Tell me Yas Forums where does economic value come from?

Tell me Yas Forums where does economic value come from?

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defined by customers.

how can an economy have value when economies aren't real?

Human action

it's like 'common sense' - it comes from a vague unspoken consensus and is subject to change with the times

From workers and labor theory of value

Communists are the reason why we have a pandemic in the first place. Patriot squads should hunt down and squash every last commie cockroach

based and barter-pilled

US airlines are expected to fail within a couple months because they used 96% of their profits to buy back stock for 15 years. Now they have no cash.

Bootstraps, and side gigs. Ya hear that, airline owners? Bootstraps and some side gigs. Suck it up, save your beans and you'll make it back in a few years.

America doesn't have any Communists. That's China.

WHAT? Source?

Demand. Labor theory of value is retarded. You are a faggot.

Oh god yes, please make this happen. The U.S. gubmint can only bail out so many industries for so long. The problem with capitalism is that eventually corporations run out of the government's money.

>Labor theory of value is retarded.
So all the CEOs should be able to run their corporations all by themselves, right?

there are definitely communists in America, just not in power

I know that it's hip n shit to pretend on here that everyone that isn't a monopoly man are retarded plebs that should be grateful for the opportunity their masters give them but come on.

Even by your own admission, it is demand that creates value. Without workers, the value of workers increases as there are shortages and employers are forced to pay more to keep the ones they can get in order to keep up production and services which as end products have value.

Clearly the labor theory of value is more or less correct. It's just a lot of faggots like yourself have been brainwashed into thinking they're in on the scam and as it goes "americans are not exploited poor, they're temporarily embarrassed millionaires" to paraphrase.

It's especially ironic for this board in particular that idolizes national socialism/hitler/etc to an extent at least to constantly reject socialism at face value despite how successful it was at literally every level.

>The problem with capitalism is that eventually corporations run out of the government's money.
10/10, I'll be spreading that one from now on, fucking excellent.

t. Retarded pleb

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Just google “airlines bankrupt”
You’ll see reputable sites with quotes from insiders.

I saw this on msnbc earlier today

gold coins and oranges

You have no clues about anything you troglodyte

You can tell from the picture he's a fat nu-male mindlessly supporting the femininst imperative. Socialism and all its ilk are anti-masculine.

>REEE EVERYTHING SHOULD BE FREE

So explain it to us. If labor has no value, then why can workers not showing up tank a company??

If i replace a worker by a machine, where's the value coming from?

Correct.

That won't happen because the libertarianistic mentality you espouse means no one will ever do a thing to protect the country if they're not getting paid.

Nazbols are the new furrys

Labor is as valuable as you and your fellow workers are willing to pressure the corporations and government to make it valuable.

Labour theory of value fails when I see sadass art majors crying that they should get paid for their pathetic scribbles just because they made them.

Basically supply and demand.
Everything else on top of food, shelter, transport, fuel, clothing, water, basic entertainment/luxuries is defined by culture(mostly capitalist trend culture) and low IQ mob based social tendencies.

So now after this crisis, this guy should start a company and employ a good 2000 people. Why not? It's easy after all.

The person who maintains the machines obviously.

This is babies first argument shit come on.

>Labor theory of value isn't retarded
So you should be able to purchase prime in developed real estate for no money at all right? Because no labor has been expended to get it to market? Also your post is a retarded straw man that nobody would defend and you are a stupid faggot.

There are no nazbols, just bernouts trying to subvert the board very poorly. It makes no difference because the American mentality means communism will fail. All the liberals I've ever known have been lazy, self-righteous people who thought they deserved to get paid more because WORK is HARD (even if they fucking suck at it). There will be no natsoc counter-revolution because neetsocs are all libertarian minded in this country. It'll just keep careening downhill as libertarian-natsocs refuse to push back while commies continue to be lazy and demand gibs without any satisfying conclusion. The American System is dead.

So you are saying the value doesn't come from the labor but from the maintaining and setting up of the system of labor?

Delta's CEO said this publicly years ago
>capitalism
>govt
Choose one

Production. Money, stocks and whatever isn't worth anything. It's just numbers. The only real value are the things you can buy for those numbers, and they only exist due to production.

how can value exist?

need, demand.

How common is retardation of this magnitude?

