Capitalist scum btfo'd forever

>Labour holds value
No shit sherlock that's why capitalism exists so you can get payed for that labour, instead of having it stolen.

>Flag
Fuck you commie bastard, Melbourne should be nuked.

No, retard. What they're saying is that the only thing valuable is labor. It's a sneaky commie trying to shill for Marx. Read a book for once in your life.

>stock market based on speculation of companies worth
>companies get no shipments of raw materials and no shipments out of product
>markets cut off by quarantine
>Stupid socialists think their stupid labor matters

No. Holy fuck everytime I post this graph you conservative retards misread it. LOOK at the graph, you idiot. The RATE of increasing productivity didn't suddenly skyrocket in 1973 or thereafter. It was a steady growth. It's the WAGES that stopped growing. Jesus Christ. Fucking morons. Not that it would make any difference even if it HAD been for computers because the point is that everyone should be sharing in that gain even if it comes from technology.

so why are you posting on Yas Forums? in here, most are fascists and fascism is anti-capitalist (as well as anti-communist). fascism puts value in the person, not the individual. one has a personality and matters in the fascist state. the other is just a number in a statistic (capie/commie state)

also, you're a champagne socialist and a salon bolshevist. i bet your hands are more delicate than that of a woman because you've never actually worked a day in your life.

labour holds no value if there is no demand for it numbnuts. no one pays you to post garbage on this board, or to make your own meal, or to vacuum your house.

Give us the quantifiable meaning of productivity as defined by the origin of that chart and explain why it should rise comensurate with hourly wages, and why a lack of regulation is at fault

Labor is a commodity you communist swine

user........
If your employers are making more money on your labor, because your labor is more valuable and therefore leading toward more production, then yes, you should obviously get a higher wage. Holy fucking shit. Fucking psychopathic conservative retard.

And yeah obviously lack of regulation and the fucking tax code that favors the rich is to blame for this. I don't need to provide anything to prove this, it is quite clearly self-evident.

even if OP was right (he's a faggot), it always amazes me that they use twitter posts to sway the far right

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Excuse me, this is a righty safe space. Blaming the righties might upset them, so it's not allowed.

>Excess value of your labor
Stop

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>t. 115 IQ college sophomore

I think it's just a little more complicated than that

>>Productivity vs compensation
>Computers

This right here. You can see the inflection point right on the graph, in between the time of the Apple II and the IBM PC.

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Secessio Plebs actually works

You're basically just openly advocating for slavery.

Yes but those poor exploited workers jobs will disappear too. Lmao why are communists all so stupid. Stcoks dive because of fear and speculation. It has nothing to do with class. Cashier jobs could all be gone tomorrow as well if companies go under.

Laborers are free to form their own businesses where they keep 100% of profit.

Please, explain that one to us

This is due entirely to the domination of libertarian Austrian school free market policy started in the 50’s by the mont pelerin society.

>Computers
Err, can you explain to me how computers explain the bifurcation? I honestly don't get it.

It’s plunging because regular people, blue collar workers (some even in unions), are selling their ownership shares in companies. This argument is mega retarded.

>No natural resources depleted
That is actually effectively what is happening. We don’t produce natural resources/labor intensive goods since we are a capital intensive country. Our production specializes in high tech goods. With no shipping due to coronavirus, that is effectively the same as being cut off from natural resources. It’s not capitalism btfo, it’s globalism.
If everyone was able to work tomorrow but we still had no shipping and couldn’t move materials freely state/country borders, we would still have the same result. Remember friends, communists are retarded and have less understanding of economics than a 3rd grader!

The market is tanking because cheap Fedmoney was the only thing keeping equity prices up for years and it's finally gotten to the point where they have nothing left to cut and even the most deluded of fund managers can't convince themselves that the economy is 'healthy' when you can walk outside and nobody is on the street.

>MUH SAFE SPACE
I dont see anyone getting banned/downvoted

I need to explain that computers increase productivity at less work?

