Did this thread earlier and got no interest, trying one more time.
AMA about the COVID-19 or the response, I'll answer what I can. I'm not an epidemiologist or anything but do have quite a bit of information due to my occupation and current role. >I'm in the US, in the PNW where we are having an outbreak >I'm a Firefighter/EMT-IV >I'm working as a public information officer for the local incident management team with the Department of Emergency Management, who is managing my counties response to this > The team is made up of key players from public transit, utilities, health departments, schools, police, fire, EMS, hospitals etc. Basically any resource that we have at our disposal. We are the team running the show on a local level, before the federal government steps in
>Also doing my day job as a FF/EMT working in the 911 system providing pre-hospital care and working with the hospital and department of health regarding COVID-19.
>Why would we ask you anything? Because I'm getting information before the public, and working with the agencies MAKING the decisions and the agencies who are responding to this in every aspect of your life from healthcare to your power and water. Plus I work in healthcare and am getting inundated with current information about the virus itself from our Medical Program Director in charge of the Emergency Room, CDC information about risk profiles, informationa bout cases, test kits, supplies and shortages etc.
I think we are at least a month or so out, IF it is going to happen. If it doesn't happen then, it probably isn't going to if it doesn't within the first 2 months.
Juan Hill
Any plans to shutdown all nonessential businesses and services? Is everything being handled by the state gov or are the feds calling some of the shots? FEMA? Any talk of quarantining particular regions or cities in WA?
>Any plans to shutdown all nonessential businesses and services? My state has already shut down restaurants, bars, entertainment. Schools are out for 8 weeks. I look for more to places close in the next 2 weeks to try to slow the spread and "Flatten the curve" so we can get this under control. The key is to keep the spread down enough to not inundate our healthcare system to the point of failure.
>Is everything being handled by the state gov or are the feds calling some of the shots? FEMA? Locally for us so far everything is in our control, in regards to quarantines, and anything with local resources involved, such as ordering supplies from the feds, obtaining test kits locally etc. Along with the state govt. handling the "lockdowns" and using their legal authority to close businesses and schools.
>Any talk of quarantining particular regions or cities in WA? Rumors that the state will be put on lockdown, but that's not official or anything yet. Just rumors from people who are making shit up, but it is still likely that non-essential travel will be limited in the coming weeks.
Between 2-3 last I heard, but as high as 5 in China according to some data. But that's not the only piece that is important in assessing the severity of this disease.
Why exactly such a heavy-handed response? Based on the statistics of the virus, that we've had well before it became opaquely present in America, it didn't seem that bad. Muh "it spreads fast" doesn't seem like a good enough reason to destroy society when the virus doesn't have seemingly high lethality. Not to mention that its so contagious, virtually everyone will get it regardless.
Is there something about it we aren't being told?
Jeremiah Garcia
is this a BIOWEAPON?
Ian Rogers
>Muh "it spreads fast" doesn't seem like a good enough reason to destroy society Really user? You don't think so?
>> Schools are out for 8 weeks. I look for more to places close in the next 2 weeks to try to slow the spread and "Flatten the curve" so we can get this under control. The key is to keep the spread down enough to not inundate our healthcare system to the point of failure.
Isn't this cutting off the nose to spite the face? Saving the medical apartus doesn't seem fruitful if you've destroyed industry and the economy. Not to mention, its a virus.. so there's only so much that can be done to treat it but cannot cure it (as far as i know).
Cooper Torres
The virus has between low morbidity in perfect conditions. Because of a lack a of ventilators - think 1-10000 in America or something stupid like that. If even a fraction of people need a vent. They are shit out of luck and they die. You can take a look at Italy to see how that works out. Something like 7% of people die - from something that spreads like the flu. You stupid mother fucker.
