National Socialism is not facism

Debatable about the specifics of what classifies as a dictator. Most would say no, as Monarch's inherited through bloodlines and not through violent like your regular dictators. I'd say yes, in practice the government is identical in setup and application.

If Hitler did nothing wrong, he wouldn't have shot himself in a bunker after losing WW2.

Watch Leon degrelle’s epic story of the waffen ss kike also he didn’t gain power through violence

True fascism is the basis that the state and the people are one and the same. There is no difference other than title that separates representative and those represented.
Hitler defines the state as a tool, a means to an end as your own pic related says, in fascism the basis is the exact same imeven if Mussolini defines otherwise. The reason you see discrepancy is because gulliani gentile was a ghost writer for much of Mussolini’s publications whereas Hitler’s writings were solely his own while in prison.

I didn't say he did? I said most people would say dictators have to have obtained power through violence, and I disagree with that.

The Nazi's had good uniform design, but generally they were fools. Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism, it's all the same malarkey. Fuck off.

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The only fool is you kike Leon degrelle’s documentary proves it

>no true Scotsman

>it’s all the same

Just because mass imprisonment and death is involved with authoritarianism doesn’t make it all the same.

It just means you’re a coward who relies on false promise of democracy, where corporations and global interests have made your representatives sell out your own nation for profit, that’s what capitalism and supposed democracy gets you.

And what does National Socialism get you? A dictator.

It doesn't matter how much Hitler loves you. It doesn't matter how much his successor, or theirs', or even fifty successors down the line love you.

Eventually, you're going to get a Stalin. Your country will crumble under corruption, poverty, famine, and disease. Then you will huddle in your corner burning furniture wondering what went wrong.

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What? That fallacy isn’t even possible with what I’m saying. I’m not saying Italian fascism and German national socialism are different an incomparable - I’m saying they’re the same thing.

Why didn't Hitler allied with Communists who wanted to abolish the state alltogether? Checkmate librul
Seriously though, if you unironically believe in this, you have severe mental issues. Not to mention that Hitler never wanted to abolish the state to begin with.

Yes, a dictator, a commander. The entire country becomes its own military - and that military needs a commander.

>eventually you get a Stalin

Hint : Stalin was better for the Soviet Union than trotsky or Lenin ever were.
Purging Jews and faggots altogether.

just because you have a shitty dictator monty doesnt mean theyre inherently bad
read mein kampf you brainlet hitler didnt care what government they had as long as it was led by aryans

They aren’t the same though as the op image outlines and many national socialists like George Lincoln Rockwell and William Pierce have made the distinction between natsoc and facism.
Mosley was cool though

retard stop dividing us scholomono

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Ah yes. Stalin was wonderful for the Soviet Union huh? Tell me, where exactly on a map is the Soviet Union? Who exactly won the cold war? Which country between Russia and the US copied the others' government in an attempt to be even slightly as wonderful as the other?

You're a fucking retard if you think killing degenerates is all you need to do to make a country run wonderfully.

And yet, he was a Dictator. He didn't listen to his council, and made himself the most important person to ask(Despite not really having any qualifications for anything.) I'm sure on paper he said all sorts of nice things he didn't actually do.

Not saying Mussolini or Mosley weren’t based in their own way just that the ideologies aren’t interchangeable

*as long as it was made of the same race, thay is why he loathed austria hungary, germans became a minority in their parliament

this
the difference is such a who cares its not even worth discussing
both were united against modernity
because they differed on a few policies doesnt mean theyre totally different

and what country is more united in cultural solidarity while the other has never been more divided?
>dictator bad
hitler was very considerate of his council, many times too much
stop with this alternate history level of stupid
>no qualifications
rebuilt germany still
did he not meet your requirements of a phd in leadership? a leader either can or cant and he did lead. this is a non argument

there was a lot of disagreement over the slavs but its pretty clear theyre the same race. he was still correct that this cultural tension was not a good idea for long term governance

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Which country is now responsible for the global corporate empire that starts wars all over the globe to satisfy their expansionist economy fueled by homosexuals, perverts, urbanism, and materialism mixed in with atheism?

Which means those claiming otherwise are fucking larpers.

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If you think Russia is what we should aspire to be then feel free to fuck right off to Russia. You've likely never been, nor met anyone from Russia. Especially not someone from the actual USSR. If you had, you might know how absolutely retarded you sound.

Dictators' are not inherently bad. But the position of Dictator opens up the ability for a Stalin to come in and fuck your country up.

And yes, Hitler was able to bring one of the most destitute countries in the world out of extreme recession. But then he lost it all because of bad idea after bad idea. Now Germany is a cucked little shithole thanks to him.

Israel.

>Israel
I wonder who Israel uses as their international bulldog

That's kind've cringe, bro. I would perhaps concede that National Socialism does not require totalitarianism in every instance, but in any modern instance, where extra-national citizens exist in every single country on Earth, it does require totalitarianism, since those people need to be identified, organized, and removed.

