Communism is a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs. Communism is to be achieved by a transitionary dictatorship of the proletariat(Working Class), and the abolishment of bourgeousie(Capitalist) power.
>Why Communism?
The Capitalist world you live in has failed, corruption and greed corrupt every element of society. Communism is the only ideology that seeks to abolish this liberalism.
>Why give up the 'Third Position' for Socialism?
Fascism and other nationalist ideologies have never abolished the core of liberalism, capitalism. "National Socialism" did not rid Germany of capitalists, it did not rid Italy of economic anguish, and it seeks it's own failure by dividing the proletariat by their race.
It's good to learn, especially in such turbulent times such as these.
Justin Price
Fuck off kike.
Ryder Ramirez
Antisemitism is a distraction from the Bourgeoisie user. Surely you should figure this out by now.
William Lee
>/COM/ - Communism General >4 replies sad! you have to go back
Jacob Gutierrez
The weak-willed give up. Those who inherent the world do not.
John Robinson
Nazis were fighting against Communism. That's why they attacked Jews.
Communism doesn't work, the issues with Capitalism and Socialism is they are improperly implemented.
Capitalism : Turned to Corporatism, which is essentially Socialism for the big Corps and Capitalism for the individual. When Capitalism first started it was the other way around which is why it worked so well. The way to fix the current system is to stop all immigration. Forcing a scarcity in the work force, forces companies to compete with each other for the limited workers, this will raise wages. The way we do it now is flooding our system with low wage works so the individual has to compete with each other for the job, not the way it should be.
Socialism, isn't even done right. Canada is probably one of the more Socialist Western Countries at the moment and it fails at Socialism. The whole point of Socialism is simple, we all pitch in for the benefits of a cheaper product or utility, Canada does not do this. We subsidies the Dairy and Poultry yet we don't get cheaper products, not only this but we mame Private companies by disallowing them to sell. The way we make Socialism work is simple. For Example:
>We need water. We want a good regulated water that is healthy to drink. We decide to subsidies a company, regulate it, and sell it very cheap. This becomes the standard generic product of the country. >BUT, we allow private companies to sell also. Having a regulated, cheap product forces the private sector to compete with that product. So essentially fix the system.
That's how it should be done. Communism is literal retardation.
Nathan Clark
Canada isn't socialist, it's Social Democrat/Social fascist. Welfare isn't socialism, proletariat ownership or proletariat representation of the means of the production is. Hence, the USSR was socialist as it was the representative dictatorship of the proletariat.
And the system you describe working the current Chinese Model. I can give some more clarifications, it is common to confuse Socialism with Capitalist Welfare states.
Landon Young
>Those that inherit the earth Misery for you here and past the valve. Look up Our Lady of Fatima, Our Lady of Guadalupe and the newest evidence on the shroud of Turin.
Consider the true ends of man. They aren't satisfied with materialism alone.
Chase Adams
Religion is a distraction that blinds you to the struggles of the only world that exists, the material world. There is no evidence of supernatural happenings, and focusing on such will yield you no benefit.
Elijah Stewart
>communism was invented by karl marx you may be retarded
>capitalism turned to corporatism. this is imporperly implemented that is not a problem, its something inherent in the system
>point of socialism is we all pitch in no you fucking cretin
Gabriel Rodriguez
Communism was first described by German philosopher Karl Marx. "Primitive Communism" as he described is not the same as his ideal of a Communist society.
Corporatism is a fascist term, but in the sense that you mean, it is very much a problem. A society that encourages greed and selfishness is a society in which everyone will die alone.
Parker Gray
>the USSR was socialist this is factually untrue. All means of production were not democratically owned by the workers. Exploitation was not gone, instead workers were exploited by a bureaucratic parasitical caste. Commodity production still existed.
>religion is a distraction that blinds liberation theology says otherwise. shitting on religion while leaving the forces that make it necessary as a spiritual heart still exist is stupid
>corporatism is a fascist term no it isn't. they may use it but its not a fascist term. it is the system we currently exist in
Hudson Moore
Collectivization only killed due to Kulaks hording grain. Their own greed killed them, crying and blaming a Jewish man doesn't undue death due to rejection of the good of society.
