A thread for people to discuss China and post evidence or arguments for their claims. Is this hardcore shitting on China truly warranted? It would be great if we had some Chinese to state their point of view as well, but try to be as unbiased as possible. I want to start with some stuff I've been thinking about since all of this started. I became very curious about China.
> IQ & living conditions
Are the Chinese really high IQ or is their IQ inflated by bad sampling, ie. only collecting data from well-off metropolitan areas? If they're high IQ why are there so many parts of the country that look third world, and the people there behave in a third world manner? In what sort of environment do most Chinese people live in? Are the shithole parts of the country the norm or is it the other way around? Is it possible that their median IQ really is 105, but there's just so many of them that they produce a ton of 80-95 IQ people, and that's why some parts of the country look so shit? You would also expect the people to segregate according to IQ, exacerbating the effect. What is the relationship between the various ethnic groups of China and intelligence and behavior? Can we gauge China's true intelligence by assessing their intellectual output, eg. amount of scientific papers publisher adjusted for population?
> Cruelty and disgusting shit per capita
Clips of Chinese people doing cruel and disgusting shit are all over Yas Forums now, but how common is this actually? When you have a country of 1.4 billion people, people are gonna do a lot of shit. How do we know the Chinese do more cruel or disgusting shit per capita though? When you're trying to figure this stuff out you have to adjust for population size. It's unfair to compare China to a country of 8 million people. Is there any scientific evidence that Chinese people are less-empathetic than other races? How much of the cruelty is their innate nature and how much of it is due to cultural/environmental differences?
Many people hate the Chinese for "destroying" the manufacturing industry in their native countries, but can we really pin the blame on the Chinese? After all, the Chinese didn't force us to do that. Many Jewish and White Neo-Cons/Libs (like the Chicago boys) advocated for a global free market and against protectionist policies. Then our own private companies decided to move manufacturing to China because it made economic sense for them. They saved money on labor costs and we got cheaper shit, but many people would now argue that it definitely wasn't worth it. Manufacturing in China became the norm because we allowed it to become the norm, large companies had to do their manufacturing in countries like China to stay competitive. Point being, I don't remember the Chinese putting a gun to our heads and making us do this. Our elites made that choice. Our elites empowered our economic rivals.
> Treatment of Employees
The Chinese have a notorious reputation when it comes to this. However, are such things truly unique to them? Were conditions really better here back in the day when we had even children working in the coal mines? Even to this day, some companies in the west (eg. Amazon) have a bad reputation for underpaying, bullying and overworking their employees. Naturally, I don't think that Amazon is as bad as Chinese sweatshops, but modern China is a younger country, so it would make sense that they would have to catch up to us in a lot of ways. If we saw the conditions our ancestors used to work in, perhaps we would be appalled. If our societies went through that period too, do we have the right to moralize about it so adamantly nowadays when China is going through the same thing?
That's about it for now Frens, I'm probably gonna take a nap. Hopefully this thread doesn't just die instantly because no one has anything to say. I'm just asking questions, please correct me if I'm wrong about anything.
Justin Reyes
Its just special interests shilling as usual. Both anti chink and pro chink. And now the neocon warmongers who's master need another war to fuel the MIC.
Colton Wilson
>And now the neocon warmongers who's master need another war to fuel the MIC. Crazily enough, they're calling for nuking China, which would cause both China and Russia to retaliate immediately. I don't understand the purpose of this shilling at all.
Kevin Nelson
I understand that, but I'm genuinely interested in China as a country. I want to assess China on my own terms.
Tldr Chinese shills are all in twitters comment section. They try to clean chinas image but its really fake sounding and only the normiest of normies will believe it. That being said 60% will believe it, fuck.
Ryan Moore
The current situation demonstrates exactly what is so dangerous about China. The state controls everything so deeply, there can be no effective safety culture around things like bioweapon research. See also: Chernobyl. But these states will 100% conduct that research because glory to the great nation of . Shitting on the Chinese people and their weird-ass way of life is a waste of time. Who fucking cares. The state gave rise to that, not the other way around.