Jonathan Bennett
RU719 departed from Moscow but its destination is NA
we can't halt society but it's being planted it seems like if they really cared they would've done this feb 14th when it first got out not weeks later
i probably got it on the 27th after eating chinese food or before that, I don't remember getting sick from chinese but if it took a week or happened a week before I wouldn't remember the only other thing I was doing was going to adult education, don't know where it came from but I definitely had the flu and didn't die and the flu kills more so....
Chase Johnson
wat do?
Jonathan Green
No, i don't think so. Especially since its likely they mostly everybody has already been exposed to it unknowingly. Whats the point in grinding the train to a halt if its already too late?
And why the hell aren't people being advised to buy actual useful essentials instead of toilet paper?
Have you heard any news about sacred heart and what they’re doing? I’m across the border in Idaho and rumor is, they’re trying shut down traffic between states. Any news about Idaho?
Kayden Cox
checked and 1918 digits confirm... this is fucking biblical .. the youtube fag was right.. its bubonic pneumonia
I was being sarcastic and you're posting in a larp thread. Fuck this place is dead, lol.
Jonathan Jenkins
>when the virus doesn't have seemingly high lethality. there’s a good chance this shit literally castrates men, dying is not the only thing that matters >Not to mention that its so contagious, virtually everyone will get it regardless. wrong, if you can contain it, you better do
Hunter Hughes
Any word on North Idaho?
Aaron Peterson
Why can't Seattle hipsters stop flooding Capitol Hill during a fucking global pandemic
Nolan Rogers
My wife works at a company in Everett and they’re refusing to allow employees who can do their jobs from home to do so. They have threatened mass layoffs if employees do not comply. Is there anything we can do?
Alexander Harris
Would it be a good idea to skip work tomorrow and go stay with my parents if theres been a confirmed case in my area
Owen Myers
it's going to Wuhan... Not kidding.
Elijah Long
>Why exactly such a heavy-handed response? >virus doesn't have seemingly high lethality. It can be as much as 24x as deadly than the flu in certain groups. Even with a case fatality rate of "only" 3 percent, that number becomes very large when you are talking a country of this size. Some small towns only have 10-20 ICU beds, and major hospitals only have maybe a few hundred. 3% of my states population is over 200,000 people, and that's not even talking about the number of sick who don't die. This has the ability to overwhelm our healthcare system with the current numbers if we can't control the spread of this quickly. And as it sits right now, we don't even have enough test kits, and more are 2 weeks out from delivery.
Depends on if you believe in conspiracies, I wouldn't rule it out.
>Saving the medical apartus doesn't seem fruitful if you've destroyed industry and the economy I agree to an extent, but economies can recover with good policies in place to help recover, dead people can't.
>so there's only so much that can be done to treat it but cannot cure it True, and we are at least a year out from a vaccine at minimum. Treatment is supportive, and we don't have the supplies to provide life support to hundreds of thousands at a moments notice.
>wat do? Prep before shit like this happens so you don't have to worry.
>I’m across the border in Idaho and rumor is, they’re trying shut down traffic between states. I keep hearing rumors, but nothing from credible sources. I know local hospitals are no longer allowing visitors, no info about Sacred Heart.
On a side note, I just started having a dry cough tonight. A little nervous...
Breh its been suggested that it already made its way here in early january, people just thought they had a severe flu. Then they felt better and went back into the world, likely infecting tens of thousands. It was too late 2 months ago.
Adrian Green
>Larp No, not at all.
Because Seattle is full of faggy liberals who don't pay attention.
>Is there anything we can do? Prep for this to go south if you can, but don't panic and be hopeful that some sort of financial relief happens if there are layoffs. I think the economic impact will the worst thing about this in my opinion.
Noah Foster
Checked, Wuhan virused
Austin Powell
that's possible i suppose
Tyler Reed
>Flu kills more Flu mortality 0.1% Wuhan Flu mortality est. ~1% Thats 10x more lethal. And the number is even higher if medical systems collapse. Italy is at 7% right now Adult education is the right path. Good on you for that
Eli Phillips
>>I think the economic impact will the worst thing about this in my opinion.