Lincoln Diaz
Marx said communism was directed at white HUMAN only
Niggers weren’t even considered.
Low iq humans can’t have the productivity of high iq.
Niggers average iq is 85 in the USA.
They are useless.
Henry Powell
notice you didn't respond to my other points. ussr was not democratic don't lie. election candidates were chosen not voted on, no secret ballot. stalin had a cult of personality and no checks and blances. it was a dictatorship.
Marx specifically mentioned Communism as something that could be used by disenfranchised races, and supported liberation of African American slaves and desired their support for socialism. If African Americans were "Low iq humans", this does not make them any less capable of functioning in a socialist society. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
It was as democratic as any other state. Stalin was elected because he was popular, and he tried to resign multiple times.
Samuel Rogers
I was for communism before finding out that race are real, blacks have lower iq even when raised in the same environment, allele frequency correlated with low iq are more common in blacks
Dylan Russell
Could I ask why this fact would make you against Communism? It doesn't seem relevant.
Ethan Campbell
>collectivisation only killed due to kulaks hoarding absolutely ridiculous. initial collectivised farms were not particularly efficient and led to shortages. the process was also violent and deaths occured. then you mention kulaks meme without saying how difficult it was to actually know who was a kulak. 'rich peasant' is incredibly vague.
>as democratic as any other state. no you fucking liar. no free elections and no candidates u can decide on is not democratic. a western liberal democracy such as uk in 1945 was far more democratic. reasons for this but its true.
>stalin was elected he was elected because he used his position as general secretary to let tens of thousands of members in to party because of benefits that gave and they voted for stalin cause of this bribe.
Nolan Walker
A peasant who owned land was at the time a rich peasant. The situation in Imperial/Post-war Russia was so impoverished that anyone who owned land was in the upper crust of society. They made the decision to burn grain during a famine, it's very strange to not point blame at them.
Stalin is particularly infamous for antisemitism.
Robert Campbell
That's not how elections in the USSR worked, you couldn't appoint people below you to elect for you, they were elected representatives by civilians. And since the ballots were not secret, and Soviet records became public after the fall of the USSR, we know there was no tampering done by Joseph Stalin.
Luis Butler
yep like how walt disney was an antisemite as well. oh wait that was just a typo. lmao
Marx and Engels reserved particularly negative comments for black-skinned people, who, the latter suggested in so many words, stood a degree closer to animals than the rest of humanity.78 Engels assumed ‘savages’ had reverted to a ‘more animal-like condition’ through ‘regression of the organism [körperlicher Rückbildung]’.79 On one occasion Marx indicated that the form of the skull of the ‘Jewish nigger’, Ferdinand Lassalle, betrayed his descent. ‘Now, this way of linking a Jewish and a Germanic element with the Negro substance is bound to produce an extraordinary product. The pushiness of the fellow is also niggerlike’.80 This passage is again particularly telling because Marx was tracing character, ‘pushiness’, directly to skull and race. But Marx also had a very low opinion of Arthur de Gobineau’s Essai sur l’inégalité des races humaines, ‘An essay on the inequality of the human races’ (1853, 1855). In a 5 March 1870 letter to Laura and Paul Lafargue, he ridiculed the book for deifying the white race and demonizing the black race for evil reasons.81
Julian Lopez
BUMP
Our day draws nearer comrade
"America has become one of the foremost countries in regard to the depth of the abyss which lies between the handful of arrogant multimillionaires who wallow in filth and luxury, and the millions of working people who constantly live on the verge of pauperism." V I LENIN
Why would keep race that is dumber and cause more violence then the rest?
Marxist nowadays read only what fit their narrative on racism
John Fisher
>Collectivization only killed due to Kulaks hording grain.
This is a lie and you know it. Bolshevik Jews starved millions in Ukraine for racial reasons.
Jose Butler
>antisemitism doctor's plot
>anyone who ownled land fucking stupid answer. many peasants who weren't 'kulaks' still owned small amounts of land. to be a peasant is to do subsistence farming on small bits of land. they did that to stop state taking their grains for prices that would cost them money
wtf does this even mean. representatives for election were appointed by party. non secret ballots means that unless you voted for them you would be in trouble. non-secret ballots in a dictatorship is not democracy
Marx had a low opinion of those who demonized the black race because he didn't see racial differences as relevant to a Communist world. But these things are also mostly before Marx's time, and you'd be better suited reading the works of African Socialists or Mao if you care for the topic. Marx himself being a German was Eurocentric in most topics he discussed.