Alexander Green
Special interest here: the Chinese deserve to be wiped out by a pangolin-borne bioweapon
Michael Williams
I'm a bit naive, but once in a blue moon someone actually offers an intelligent perspective on Yas Forums. Writing this post helped me think and ask questions, and if someone says something intelligent that's a bonus.
Jaxson Stewart
They fucked up, it’s either from the market which should have been illegal or leaked from the virology lab. So they deserve to be shitted on because they’ve fucked the worlds economy through gross incompetence
Alexander Martin
>IQ Chinese people are generally high IQ, just like their neighbors to the east. That's just analytical IQ though. Basically they can take White inventions and improve upon them (similar to the Japs and Koreans), but they have a hard time being creative. It's not because they lack the ability, it's because of how they're raised. How they're taught. They aren't encouraged to think outside the box like in Western countries. That's the problem. They don't value creativity within their culture. But I believe they do have potential and as their industries begin to improve and the country itself become a consumer country, I think they'll become more creative. You can already see their own domestic products slowly improving (i.e. Huawei, Xiaomi). >webms No, they're not common. They were uploaded for a reason. Probably to shame the people who were cruel or careless. If anyone genuinely believes that Yas Forums webms are a good representation of 1.4 billion people, they need to neck themselves.
Alexander Cruz
Ok here is one China is almost as big as Europe How often Europeans throw shit upon each, it’s a bit less in China
Levi Rodriguez
Each other*
Christopher Rivera
It's mostly angloids, specially bongistaners and shartlanders that cry about muh china bad, we good, they evil, we dindu nuffin And the worst is that newfags end up eating up this propaganda of theirs No, China isn't all that great, there's censorship and lies, etc, but at this point, if you're against chinks destroying the evil power that shartland is, then you're supporting golem nations that stop nationalists from taking their countries back The world, even nationalists, are too burgerized for their own individual and country's good
Chase Lopez
>Industry China was chosen to be the world's factory because they had the population and the manpower to manufacture products fast and efficiently at such a large scale. However in recent years, with the Trade War as well as rising Chinese wages, it meant that western companies are leaving China for poorer nations like Vietnam for slave labor. This may seem bad for the Chinese in the meanwhile, but it's also a sign that China is becoming a developed nation and is moving towards consumerism rather than manufacturing. They have their own companies now. Many Chinese companies can even compete on a global scale against Western companies. They don't need to slave for the West anymore. If Western companies move away, Chinese workers would simply move from iPhone factories to Huawei factories. >Treatment of Employees Keep in mind that China is still a developing nation despite everything. They need time before they can catch up to first world countries in terms of quality of life, especially since they have such a massive population. It will be another decade before they are truly first world. But I think by 2030, things will be different. The CCP has work to do.
Jose Ramirez
六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 法輪功 Falun Dafa 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 肅清 活摘器官 黑社會 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 東突厥斯坦Winnie the Pooh
Samuel Morgan
Based as fuck
Jason Fisher
Good analysis.
Fuck off to your meme thread.
Aiden Bailey
六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 法輪功 Falun Dafa 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 肅清 活摘器官 黑社會 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 東突厥斯坦Winnie the Pooh
Kayden Ward
Imagine so retard to keep on posting shit
Ayden Baker
I just want to know why the jews want me to hate east asians so much. Media openly blasts them which means they are doing something to make themselves a problem for the kikes.
I'm pretty sure most people would agree that this was a huge fuck-up on the part of China. However, I'm not ready to write an entire nation off based on this incident. Modern China is young and there are 1.4 billion people in it. I can't even begin to imagine the kind of bureaucracy that would be necessary to effectively enforce rules across the entire nation. It took America until 1906 to create the FDA, it's possible that the Chinese need more time.
We seem to basically agree with each other. However, I have a question. Do you think it was beneficial for the west to move manufacturing to these poor countries in the long-run? Even though it's possible that manufacturing will have a renaissance in the west once we run out of poor countries to move shop to, would've it been better if we just kept manufacturing in our own countries from the very start? Will we be competitive in manufacturing once we're forced to dive back into it once again? Was this a blunder on the part of the west, or did we benefit from it?
See, sometimes someone does actually say something with a point, kek.
Eli Price
Mankind love to mock on others Imagine being a media and there is such an easy way to gain attention...