>Labor is as valuable as you and your fellow workers are willing to pressure the corporations and government to make it valuable.
That's correct actually. If you're not willing to fight, you have no value as anything but a slave. That's one point socialists never internalize. They often think theory is enough. At most forming a union. Big whoop.

Try starving for a week and then tell me if food doesn't have value to you.

You are a shameful dumbfuck

>fucking kids
Never going to happen. Sorry.

If your labor is so valuable, then go labor. The rest will take care of itself, apparently. You don't need business owners to create stable structure to produce anything that rewards your labor.

Are you suggesting that you tend to value something when it’s scarce? Perish the thought

Human leisure time is what's valuable. You trade that as best you can so you have more of it while maintaining the lifestyle your skills can afford
If you don't want to work you don't have to. Just go live innawoods and be a hunter gatherer. Probably lots of leisure time that way not a care in the world. Fresh air. Fresh food constantly. Fresh water right from the puddle

The fact that machines dont run themself doesnt provide any proof for the assesment, that time spend by humans doing stuff has a magically fixed objective value.

A labour shortage such as this one, raises the value of labour, disproving your theory, that the value of labour is fixed over a long time. Labour is subject to market mechanisms like everything else.

If I pay a coughing boomer 1000.000,- Shekels an hour for spitting on the nations toilet paper supply, he will gladly stand up from his deathbed and start working. The company just dont have enough liquidity to do this, so they go bust.

>funny how those "wealth creators" aren't keeping things running with their amazing "free" jobs and money

You're right, obviously.

When you do something nobody thinks is worth paying for you're unlikely to be able to be rewarded for the work you put into it.

But that doesn't mean that labor doesn't have an inherent value, it's just dependent on what that labor is used to achieve.

Maintaining and setting up systems of labor is itself labor. Failing to see your point. Organization and supports are important.

The problem comes down to when the people who hold all the cards begin to exploit rather than cooperate.

I see satan agrees with you.

The only thing i will say is communism is the antithesis of socialism. The fact you are considering the two remotely the same is repulsive. They have similar concerns, but they go about solving the problem in entirely different manners.

If you knew history you would know that the entire reason for the creation of nazi germany and it's ideology of national socialism was to counter communism.

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The costumers are the producers themselves, not separate entities

It’s no use bro. This one is certainly sub-100 level IQ

Who asked you to fuck kids? Is this a new mutts law? I was gone all day did I miss a new meme?

Wtf? Jesus how may retarded idiots are there in the world? Holy shit

*many

>there are definitely communists in America, just not in power
Oof

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>Tell me Yas Forums where does economic value come from?
It comes from people willing to spend their hard earned money to grow the economy. It doesn't matter how much a good job a worker does, when a person doesn't want a product, they won't buy it. So technically economic value comes from the peoples spirits. Happy people spend money, sad people horde it because spending money doesn't make them happy anyways.

This is why America and the world is getting worse and worse, and once again the answer is always the same. Niggers.

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>But that doesn't mean that labor doesn't have an inherent value

No one said that. And we are discussing economic value. Kys

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No, you are, mutt.

I'm saying that people don't know what value is until they lose the privilege of having it.

Which ivory tower liberal city are you from bitch nigger?

I ask myself the same thing everytime i realize americans pay half a million in education and still remain stupid

Not that I advocate for this simplistic, pseudological silliness, but at least you are not as drooling-on-your-own-dick retarded as much of the lobotomized Marxist lemmings in this thread. Still borderline not smart though

that is literally the core of the argument and you're the nigger who just jumped in with 5 posts calling people retards.

You should do everyone a favor and off yourself first, maybe ill consider it then.

need for what? If you don't value your own life, what's the need for value?

>State education
They probably just need twice the funding and people will get twice as smart amarite? Double proprty taxes to make up for it. Hell triple them even!

>inherent value

Ok Brazil. Enjoy your tranny aids and degenerate plastic surgery as you squander what little value your filthy people enjoy. I’m sure people will start lining up at the door to get some of that fancy Brazilian eduction.

Yeah the government could boost demand by burying money and have workers dig it back up. Labor is the constant not demand.

Then why do you keep eating food instead of committing suicide?

As long as you live, food/water, shelther and heating is essential. That's value for you.