Burkino Faso seemed to advance at a rate far beyond other African states, it's almost as if socialism makes Africans "smarter", and that there's something other than genetics going on.
Not according to any official documents. The grain was literally burnt by angry landowners, this isn't hard to work out.
Jaxon Evans
How cute, a caricature in which Stalin tries to play a human being. He holds the baby like an alien. In the next scene he would drop it like a hot cake.
Both men strongly supported abolitionism. Then again, the question of race remained an issue for them: whether the ‘negroes’ were capable of emancipation at all did represent a real question. In a 14 June 1853 letter to Engels, Marx indicated that, in the past, Jamaica had been importing new negro slaves all the time, making for a population mostly consisting of ‘newly imported barbarians’. On the contrary, the ‘present negro generation in America [represents] an indigenous product, more or less turned into Yankees, English speaking etc. and therefore becomes capable of emancipation’.85
Jordan Johnson
he would drop it because he's mentally retarded and Winston Churchill is his tard guard.
Peasants at the time did not own land, no. Landowners were a class above peasants, and were a very small minority of the populous.
Representatives were not appointed, they were voted in. There were multiple candidates in the party, and there is no record of legal or extralegal punishment for "voting wrong".
Stalin/Molotov tried to make an Anti-Germany agreement with the Western Allies before the war broke out, but was denied. The USSR was only assisted as it was a powerful ally, and was discarded by Capitalist nations after the war was done.
Bernie Sanders is at best a Social Democrat. "Democratic Socialists" get the bullet too.
Because at the time Africans were by all measures "Savages". This isn't racism, Africans at the time used spears and sticks. It's at worst a rude way to refer to a technologically inferior people.
Ryder Scott
Just get infected in china faggot.
Thomas Rivera
Both men strongly supported abolitionism. Then again, the question of race remained an issue for them: whether the ‘negroes’ were capable of emancipation at all did represent a real question. In a 14 June 1853 letter to Engels, Marx indicated that, in the past, Jamaica had been importing new negro slaves all the time, making for a population mostly consisting of ‘newly imported barbarians’. On the contrary, the ‘present negro generation in America [represents] an indigenous product, more or less turned into Yankees, English speaking etc. and therefore becomes capable of emancipation’.85
Dumbass have you ever read anything written by him? Or just nyt edition?
The only solution was mixing to make them less dumb.
They regarded race as part of humanity’s natural conditions, upon which the production system rested. ‘Races’ endowed with superior qualities would boost economic develop- ment and productivity, while the less endowed ones would hold humanity back. Marxist race thinking reflected common Lamarckian and Romantic-Nationalist assumptions of the era.
You read nothing from Marx
Just admit it idiot
Thomas Bailey
He obviously was not referring to race mixing turning Africans into Americans. Africans were culturally assimilated into a Capitalist society, and as such were ready to move onto a Socialist society. Primitive - > Feudalism - > Capitalism - > Socialism - > Communism That's the Marxist path of civilization advancing.
Incorrect, Marx rarely talked on race, and when he did it was almost entirely about liberation of Africans/Blacks. You also make the strange assumption that Marx is infallible, and that socialism does not move on without him.
Lincoln Bailey
no this is factually wrong. candidates were appointed by party. elections were not free or fair.
peasants did own land at the time. the amount of the land they owned did show wealth but peasants did own land you nonce
Matthew Hill
Can you cite something?
I did cite you an actual paper with citation.
Not something written in a feminist journal
Blake Barnes
I asked where Marx said that communism was only achievable by the white European.
You haven't answered: merely continuing to quote E Van Rees's asinine work.
Aaron Reyes
Judaism general? Judaism general.
Matthew Reyes
Are you faggots going to finally stay out of /NSG/ threads or do you whine about it here too.
Noah Cox
Because Marx was a Jew, and also never worked a day in his life. Marxism only exists to serve the Jewish elite, while the average “working class” are reduced to serfs for the international Jew.
