Uhh...why isn’t the govt simply telling us to wear masks and gloves?

Hoarders and scalpers fuck shit up.

they stop everyone from coughing virus on each other you fucking idiot

Surgical masks are designed to mostly protect the surgeon from coughing on the patient. If everyone wearwcone, no one can cough on anyone. Also, the amount of virus particles you're exposed too matters a lot, this is why healthcare workers have worse outcomes. Your body has a lot more time to fight the virus if you inhale 10 virus particles vs a trillion

masks would help to prevent new infections from asymptomatic people you stupid fucking kraut

To prevent possible false flag mass shootings that could be further used against trump.

Most homes have scarves and regular pair of gloves. This “there aren’t enough gloves” argument doesn’t really make sense. You don’t need medical grade mask and gloves to slow the spread. The mask is just to prevent sneezing coughing and spittle from flying everywhere and the gloves simply to prevent your hands from touching it. Medical grade is the best but you don’t need the best of it’s a mass situation and an emergency. This argument doesn’t have legs.

Because producing masks takes time and health workers (nurses, doctors, etc) need them more than the populace. (They are disposable too, only used once. There's even a protocol on how to dispose them, etc) And time is what we're currently trying to save until we can come up with a proper vaccine.

The point is to reduce the rate of infection to avoid overloading hospitals, staff, and other resources.

I don’t think that’s true. People were wearing masks all over the subway even when it was declared that “masks don’t do anything” (an obvious lie). If the government told people it was a vital importance people would mostly police one another.

Manufacturing of almost everything was moved to east Asia decades ago.
I hope that this corona panic helps to push western countries towards isolationism and self-sufficiency.

what a confusing way of apologising for having no masks.

>producing them takes time
>creating a vaccine takes time
>we need to give the time to the vaccine producers not the mask makers because different people working on different tasks simultaneously is not possible because poortugal.

enjoy pneumonia then i guess

This is actually bullshit I just ordered medical grade masks in mail literally today and they will arrive in like three days. Plus I never said they have to be medical grade masks just any kind of mask could blunt the spread of the virus, even bandanas or scarves. They wouldn’t be 100% perfect but would reduce the spread dramatically.

Wearing a mask or anything that masks your identity while in public is ILLEGAL in Australia. You can be fined for wearing one in my state, if the officer decides to be a cunt.

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As I’ve said a million times medical masks are not needed to slow down the spread. Simply using a scarf or a bandana could work quite well also. It wouldn’t be perfect but it would still reduce the spread, which is the goal.

It's a tricky situation. Italy had to make hard choices as well by letting old people die and give care to those who could actually make it.

That's not how it works, but okay...

I want to know who bought all the construction masks weeks ago.

How is it “not how it works”? It is exactly “how it works”. A scarf worn by someone with corona virus who is sneezing would reduce possibly even eliminate the amount of their spittle flying through the air and landing on shit. It would t be 100% like a surgical mask but it would reduce it dramatically. Gloves would do the same for picking up the virus they don’t have to be disposable gloves either, just washable.

yeah let's just hop in the time machine and stop the chinamen before they bought up all our masks

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This is so autistic, if everyone is “generally” covering their faces and hands in public spaces it would operate as a virtual quarantine, not 100% absolutely perfect but it would be enough to blunt the curve. It’s so fucking simple I think people can’t comprehend that the “experts” haven’t thought of it. We live in clown world and they are shooting a fly with a canon.

It depends on the material the scarf is made of. Would the scarf have microholes? If so then the virus could perfectly fly off between the fibers onto someone or something, since a SARS-CoV-2 virion is 50-200 nanometers in diameter.

Look, there's a reason why there are different types of masks out there for these things.

Read this drive.google.com/file/d/1DqfSnlaW6N3GBc5YKyBOCGPfdqOsqk1G/view

As I said repeatedly, it would not be 100% perfect, I’ve studied those masks they’re mostly about perfection, it’s autism, most scarves are thick as fuck and bandanas are better than nothinand most people can afford them. Saying it won’t work because it’s not perfect is the same those people who say border walls don’t work because people could climb them. It’s asinine. In any case, it would be a million times better than crashing the whole economy of the entire western world for this autistic approach of absolute perfection when there is another approach, yes less effective but still one that does blunt the curve.

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Yes. Even is a mask stops only 90% of virus particles & you still get infected, you will likely get less sick than if you had inhaled 100% without the mask. The amount of virus a person is initially exposed to (inoculum) matters

These sorts of documents are created by people in the MEDICAL community they are only thinking medically, they don’t give a shit about the economy. The leaders need to do a cost benefits analysis: is blunting the curve as low as possibly worth it if the cost is crashing the entire economy and sending the whole western world into a Great Depression or is it worth it to avoid that keep the economy going and have a less blunted curve?

>Implying regular masks have the same level of protection as surgical masks

you're a fucking moron
a mask does nothing to stop you from getting the virus It's like holding a piece of paper over your mouth. At best, it stops you from sticking your finger in your nose.

I’m not even saying that even, I’m just saying the spread of a sneeze is *reduced* by almost any facial covering, it may not be 100% filtered but it is reduced. Reduction is all that matters if the goal is blunting the general curve.

I never said they did brainlet, my point was that it would reduce the spread, not completely eliminate it.

Retards will buy the wrong kind and wear them wrong without goggles and spread shit even more. Seen people who wear them often will lift the mask to smoke and cough everywhere because they’re coughing so hard from being smokers.

I never said it did smoothbrain. The point if the mask is to prevent people who do t know they have it from sneezing all over the place or coughing and spreading the disease. If the cough into a mask or scarf the spread is mostly contained. Gloves are what I suggested to help prevent people from picking up the disease.