Camden Myers
jews arent humans they are rat men
Michael Rodriguez
>would've it been better if we just kept manufacturing in our own countries from the very start? You can't do that for big companies will always want to generate more profit, and though lowing the expenditure by moving factories to area with less wage and tax to pay that's most effecient
Ayden Ward
The Chinese government allowed itself to be bought off by the wildlife sales lobby which allowed for the shitty conditions in these wet markets to cultivate this virus to the point of being transmittable to humans. The vast majority of Chinese (or Asian people in general) aren’t eating this sort of food but whoever is allowing this shit to keep going needs to be held accountable and they need to make the sale of wildlife illegal again. Too many deadly virus have sprung of China for this very reason and money from special interest groups are why they keep allowing this shit.
Aiden Wood
>Do you think it was beneficial for the west to move manufacturing to these poor countries in the long-run? Certainly not for the West. But for countries that get to manufacture for the West, it's a blessing. Manufacturing can pretty much kickstart any country's economy. >would've it been better if we just kept manufacturing in our own countries from the very start? Very much so. And this is going to happen soon due to the rise of automation. China knows this and is one of the reasons they invest so much in AI. >Will we be competitive in manufacturing once we're forced to dive back into it once again? It won't matter anymore when robots are doing all of the work, which is the end game.
Elijah Lopez
The CCP is the problem with China. That covers about 30% of their population. Remove ALL of those people, and China will be ready to join the rest of the DEVELOPED world, properly.
John Green
Just wait it out, and see if anyone is genuine and insightful enough to take you up on your offer. But as an ontological word of advice, the tricky thing about understanding China is that it's a culture with an alien but complete system of thought that has its own way of understanding itself. This means that unless there are some immediate, practical need like doing business or talking with a friend, it's not that easy, or intuitive of a thing for someone within the Chinese cultural context to explain himself to someone from outside of it. All this is to say that you shouldn't be too disappointed if you don't get much from a thread like this. If you're genuinely curious about China, I'd actually suggest you read what few translated 20th century Chinese literature you can find and watch a some good, translated Chinese TV series, sitcoms and movies. Cantonese or Mandarin, it doesn't matter, but preferably you'll watch both. They'll give you a cultural and social context into which you can then slot disparate facts into, and will probably address your curiosity better than these threads could.
This is just a decent looking historical drama I just found. The episode is broken up, and audio sounds terrible (to avoid copyright strikes probably), but at least it seems pretty good and has subs.
Meanwhile, Brazil continues to have the largest nigger population in the western hemisphere.
Xavier Anderson
Wrong, just google it There are like 90.594 million of CCP while 1.4 billion total population
Christopher Moore
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六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 法輪功 Falun Dafa 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 肅清 活摘器官 黑社會 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 東突厥斯坦Winnie the Pooh
Nathan Cooper
CCP Fuck Off back to your outhouse hovel
Grayson Powell
Based, but one thing to keep in mind is after CCP took control and the last decades of development, China has become quite different from what it was at early 20th century
Evan Thompson
Merely a bigger pile of shit.
Christian Green
I understand that you can't really do that under a liberal paradigm. I've said that companies basically had to move manufacturing to countries such as China to stay competitive. However, no one said that the state has to have liberal inclinations. A strong authoritarian government, could in theory, force private companies within a nation to keep manufacturing within it's own borders. This would increase self-sufficiency, but it's not clear whether it would be viable economically, and it's not clear whether such a state could compete with others that have embraced the global market, nor if such a state could effectively enforce rules that many would see as draconian. I don't know much about economics, it's outside of the fields I'm more interested in.
Was a more authoritarian and protectionist approach actually viable for the west before any of this happened? Would that approach survive if it was successfully attempted?
Sadly, I think that my knowledge of China will remain relatively shallow. I wish I could know everything, but a man has to prioritize in life. I don't think I'll have the time to look to deeply into it, but I'll take you up on the offer and watch that series. At the very least I want my knowledge of China to be superior to the average retard. Especially since China is such a huge player when it comes to geopolitics.