National Socialism in any practical application is totalitarian, and every practical application of totalitarianism in the history of the world has been permanent, until discharged of the threat of, or act of, violent opposition.

Enjoy the fact that our highest ever recorded gas prices in the US have never reached what current gas prices in most of Europe are right now.

The entitlement to sit in the best country anywhere on the world and scream about how you'd rather be in a failed state. It's palpable.

The best country in the world starved 1 million Iraqi kids in an embargo over weapons of mass destruction that never existed

Coincidentally oil fields and lithium mines were found though.

no true scotsman is just something brainlets say if you ever preface something with "real" or "true." because they're idiots who don't understand what the fallacy actually requires. by typing "actually," i've just committed a no true scotsman fallacy in their smoothbrained minds.

>THINK OF THE POOR IRAQI CHILDREN!!!
>t. Guy who praises Hitler and Stalin for being great for their countries.

>you said russia is better therefore we should be russia
stop with this baby thought process
>stalin
enemy of the russian people
direct policy to russians based on ideology
jewish government
>hitler
saved the german people
did not kill germans
non jewish government
>inb4 its hitlers fault the allies invaded
>b...but they are both the same
no
one had an ideology based on materialism
one had the ideology based around the race

Go back faggot

>it's a baby thought process to derive that if i think something is better, it means i think we should do that thing instead
Okay, so you admit you'd rather be in the US than Russia despite the US somehow being worse?

>stalin
Dictator.
>hitler
Dictator.

It doesn't matter how much Hitler loved his people if he caused Germany to collapse again. Your ideology of race means nothing if you end up losing and causing your country to be what modern day Germany is.

Hypocrisy, you blame Hitler and Stalin for authoritarianism yet You’re fine with America being used as the world’s dictator? You know that “global elite” you’re so afraid of? Americans ARE the global elite. Obsessed with money, no faith, no care in the world for who is killed in the name of war and death - yet when Hitler wishes to do away with degenerates and actual communist Jews you shy away from it.

Tell me one detail about national socialist economics. Just one.

You understand that AMERICA is what caused germany to lose world war 2 right?
LMAO

State and capital should serve the nation. Totalitarianism. Whereas being simply subservient to a state for its own sake is more authoritarian, and not ideal. I think most nationalists agree with this.

The rest is pedantry.

The US isn't the worlds' dictator. If you knew anything about history you'd understand why the US holds the position it does now, and why we're moving away from it.

Yes, I do. It doesn't matter what fancy words you put on your government, and how much you claim it's the best, if it all comes crashing down due to greedy militaristic pursuits.

It doesn't matter if you tell the government to serve you if you let them take away your guns and control the police, and military. Enjoy your authoritarian dictatorship.

no. as has been stated by people multiple times
the fallout from ussr and germany are totally different
russia has been fucked from this
however the us is a globalist police force that is destroying the world
i simply stated that russia is better than the us in this position
obviously the us is wealthier but i could be to if i dropped my morals and became a soul crushing corporate machine
we are arguing on false equivalency here
GDP is not the only measure of goodness
its mind-boggling they blame hitler for being attacked

Sbpb. Fkn woke as fuck. DEATH TO NAZI’S AND INCELS!!!

Fascism is trash
Lunga vita ai romani

but the nazis didnt take away guns

>the u.s isn’t the worlds dictator
>is the entire reason that the U.N and NATO can stay afloat financially and militarily

Lmao just shut the fuck up dude

You still can’t name one specific economic policy from national socialism

Then move to Russia, fool. GDP is not the only measure of "Goodness" but we beat Russia out in just about every single metric for standards of living.

You do realize that Germany declared war on the US after the US defended itself vs Pearl Harbor, correct?

It doesn't matter what policy I tell you, the reason I'm ignoring your request is because it's irrelevant. It would take ten seconds for someone to google a policy, and it will take you one second to sperg out about some stupid shit again. Nazi Germany is a FAILED and FALLEN state. No amount of fantasizing about papa Hitler is going to let you live there.

Tell that to anyone who the Nazi party decided wasn't allowed to have a gun. Once you give the government the authority to decide who can and cannot have a firearm, you give them the opportunity to take away your gun at a moments notice.

National Socialism doesn't have respect for the traditions of is people. It only cares about race.
Fascism doesn't make a distinction between the two.
That's why it didn't attach the peoples traditions and religion,unlike hitler in Germany.

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>then move to russia
by that logic, if people dont like being poor they should move to america
>we beat Russia out in just about every single metric for standards of living.
ill say this one last time
russias policy of nationalism is better than the us policy of internationalism
why is this so fucking hard to understand

>the party says no guns
yes if the party which is upstanding and is cleaning the country says that a jew or a faggot shouldnt have a gun then i 100% support that
who do you think the party is moron? not some secret cabal like we have here whos every waking moment is to fuck us.
i am a national socialist. why would a national socialist not want a national socialist to have a gun?

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>if people don't like being poor
Yes, correct. If you're a doctor in India, you'll make significantly less money than if you move to the US. I'm glad you're getting it.
>russias policy
What exactly does Russia beat us in besides your vague "unification" criteria?