If it stops you from touching your face, that's still helping.

Again, for the millionth time in this thread, it’s not about absolute perfection, it’s about reduction.

are you being retarded on purpose? are you claiming that a scarf would not block a single virus particle? that's all the other user is saying: a scarf would be better than nothing.

You can get the infection in your eyes from someone’s breath within 3 feet of you.

They dont want millions of people with a false sense of security walking around wearing the incorrect shit and wearing it wrong. It is easier to STAY HOME. Hard to fuck that up.

Your approach is irresponsible from a public health perspective. Social distancing is what's being asked of people. I don't think it's hard to follow that rule.

By social distancing I don't mean you stay locked in your home unable to go grocery shop or whatever. Just that 99% of the time you have to stay in your house until the rate of infection stagnates or declines.

The thing is that this requires cooperation from everyone for this to work.

I don't think you've read the whole thing proper. Please take your time to read it after this thread dies.

Like I said above in another context that equally applies here: these are hard choices. There's probably a reason why the FED decided to set their rates to 0% and allow "infinite money."

It wouldn't. There's a reason why these masks are disposable! Go and speak to a virologist/epidemiologist or someone in the field please. There are other propagation vectors here. These things aren't as linear as they seem.

How do people as stupid and uninformed as you survive? The masks literally do nothing. Assholes buying this shit in bulk are fucking retards. They said it about 100 times in the news already to stop wearing masks bc it’s a waste and does nothing. People don’t even wear them right, nvm getting one last that are even remotely close to be correct. With a virus you literally need a hazmat suit

For the millionth time, this is not about achieving absolute autistic 0% cases I’m just suggesting something better than nothing that could have been done to avoid crashing the entire economy. I never said it would be perfect. But even in your example if everyone is wearing masks/scarves and gloves and keeping distance from one another it would have reduced the virus and it would have done it without having to go into full retard mode crashing the economy.

Or you touch your face more often to readjust the mask or because it was itching your face and it makes things worse.
Masks are good for infected people to wear, and as part of a 100% hazmat protection with gloves, goggles, respirator, etc.
But by itself a mask on an uninfected person can do more harm than good.

Didn't we donate a shitload of masks to China like a month ago?

>Your approach is irresponsible from a public health perspective.
Health is not the only thing to consider when running a country. Sometime you have to pick the lesser of two evils. Having a less than perfect solution without crashing the entire western worlds economy is smarter than a slightly more perfect solution that completely crashes the economies of whole western world.

> Social distancing is what's being asked of people. I don't think it's hard to follow that rule.
No, people will be closing businesses. Thousands of businesses will collapse. Tens of Millions of people will be out of work, the stock market will collapse and the value of the dollar will dramatically inflate and millions will STILL get the virus, just at a more blunted curve.

The point of the mask is so the wearer doesn’t transmit anything to the other people not the other way around.

If you send a million people out in the street who have a 2% chance of spreading it due to some type of PPE.

Vs. 3% without

0% sounds much better in terms of millions of individuals.

When something spreads at a geometric rate, the smallest number closest to 0 is literally what you want.

I meant the value of the dollar will drop due to inflation..,you know what I meant

Exactly, that's what I said. A lot of retards ITT think it will protect them from becoming infected.

...from a medical perspective, not a holistic perspective. As a leader you can’t just think in medical terms, everything else be damned. You can not allow the economy to completely collapse even if it means the curve won’t be as low as it could have been. You can’t quarantine a whole nation to sit at home eating Cheetos for months on end...you do realize this don’t you? There needs to be a middle ground.

>It wouldn't. There's a reason why these masks are disposable! Go and speak to a virologist/epidemiologist or someone in the field please. There are other propagation vectors here. These things aren't as linear as they seem.
Scarves,balaclavas etc. are better then nothing. If you want to be autistic about it, then even the face masks aren't 100% proof, since the virus can be breathed in from the side of the mask. If you wan't 100% guarantee, you would need a contamination suit and an oxygen tank.

>Health is not the only thing to consider when running a country.
You're right, but it's the first priority. Everything else comes next. Having unhealthy individuals run a country is equally bad, I reckon.

I guess there's a cultural/ideological difference between us here. I value a healthy society more than currency's value.

>No, people will be closing businesses. (...)
Like I said... it's a tricky situation. It's not easy. That's why it requires cooperation from everyone. Selfishness will only lead to disgrace.

surgical masks prevent spread FROM infected you FUCKIN IDIOT

>You're right, but it's the first priority. Everything else comes next.
That’s a bad philosophy. You do realize that economic collapse could lead to more health problem don’t you? Bad political decisions by the people? War? Bloodshed. More future diseases, domestic strife, tyranny. look at the whole picture.

> Having unhealthy individuals run a country is equally bad, I reckon.
>I guess there's a cultural/ideological difference between us here. I value a healthy society more than currency's value.
No you just don’t see the whole picture. I value health also but I look at the whole picture for what it is.

>>No, people will be closing businesses. (...)
>Like I said... it's a tricky situation.
It isn’t it’s literally happening RIGHT NOW as we are having this conversation. Businesses are closing.

> It's not easy. That's why it requires cooperation from everyone. Selfishness will only lead to disgrace.
This isn’t about grace or selfishness it’s just an objective fact. You tell tens of millions of people they can’t work and there will be riots and chaos the stock market will crash it’s starting right now. Wake the fuck up!

>because masks do fuck all about it you dumb nigger
MASKS DO NOTHING!!!

Also please don't buy n95 masks so we have enough masks for health workers so they don't get sick.

Wake up, NPC.

Or you can not be retarded, wear a mask, realize you're wearing a mask, and not touch it to adjust it. But you'd first have to not be retarded and that will clearly be an issue for you.