Daniel Diaz
wiki articles give no clear idea, may i know the differences between socialism and communism?
They’re the same essentially. Both are Jewish constructs, meant to reduce the masses to slaves for international Jewry.
Isaac Edwards
I prefer to read what the man wrote himself, not what a liberal arts professor wrote about him. Marx having beliefs on race that would be offensive now is irrelevant, as not a drop of it is about any sort of racial inferiority or incapability of functioning under a Socialist system.
Russia not many decades ago abolished serfdom, and most people lived under the equivalent of rural landlords. The communal system was abolished, and most peasants were still impoverished and unable to own their own land, like in China.
The only puppets to Zionism are the ones against socialism.
I have no interest in the Nazi thread as long as i'm not forced to have interest.
Being a Jew is irrelevant, being a Zionist is the issue. Learn the difference.
Socialism is the transitional state to Communism, having workers own the means of production through one way or another.
Communism is a Stateless, Classless society, that will be achieved after Socialism. Socialism is the next step forward, then once we are there we will be ready to step forth to Communism.
Nathan Lopez
did you know that karl marx is the third cousin of the rothschild family. yes that's right the universal jewish banking company.
Races’ endowed with superior qualities would serve as gen- erators of production; the less endowed ones would hold humanity back.
Again it’s there. Why would want to accept dumber humans into paradise?
Keep them out.
If skin is a good metric (and mostly it is) keep them out of paradise
Andrew Russell
Marx was a Jew. His entire system is basically political Judaism. This is indisputable. If you wish to serve to foreskin eating faggots that are the international Jewish elite, be my guest. Something tells me you already have a keen like for foreskin before you were a Marxist.
James Hughes
Are you Jewish?
William Thomas
The fact remains that Marx was a Jew, as are all the major architects of communism. It’s said that even Mao converted to Judaism in private once taking power, to better serve those who propped up his puppet state.
Brandon Rogers
Thats bullshit from SJW
Marx stated that inferior races would hold human back
If you don’t want to admit I don’t care
Live in your bumble
David Lee
Based comrade. We need this daily to convert Natsoc tards
Stalinism is the only acceptable form of communism, everything else is gay as fuck and dysfuctional, no artificial famines are not dysfunctional but a based and effective form of genocide.
>unable to own land peasants could own land after serfdom abolished and they did. just not much or very valuable land. they could AND did own land you fucking idiot.
still referring to ussr as socialist. it wasn't and you know this.
>having workers own the means of production throgh one way or another if its in name only then a capitalistic authoritarian dictatorship can be as companies they must do what the state says.
Juan Gonzalez
>Races’ endowed with superior qualities would serve as gen- erators of production; the less endowed ones would hold humanity back. Where is this written? it's a simple question
Angel Murphy
>each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs by who
Matthew Kelly
You won’t, because communism is a Jewish construct, just like capitalism. You are just the other side of the Yiddish coin.
Lucas Reyes
I could go either way as long as its stalinism, miss me with that gay chink shit.
Adrian Cooper
I can't help those who don't listen, i'm afraid.
Communism isn't paradise, it's a hypothetical society that we cannot understand. It's the equivalent of Socialism as what Socialism is to us now. And no, the solution to Africans and poverty is lifting them up using the socialist system.
Marx as an Atheist, and didn't believe in Circumcision. He also wasn't a Zionist, and as such whatever Jewish Cabal you fear isn't relevant. Find something else to complain about.
No Communist should be, so no I am not.
It's said that Hitler also was a Jew, rumors are irrelevant. Lenin was not Jewish either, he simply was against Imperial anti-semitism.
The Chinese were once thought an inferior race. Now Socialism has brought them to the status of a world power.
Joshua Wood
Except Marx never actually worked, and spent his day with a cock in his mouth, drinking grappa.
Marx was a Jew. Jews are a race, shill, but even if you claim he was an “atheist” it doesn’t change the fact that he was a practicing Jew until the day he died. Complete with eating foreskin and practicing child blood rituals. Again, communism is just another form of Judaism.
Cooper Brown
Could and did are not the same. Wealthy landowners did, not the average peasant.
Under Socialism, the democratically elected State. Under Communism, by your community that you are a part of.