> Svatko tko ne želi prihvatiti 1-D narative za low-info niggere i djecu je tajni kineski kripto-kommunist
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Jason Lewis
>authoritarian That's the problem, no one wants to become authoritarian or to be called as such at this stage, even Singapore, thanks to neo-liberalism
Aiden Campbell
i live around chinese in vancouver and my thoughts are: they are intelligent but focused on status and money and can be ultra competitive and very sharp business people.
but, IMO they lack inquisitiveness. i notice on the metro to work Asians DONT READ. Only whites read and there will be 3 whites and 20 asians and the asians never read and the whites always do.
so, at least in my opinion, we are just oriented in a different way. i wish i had their business and money skills.
Joseph Edwards
>You can't do that for big companies will always want to generate more profit Companies need to be put on a leash for their own good, ironically it's China that showed us that this can be done, remember the nba, blizzard fiasco?
Nicholas Williams
i believe chinese have lower empathy than whites. add to that orientation to money and status and conspicuous consumption for the purpose of status signaling and you have a people VERY prone to corruption - which is exactly what you see in china.
in general they are physically timid. i never see them fighting with one another and they are generally not brave physically.
Jace Ortiz
Sometimes it really makes you to think, doesn't it? While we are broken by individualism, their collectivism makes them more powerful than ever
Parker Howard
>you have a people VERY prone to corruption - which is exactly what you see in china. From a sociological view blame bureaucratism on simple racial elements is abit arbitrary, you may have a point but my take is the problem is on thier education
Jeremiah Hall
This is true. China is one long continuous ribbon, and CCP is another gigantic knot. It's hard to say just how big or different this knot is compared to all the other ones before it, but so as long as it's a solid one, it'll do.
I only realized after posting the video that the channel only ever uploaded the first episode. But I think you have the right idea. Shallow knowledge in proper context is infinitely preferable to deep tunnel visioned knowledge, especially for the average person.
Michael Stewart
A little bit of reddit-tier speculation on my part, but it's entirely possible this could've been avoided had it not been for WW II, and the Soviets fanning the flames of the "red scare", making boomers think that the state interfering in anything is communism. Ever since then authoritarianism has become a dirty, taboo word. Unfortunately, we will never get to see what could've been possible in an alternate timeline. I suppose that for a while we were destined to be stuck on the neo-liberal trajectory. However, the times are changing and authoritarianism might be more viable in the not-so-distant future. Should Europe and NA do everything they can to pull manufacturing back home in the meantime?
It certainly feels that there is some sort of golden middle between individualism and collectivism, and that we've completely missed the mark and descended into hyper-individualistic chaos.
That is sort of the impression that the media and random tidbids on the internet gave me. However, I know better than to trust the media and twitter posts. I simply don't know enough about them to make a sound judgement. The only way I could start believing something like that for real is if I saw some quality studies on the subject. However, given that race is such a huge taboo in the west I doubt anyone has the balls to propose a paper titled "Are East Asians less empathetic than other Races", kek.
Mason Lopez
Yas Forums's views on anything is generally narcissistic, or at least enjoys schadenfreude.
As for world leaders' views on China, they simply don't like competition. It's only natural to want to be competitive. The US did the same thing to Japan when we they were rising like crazy. Peopel complained that Japanese companies were buying out American companies; that America is losing business by buying too much Japanese products; and how we can't trust them slant eye fuckers for Pearl Harbor and whatnot and how they might become a military power again. Even the rest of the West complained about Japanese tourists as the "new Americans": about how obnoxious they were and "invading" other countries.
Then that all stopped once Japan's economy crashed and it's been stagnant since.
Of course, China has been aggressive with their territory disputes. Those are legitimate concerns, but I'm not too familiar with those matters. Despite being raised every now and again as concerns, the West typically ignores China's territory disputes, yet their economy and manufacturing industry is always the focus of attention for the West's pains. That alone should tell you what the West's leaders' views on China really are: competition.
Isaac Foster
looks like the glowies and their /ptg/ stooges are already sliding this
Sebastian Rogers
i like many of them that i meet personaly. the men are often butthurt about us taking their women but i find that they are typically very mentally stable and easy to be around and bright enough. I agree with Ricardo duchesne saying that whites have a faustian spirit and asians have a spirit more oriented to enterprise and social status.