>your labor is more valuable and therefore leading toward more production, then yes, you should obviously get a higher wage.

Then ask your employer for one. If they won't, then find another employer who will give you what you want.

It's that easy, nigger.

>Capitalist scum btfo'd forever

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>labour
Opinion discarded

Weird how the laborers aren't able to produce wealth without capital and management.

I mean shit, if its just labor making wealth then you should be able to sit at home running in circles to make wealth right comrade?

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Imagine if these commies actually did something for once instead of bitching on twitter.

Why don't you invest in the stock market then?
Buy an etf of the sp500 instead of weed and you'll be much better.

>Marx

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>>Productivity vs compensation
>Computers
can you explain in a little greater detail the relationship you are implying?
as far as i know, workers are still required to operate computers

No, but so did other tools? Like steam engines, and what not. What so different with the computers?

I don't think any capitalist, ever, has claimed that we don't need the workers and consumers to keep the economy going.

It's not labour it's the consuming of non essential items that has slowed

Value coming from labor isn't anti capitalist you idiot.

Computers represent a much more dramatic increase in human productivity at less human labor cost than previously before

I'm an employer. I want to make 10 prints of a book.
I can hire ten scribes or one man with a word processor. Which one is more productive? Is there any reason average wages should track with this productivity?

Such is the level of chapo tranny intellectuals.

Wow guys, Im so glad that trump is going to give us $1000 to immediately turn over to our landlords, the IRS, and grocery stores. It makes me completely forget the systems that brought us here, and thank God this horrible pandemic is only gonna last one pay cycle because I don't know what I'd do if this lasted more than 3 weeks which it absolutely won't. Why, I don't even feel like revolting against the elite and bringing real change anymore, let's all just go to sleep and enjoy the scraps left behind in the morning

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non-essential labor has slowed as well
yet no one wants to talk about that

Yea it comes from all the people's labor in China.
That's why the stocks are falling you dumb ass inbreds. I know you're a disingenuous Jew anyways.
But Chinese and Japanese will work to their bones. And slave. And commit suicide. They wake up at 4am every day and have miserable fucking lives.
And you have to compete with them in the global market as an employee. It's the reason you can't get paid shit. Because the corporations found their slaves in the commie world.

More like most of that value comes from ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

All that value comes from stock buyback programs...

It's feminism and movement to a comoletely fiat currency when we left the gold standard. Along with competition from European markets after managing to recover fully from WW2 and the emergence of eastern markets opening to the US (China) during their split with the USSR.

Anything else is a LARP.

Better jobs than neet commies? Lmao

bro that was not a problem that was solved inthe 1970s. Gutenberg already invented the printing press like 6 centuries ago.
If anything the advent of computing generating more work and more devices to be operated than without it.

It's an analogy

>socialism

>no food ever

>capitalism

>any goods I want delivered to my door by amazon

You're basically an idiot.

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> at less human labor cost than previously before
Isn't it based on wages?
My point is that graph is weird, bordering on being senseless (like famous

I agree user. Saying "Computers" as the be all end all is lazy thinking. pretty sure other countries got computers as well.
The American productivity vs compensation divergences is probably just globalization at work.The hollowing out of the manufacturing sector with the concurrent shift towards a service economy, while a race-to-the-bottom pricing strategy meant all consumed goods become Chinese, further eviscerating the homeland's manufacturing

You’re the brainlet. Globalism is a result of free market capitalism and the removal of protections and regulations by its proponents.

>people no buy stocks
>stock price go down
>wtf capitalism btfo

Except it’s not.

Lol. The drop in the stock market has nothing to do with labor. It has to do with the future profitability of the companies. The corona is making the future uncertain so it makes them a riskier investment and therefor lowers the price. Its hilarious when one stupid communist makes a completely misinformed statement then some other communist uses it as proof of their own stupid ideas.