I can wait for you to find a new complaint, i've already explained how Jewishness and Communism are not related.
Stalin was a great leader.
And Engels was a class traitor, being a wealthy businessman himself. They are philosophers, not leaders of nations.
And yet while Marx was against the formation of Israel, you still insist he had some allegiance with Zionists.
Camden Gomez
thank you user that was clear
Brayden Cook
Lenin very much was a Jew, as was Marx and Engels. Jews are a race.
>And no, the solution to Africans and poverty is lifting them up using the socialist system. Gay, we should confiscate their food and cull them to 1/10 of their current population and send the rest to vorkuta.
how does the state determine how much you should be paid, and from whom are you making purchases with whatever it is that you get paid?
Adam Nguyen
Whereas the English industrial and colonial triumphs were partly due to the innate character of that nation, the Asians were defeated because they lacked the entrepreneurial spirit of the European races. And so on.
Please take a look at who won the power.
It’s not Chinese.
It’s just Winnie the Pooh
Chinese are weak minded and easily controlled.
Kayden Smith
>I can't help those who don't listen, i'm afraid. You and your fellow rodents are about as worth listening to as some Indian calling to say that Microsoft has received an alert yada yada send me money, but worse.
There is only one way to deal with Marxist mountebanks, as history has shown quite clearly.
>the solution to Africans and poverty is lifting them up using the socialist system. Like they tried in Zimbabwe, you absolute clown. You're getting BTFO'd on just about every single point you're trying to make. I would like you to give up for your own sake, commie.
Benjamin Gonzalez
Engels was a Jew as well. A “class traitor” is the least of what he really was. He and Marx would sit down and sucks each other off every night, because no woman would have either of them. Thus, they created communism. The classic c u c k ideology.
Luke Perez
Westing time to lift niggers, why? What’s the point even if you could (and you can’t bc of genetics) that would only require time for nothing
Dylan Thomas
Marxism Is by far the most alpha tool to understand the world. It removes feelings from the equation, fascism and liberalism on the other hand is all feelings
they could and did. the average peasant did own a small piece of land. particularly poor peasants did not. but average peasants did.
>under socialism wrong. under socialism it is according to his abilitity to according to the work he has put in
Asher Reyes
cringe
Michael Morgan
Con you ism
Cooper Brooks
I could ask for evidence of him "eating foreskin and practicing child blood rituals", you're incapable of providing any. Marx was by no accounts a practicing Jew, clearly spending more time drinking himself to death than caring for a faith he didn't acknowledge.
Lenin and Engels were not ethnically Jewish.
Africans can create socialism and rule themselves, as has been seen with all races in all parts of the world.
Capitalism and affirmative action are no solutions. Africans who succeed are not those dragged to a cubicle, they are the ones who lift themselves up and reject Capitalism.
Under the Soviet Union the level and skill required of your work determined how much you got paid, and until Perestroika all business was ran by the state. The state being representative of the people, if you disliked your local representatives you could elect someone else. A popular electoral strategy was actually to refuse to vote, as if a candidate did not receive enough of a popular vote they would not keep their office.
The Chinese Stood up, and rose from what looked like barbarity and weakness. I hope you can say the same for Europe one day.
And yet it still doesn't work, the revolution stands.
Zimbabwe was revolutionary, but not socialist. Burkina Faso, Ethiopia, and Mozambique are good examples of African Socialist countries. Not all perfect, but all improvements of their past situations.
Claims made without evidence are refuted without evidence.
Why lift anyone? Leave Africans alone and they will develop socialism on their own.
Back and forth disagreements do not an argument make. I'd recommend you do some research.
Cameron Robinson
>We won’t need unskileed manual workers in the future... Rare metals dont dig themselves out of the fucking ground your statement is as retarded as fully automated communism, it most definitely wont work and is detrimental to people health to rely on them pushing buttons and becoming fat unhealthy couch potatoes, the problem with modern commies is that they rely to much on the star trek endgame where some impossible future where everything is available at the touch of a button, toil the fields and create a healthy people without such illusions and specialized schools for whatever education is neccesary, flight schools, trade school etc. University education should be taught from grade 5-10 thats it if they flunk do another year or off to the fields.