Luis Thomas
>However, the times are changing and authoritarianism might be more viable in the not-so-distant future. Should Europe and NA do everything they can to pull manufacturing back home in the meantime? I dunno user, decade ago the bastard Fukuyama told us we reached the end of history, many still believe in his ideological oriented theory without realizing how fucked up we are
Christian Evans
The CCP is also the reason they have risen so quickly. personality, I don't want regime change. There are enough "democracies" in the world. What I want is for the CCP to evolve into something more tolerable and accepting when it comes to things like freedom of speech and information. Things like the excessive censorship are stunting the Chinese people of development. If the CCP learns to take criticism and allow the Chinese to do and say as they please, then China would be unstoppable. They'd immediately burst with creative, original stuff. You can already see it in small doses right now.
Andrew Miller
>live in China >try to prepare breakfast but one of my 7 concubines drank the last of the leaded milk >get in car >car won't start because intake is clogged with a toddler's torso >oh yeah, forgot about that >pluck it out >car is still immobilized due to several human heads jamming up the wheel wells >no time to fix it, I'm late for work >use concubine #3's bicycle >bike is broken because it's chinese just like you >f@#*! >have to walk, I guess >put on standard outdoor chinese facemask >visibility is 20 feet due to smog >best it's been all year, what a beautiful day >see neighbor lady sweeping her dead child into trash bin >again?! >she shrugs and says "china will go larger" and goes back into house >a sewer explodes, I narrowly dodge a flying manhole cover >get to train station >doors open, suffocated and smothered dead bodies pour out >oh this is the dead body train, I'll take the next one >living people train arrives >doors open, suffocated and smothered dead bodies pour out >trample over them because I'm late, dammit >driver announces "scheduled derailment in 10 seconds, please hold on" >train derails, me and some other guy in the back row survive >he waves to me with the one arm he has left and smiles >says "We will live in prosperity!" >finally get to the wilderness park where I work >take escalator up to office to clock in >plate at the top of escalator gives way, gears and torque would've eaten my left leg if I still had one >feed it my left hand instead as an offering >for China >get in car to drive a visitor and her family around tiger enclosure >remind them that one of them has to die here as per the rules of the park >daughter says it's her turn and jumps out, mom says "bull (bleep)" and jumps out after her >Tiger kills the mother but breaks its leg while trying to kill daughter due to calcium defiency >I have to apologize to the daughter: "sorry, Tiger is broken today , come back tomorrow" >China will grow larger
>be Yas Forums >have some real talk Is the earth going to explode?
Christopher Edwards
> whites have a faustian spirit and asians have a spirit more oriented to enterprise and social status
As a man perpetually torn between doing what seems to be pragmatic and what my soul truly yearns for I can attest to that. Most of the time I'm trying to synthesize these desires. I'm very anti-materialistic and only desire the basic material foundations of life, but I also fear that an attitude like that is what's causing our downfall in the material world. I'm basically a race realist and I know that personality is about 0.5-0.6 heritable so I'm not discounting the possibility of east Asians being different from us in the way you've described. However, it's unclear to me how much of the difference is truly genetic and how much of it is due to circumstance and culture. Although at the very least I would assume that genetics plays a roll, I'm just not sure how substantial that role truly is.
I always found it funny how they're basically more nationalistic and in-group oriented than the vast majority of the so-called "right wing" parties in the west. Reality never fails to deliver grade-A comedy to those who pay some attention.
Carter Turner
Oh, and also the "communist break" is also very easy to exaggerate, because even to this day, in this day and age, very few cultures and peoples love historically based shows as much as the Chinese popular audience. In China, you can basically grab great historical TV drama by the handful. Since it's popular culture, these things wouldn't be popular if your average Chinese didn't feel a significant degree of empathy with the characters and the historical periods.
Easton Hernandez
The PRC is waging information warfare against the GOP and USA in support of DNC given that none of their candidates proved popular. All of this is an effort to restore the treason that was happening at the behest of China under the Obama-Biden administration.
Europeans depend heavily on Russian oil / gas. They do not like Russia having a lot of leverage over them in this way. Poland / Ukraine are the eastern border of Europe as far as Western Europeans are concerned, so they want NATO running a defensive corridor there.