>gun control
Here's a thought experiment for you. The government makes it illegal for felons to own guns. The government, is also the one who decides what a felony is.

What is stopping the government from saying that X thing you do/like doing, is now a felony? Or, to simply proclaim you a felon, as they also rule both the police and prison system?

>foreign doctors should come to america
ok we're done here free market lolbertarian
>russia policies
you just made youre own defense saying that becuase you didnt have exact policies for natsoc that it doesnt matter
russia clearly is not as interfering as the us is in international affairs
case in point our funding of the UN

>gun control
>if duh government makes a law and then you break it you cant have a gun dats bad
youre right. lets live in an ancap society because all laws interfere with the nap
the government makes laws dipshit. but you know if you dont like a law. you can just leave to russia.
what possible felony would be so ridiculous? felons should not own guns.

What X thing would be banned? give an example because your thought experiment is way to open ended.
All you are doing is making an argument that government is bad by nature and its a large lolbertarian assumption

since you love democracy so much
what happens when people vote for no guns?
you hate dictators so clearly the alternative must be democracy.
what makes democracy so much smarter?

It isn't about being a freemarket lolbertarian. It's about the truth that if you move to the US, you will make more money and pay less for your standard of living.

I'm not asking about Russia's policies, I'm asking about their statistics. Russia is a shithole. Is your only argument really that America is so wealthy that we're wasting excess money on UN funding?

And no, the Government is preventing from making certain laws thanks to our already prevalent firearm market, and the constitution.

Here's an example for your X becomes a felony, Political Dissidents. Which, if you've paid any attention to China at all, is anyone who says anything anti-china, criticizing china, or even just brings up facts that China doesn't want public.

The United States is not a Democracy, try again retard.

>US good. Russia bad.
no i just gave one example. can you really say the us is not an unnecessary global presence?
>our guns stop the government
oh wow then you do support mass immigration. cuz if you didn't you'd just stop them right?
yes political dissidents should be executed. i have no time for treasonous jews or homosexuals. just because the government makes a law doesn't mean that its bad.

>Here's an example for your X becomes a felony, Jews, Niggers, and Faggots.
yeah you're right i wouldn't want that
>dur hur its a republic not a democracy
yeah ok like you didnt know what i meant. stop screening and just get to the point

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The US currently is the only reason why Germany can order things from Japan. We patrol the worlds' oceans and prevent piracy, as well as hostile invasions by for instance China every time they go too close to Japan, or Taiwan. Look up the history of NATO to understand why we're in this position, and why we're moving out of it.

Legal immigration is fine, illegal immigration is being dealt with.

You do realize that this level of shittalking your host country would get you jailed in China, right? The idea that the government would only do things that you like and that corruption doesn't exist so you can just give your soul up to the government is retarded.
youtube.com/watch?v=2dPaVk4G1jg

A Republic is better because otherwise, California would basically rule any vote that was made on anything. Hillary Clinton would be President, if we were a democracy.

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>Legal immigration is fine, illegal immigration is being dealt with.
Fuck you. Legalizing murder doesn't make it okay, and neither does legalizing an invasion.
Pull your head out of your ass, you stupid faggot.

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So no different from democracy then

It isn't an invasion for people to move to the United States. If your concern is "MUH WHITE PEOPLE" get to breeding and encourage more white babies. Banning brown people isn't going to suddenly fix our birth rates.

Yes, quite different from Democracy.

Blacks are even human.

>US does some good things
In the current social order sure the US is a facilitator of things. In the long run this will lead to globalism. You sound like a trump supporter not a neo con so im not sure why you are making this argument.

>Legal immigration is fine, illegal immigration is being dealt with.
Non-white immigration is not fine. period.

>shittalking my government
I didn't say a government was perfect. Totalitarianism however is much better for a cohesive society than believing that the government is evil incarnate. National socialists dont have a problem criticizing their government. not sure where you got this from.
China doesn't allow it
Natsocs do.
Again, you have to shake this false dichotomy.

>republics are better
I think they are prone to not doing anything and are bad, but Rockwell didn't think so and thought it was compatible. Nazism doesnt demand dictatorship. the ultimate end is not a dictatorship.

You know you're clearly a smart guy we just disagree on our political principles
thanks for the bants

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The US is pulling out of its' globalist activities, but you can't exactly just disband NATO in a month.

Have more white babies, stop worrying about brown babies.

One(1) Natsoc leader maybe allowed some of it. Who knows if his successor would?

The ultimate end requires dictatorship (and a lucky dictatorship without liars or corrupt politicians) unless you completely eradicate every person who has a different opinion.

I hope you grow out of your Nazi phase some day. I think you should do some research into China to see what happens when a government has too much power. Social credit score is a good starting point. Yes, in a perfect world where everyone is a nice person who all wants to help eachother and believe the same things, I'm sure Natsoc works wonderfully. But, you know? Those are the same criteria for Communism to work.

NatSoc was a FORM of fascism distinct from Italian Fascism.