite a bit to come to that conclusion.

>There is no mind,
>Everything perceivable is subjective

Imagine being this self contradictory. The if there's no mind, there's no subject. Thus nothing is subjective.

Our soul has many competing aspects. We are free to will the aspect of our choosing, and order the rest under it.

Free will doesn't make any fucking sense. I mean we're made of atoms, right? And the behaviour of atoms is determined, so our actions must also be determined.
On the other hand why do we have consiousness? If there's no free will, no spirit or whatever you call it, why aren't we just organic machines without consciousness?

The ability to self actuate.

>High IQ
>Free Will vs determinism debate

damn you stole my post.

>The if there's no mind, there's no subject. Thus nothing is subjective.
This is what I'm saying. I was meaning that phenomena is subjective in that there are tons of ways of viewing and assessing a situation. This debunks objective reality and reality in general

Have you seen True detective season 2?

>What is free will?
you're too low IQ to understand. sorry.

you assume human biology creates consciousness, rather than just acts as a receiver for it

Free will is not about whether your actions are determined. They are. And if they weren't, that wouldn’t mean you’re free either.

To understand free will we need to understand what “intentions” are. An action is free if the agent intended to perform it, and that intention was part of the direct causal chain leading the action (even if that causal chain was deterministic).

Intentions are like internal states of your mind. They can be explained with physics or not. What matters is that they are the activity of the identity.

I’m other words, you have free will if you are deciding what to do, not something else. It’s not that hard.

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Ultimately the question of identity is more fundamental than will. Once you can identify the agent, it’s will is clear.

I don't know what you're talking about because you use words in a sloppy way.
The existence of subjective viewpoints does not negate the concept of objective reality.

However, the existence of subjective viewpoints DOES negate the concept that there are not subjects (minds).

Fair enough. You're will is free if it is what you would will?

11/9 top kek

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Free will is destroyed by the laws of biology and genetics. Biology is all there is, the mind is a total myth

An illusion but one we are not always concious of, and not one many people are willing to try to look past because they would have to think hard and that would ultimately be more uncomfortable than the result that they would get from thinking that hard. Their worldview would crumble and their concerns would shift. They are too comfortable to fuck with what they have.

>The existence of subjective viewpoints does not negate the concept of objective reality.
Yes it does. Also, every belief and viewpoint can be ruthlessly contradicted. Trust me, you will never find an objective reality or "truth". Nothing exists in the "mental" sense, nominalism.
>However, the existence of subjective viewpoints DOES negate the concept that there are not subjects (minds).
While the mind is unreal, there is still only one "scope" or "mind" yes. There is no unique "mind" yes. We live in a thoughtsphere

The will is a person's ability to realize agency and want or desire onto the world. To operate from need is not will but survival. Once one has many necessities taken care of they can then operate from want. And the strength of will determines how far they can bring their want into the world. "I am able to do this, I want to do this, and here is how I'm going to do it."

Freedom is the magnitude of which a person can do things without restriction or external checks. You can think if freedom as the set of actions that person can commit without external obstacles.

To have free will is to have a large set of possible actions which are unchecked and which are also based not on necessity but on want.

Free will is freedom from instinct. Most living mammals behave on instinct. No amount of convincing is going to talk a lion into biting his paw until it draws blood. He just won't do it.
You can offer me a million dollars to bite my hand and draw blood, and I might do it. Because I have free will outside of instinct.
> To take it further, what is the will?
Ah now you're coming to the thing nobody knows. What is the will? What is consciousness? Where does it come from? Nobody knows that.

Why can't biology create a mind as an evolutionary tool?

Wasn’t it a movie with some faggy kid and a whale or a fucking tuna fish or some fucking thing like that?

Free will is you and all your fellow god-particles in the cosmic writer's room hammering out the play you're going to act in for the next xx-billion years, and then acting in it

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>What is free will?
progenitor of directed manifestation
>To take it further, what is the will?
check your id

The mind serves as a tool to remind ie memory so in that way the subject/object dilemma we are in was an answer to the fear and unknown that surrounded us long long ago. Maybe this happened due to psychedelic juices or shrooms and passed down to us via the genes. No clue

You're showing your age now, boomer.

>Free will is destroyed by the laws of biology and genetics.
People regularly manipulate their biology and in some cases their genetics with medicine. Through their free will they defeat their biology. And the free will of all the researchers and medical practitioners enabled them to do so.

>Lets have a high IQ thread
>What is free will?

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Biology and genetics has nothing to say on the matter one way or the other.

The capacity to choose despite the omnipotence of our Creator.

> Trust me, you will never find an objective reality or "truth". Nothing exists in the "mental" sense, nominalism.
I mean, you must know that you're wrong. Even if we were to accept your philisophical position as being unassailable (we don't), you still must know that you're wrong about that... just from a common sense point of view, right? You're an ape. When you reach out and touch a table, you're touching something. It's really there.
I think the exercise of proving you wrong is very lengthly, so I don't want to do it... but you must know it already. Isn't that right?

It's seems to me that you're a solipsist that also denies the mind... that's a very strange position to me. I don't get it.