The Middle East primarily sells oil / gas to China. They do not have pipeline access to Europe, and the United States blocks pipeline access to China via Afghanistan (which we occupy, for this exact reason).
In the middle of the Obama regime, they toppled Egypt / Libya, specifically by supporting rebels in eastern Libya. You probably don't know this, but eastern Libya is the highest per capita recruiting grounds for al-Qaeda anywhere in the world. They are the ones who were largely responsible for building IEDs that killed most of our troops in Iraq. Lots and lots of American blood on their hands. These are the people Obama supported against Gaddafi however.
Why? Libyan weapons stockpiles were shipped to Syria. The plan was to overthrow Syria and then Turkey. The intention here was to open a pipeline path from Saudi Arabia to Europe. The easiest way to do this is Jordan / western Iraq > Syria > Turkey > Europe
The fallout of such a pipeline opening up goes like this: Saudi energy becomes cheaper than Russian (easier to extract than Russian, but comparable delivery prices once a pipeline is available from Saudi Arabia to Europe). Europe switches to ME energy. Russia then has to switch to selling to China. Afghanistan is no longer valuable real estate in controlling Chinese energy sovereignty. The West has no controllable territory between Russia and China to cut supplies > China obtains effective energy independence, superpower status
John Foster
The real comedy is that there's literally nothing wrong with in group preference if the group can define itself in constructive, non-bigoted ways and go on to assert this preference with genuine confidence that isn't mixed with unconscious inferiority complex, survivor's guilt or delusion of grandeur.
Luke Young
>Although at the very least I would assume that genetics plays a roll, I'm just not sure how substantial that role truly is. Actually no one really knows, avoding falling into genetic determinism, from sociobiological view, gene and culture play as a integrated systerm just like leash and dog, and while gene takes control more often (for survival of nowadays human civilization already means they can at leat meet the demand of our biologcial body), sometimes culture can generate its own momentum; However, social scientists would argue much of human culture is not under direct genetic control >I always found it funny how they're basically more nationalistic and in-group oriented than the vast majority of the so-called "right wing" parties in the west. Reality never fails to deliver grade-A comedy to those who pay some attention. It is actuallly much more complex, from reports I have read, I mean, the academic literatures, nationalims and patriotism have a very clear distinction in the case of China (but, intriguingly, not in the US), and CCP has its own value systerm of what's right and what's left.
Eli Gonzalez
chinese are actually less in group oriented than jews and indians. indians and jews can muscle them out of organizations easily.
Josiah Powell
India is more diverse than Europe. What are you talking about?
Landon Long
india is comprised of hundreds of ultra-ethnocentric castes that are all ultra ingroup oriented. some castes migrate to certain sectors like jats in trucking in canada or telugus in silicon valley but the behaviors and mindset is the same.
James Allen
Found the shill
Isaiah Torres
> The real comedy is that there's literally nothing wrong with in group preference if the group can define itself in constructive, non-bigoted ways and go on to assert this preference with genuine confidence that isn't mixed with unconscious inferiority complex, survivor's guilt or delusion of grandeur.
Naturally, unfortunately relatively low IQ people and edgelords form the face ethnocentric movements. I know some really intelligent race realists though. The topic is very fascinating, incredibly important and nuanced. It's a shame that we aren't allowed to discuss it openly.
I'm intuitively aware of how complex the relation between genes and the environment is. I'm also not ignorant of the fact that substantial genetic changes can occur within a population in a relatively short span of time. My own research has led me to believe that the genetic landscape of Europe changed dramatically ever since the industrial revolution. Negative relationship between IQ and fertility after the industrial revolution causing a slow drop in genotypic intelligence, general intelligence (g) in particular since it seems to be 0.8 heritable. IQ being correlated with all sorts of other stuff as well. A massive drop in infant mortality and advancements in medical technology also being a very important factor. Only God knows the specifics of what the fuck happened to Europe in such a short span of time. I can't even pretend to know what the hell is going on with China now genetically. Point being, even if have a certain genetic nature that is no guarantee that it won't change substantially due to environmental factors.