YES - this is the fallacy with the whole reaction and why it doesn't make sense. The people who make these decisions aren't stupid and weigh options. And frankly, they are self-manufacturing the very thing that you just claimed was 'the worst thing' about all of this
Cooper Lewis
>Depends on I wwanted to know if you had been informed by authorities that they know it is in fact of man made origin which being so demands the absolute highest possible protection and preservation from any possible infection... many are saying what they have been able to gather from some who have published their research on this virus is could not have arisen in nature spontaneously and clearly shows combinant signatures which are never ever found outside of man made lab specimens thus it was an engineered pathogen and we are under a military attack not just bum luck. maybe you don;t have the need-to-know yet.
I’ve had us stocked up since January, were set on supplies but we have a 4 month old daughter and my wife works art a fairly large company in Everett not far from the hospital. Is there anything anyone can do to get the execs to stop being such pieces of shit and allow their workers to work from home? She already does 1 day a week from home as part of maternity leave but the execs are being very stubborn and on Friday sent out a very threatening email to all employees telling them there will be layoffs if they don’t stop “spreading rumors” and that work from home will damage productivity and the result will be layoffs. Is there anything that can be done to force their hand?
Josiah Wright
>And frankly, they are self-manufacturing the very thing that you just claimed was 'the worst thing' about all of this Because there are no good options. Either one results in economic problems, but one of them involves us getting the virus spread and hospitalizations under control before we overwhelm our healthcare system. The other involves the economy still taking a hit, tens to hundreds of thousands of potential deaths and a crippled healthcare system where Emergency Rooms can't take patients and people are left to die because there is nowhere to go.
Landon Moore
Fair enough, I appreciate your replies. Good luck out there
Asher Smith
How is the situation with PPE for you? Are emt's provided with this? Are they deinfected after transporting cases?
Dylan Campbell
fill in the last column faggot
protip: you cant. The data is being hidden from everyone
Remember, Dig to Stop Virus And don't Dig to Keep Virus
O LUCIFER the Devil Satan
William Harris
thats only because most people who got the coronavirus and recovered didnt even report themselves because this virus is a nothing burger only killing the already close to death.
Anthony Hernandez
Are there any plans to round up all the jews, if not, then why?
Brayden Jenkins
Infectious Disease experts have been saying everything to contradict what you said. That's why I said it depends on your beliefs. I'm suspicious of it's origins, but according to experts, it likely was not a bioweapon.
If you can work from home, they may end up having to let you or face even worse economic repercussions once full lockdowns happen along with economic slowdowns that we are already seeing depending on what they do for business. Some business will still be operating, just not businesses that have tons of people going in and out or host large gatherings. That's fine if you are still going to work, just practice good hygiene. Continuing on as normal and doing that is what we need to happen to mitigate the economic impact. Closing every business would be disastrous.
Matthew Cooper
Emergency Management user here.
Are you still running EMS calls?
We stopped sending FD and PD on EMS calls here. EMS Crews (AMRfags) weren't following protocol and insist masks are for pussies... after one of their crews that had contact with a pozzed patients had contact with an engine company and shuttered an entire fire house, we decided no more. If EMS fags here wanna be retarded, they get to deal with the consequences.
People can thumb rides to a hospital if they need to, but no one else is going to enforce laws or put out fires.
Jayden Martinez
you'll be dead in 2 days. shouldnt have fucked that eggplant.
Jacob Myers
hmm its registered in Bermuda though whats it doing flying out of Russia and in to China with its destination set as NA its a long way from where its registered is all
Colton Bailey
first wave update coming to a street near you
Dominic Gomez
We have PPE, but not enough to use it how we are supposed to. We have to reuse N95's, we are short on gowns, always have enough gloves and eye protection. Everywhere is experiencing a shortage because we usually don't keep stockpiles, and orders have no ETA for when we can get them. Our state is now pulling from the NSS (National Strategic Stockpile).
>Are you still running EMS calls? Yeah, everything is business as usual. Just using the PPE for calls that get "flagged" that meet certain criteria for it so we don't run out.
James Brooks
Okay that’s basically what I’ve been telling her. She rolled her eyes when I built up a stockpile back in January but she doesn’t now. I instituted strict rules for our family regarding sanitation, hygiene, contact with other people. She groaned when I told her to use disinfectant every time she got in the car, to wash her hands when she got home, to wipe down her computer constantly, to stop going to Starbucks, etc. now she does everything I say. I have thought for a while that the company (high profile in Everett) will eventually have to acquiesce and allow people who can do their jobs from home to do so but God damn do they drag their feet. Their stock tanked after 2 bad earnings calls (unrelated to overall market slump) and that’s really all they give a fuck about. Company has been shit to work for ever since going public.
Grayson Gonzalez
Here are your (You)s
Brody Howard
Use the data from South Korea, it's by far the most accurate and in some ways paints a better picture then Italy or China does.
It's been burning through the US population since November. It started in Wuhan in October. There were at that time 5000-8000 emplanements between the US and China daily. All the talk around Christmas of "muh bad flu season" was COVID.
Best explanation i've heard so far (from a friend in the IC) is that it wasn't an intentional bioweapon attack, but it was a negligent release from a laboratory due to improper destruction of lab animals.
>so there's only so much that can be done to treat it but cannot cure it (as far as i know).
The goal is to treat symptoms to keep people alive, if you do that they fight it off on their own (possibly developing antibodies in the process), if we can do this we keep the health system from being completely overwhelmed long enough that we can hopefully get a a definitive treatment or vaccine. There's about 6 that show promise right now.
This. There's limited resources and triage decisions will have to be made.
Easton Morris
Explain....why we dont explain this factor to people
That's way outside of my education level or knowledge on the subject.
Adrian Murphy
Maybe look for organizations that work in getting supplies to people who needs them and can't get them from panic buying, and donate blood. There's a huge shortage.
Methinks it's worth putting together a Sars-CoV2 volunteer opportunities webpage, if anyone's up to it.
Jack Gomez
I’m also a firefighter/medic. I agree the financial collapse coming with this is the scary part, and I’ve already been exposed to covid19 directly, no symptoms yet and it’s been 2 days, they don’t know what to do with us here. They wanted to take us off duty for exposure but I told them it’s stupid, within 2 weeks we would have no one left to respond to calls and I work in one of the busiest departments per capita in the country. We a fireman first and only run medicals if ems is backed up But we’ve been on so many “flu” calls last week which we never get, I believe the numbers are not even remotely in the same ballpark as what they say, my state is supposedly only in the double digits but if I had to guess It’s clearly in the thousands already here.
Parker Martinez
You do know about the 100 dead virologists and other virus experts who committed suicide in theblast 10 years? You do know this happens to all prominent people who go against the elite/nwo?
Jason Anderson
We have a handful of n95s where I’m at but are told we can’t get more, so we usually have 4 guys on a fire engine but we are only sending one in to deal with a pt now so we can conserve masks and we reuse them unless it seems likely it’s an actual covid pt
Isaiah Reyes
>They wanted to take us off duty for exposure but I told them it’s stupid We talked about the same thing in the last Department of Emergency Management meeting. The test does not rule it out, only confirms you have it, so you are instructed to self quarantine if sick or exposed regardless of test results, but we were talking about what happens when we start quarantining essential personnel when all they really had was a cold because we couldn't rule the virus out.
We are now going to be doing the same thing.
Haven't looked much into it. I'n just saying that OFFICIALLY so far this is not a bioweapon. My personal beliefs may differ.
Alexander Garcia
Hey brother, your department sounds like it’s running similar to mine is, were were told we were not running ems anymore but they all sent us on a couple today, we had the same thing happen where medics may have infected an engine company too, Michigan?
