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Natsoc or Libertarian Yas Forums?

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I'm surprised that you didn't get the message. Libertarianism has been really thoroughly discredited by observing what happened in the 21st century. These days people mainly favor taking women's rights away in favor of giving them to the father or a husband. Also people want to get rid of Jews. If you look around you'll find the arguments.

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I'm not a fucking libertarian lmao. I'm just curious to see what the board thinks.

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Fascist in multicultural societies, Libertarian in monocultures.

They are mutually exclusive

Libertarians get the bullet

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Neo tribalism is both. Why not giving a try after society collapses?

valid point

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im a libertarian but i still hate niggers

Other

why not both?

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Doesn't work

>implying third position doesn't mean freedom for your own
Face it, the only thing holding you back from it is your shallow belief of having to worry about optics.

based and correctpilled

BOTH

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Fascist economics is corporatism. No, corporatism is not what you think it is.
Basically, "corporations" are essentially unions. There are corporations representing both the workers and the companies, with the state serving as a mediator.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

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Yeah fascist economics are actually quite complex and intelligent.

Being natsoc and facist is literally giving up my freedoms
I'd like to keep being free, instead of ousted from society for having an opinion like "i think gays shouldnt be killed or tortured for loving who they do"

Im sure you could develop a middle ground that uses the economic and governmental ideas of natsoc, with a constitution to protect the rights of citizens (not applicable to corporations).

They are mutually exclusive. You can't have a National Socialism with any kind of Capitalism or internationalism, both things that Libertarians cuck out on. The state needs to be large enough to protect the country, direct some necessary economic activity, and maintain social cohesion. Libertarians universally fail on the last one because they don't really understand sociological connections between individuals and groups.

>I don't know anything about fascist economics.
Markets allocate goods and resources for private consumption. Strikes are banned, lockouts are banned, worker exploitation is banned. Unlike in Western Liberal-Democratic-Capitalist countries, the Fascist state is an economic player in itself. It doesn't exist to merely wait for someone to do something wrong and then spend 3 years debating how to resolve the issue. The state directs economic activity, without directly owning or managing it, towards a national interest (obviously not all businesses are under this umbrella), and those businesses who are undermining the National Interest (e.g selling weapons to enemies, pornographers, etc.) are shut down, and any industrial capacity they have is either sold to another industrialist, or placed under temporary management until a new private management system can come into effect.

That's the general breakdown.

There's no such thing as "nazis". Nazis are jewish boogeymen, and the term is only used by jews and their golems to denote someone calling jews out on their bullshit. It's a pejorative.

Is it alright if I admit I don't know anymore?

Yeah, killing them might be a bit overboard, but they should be imprisoned.

Also
>ABLOO BLOO BLOO NEED DADDY GOVERNMENT BOO HOO
only thing stopping you from being a classical libertarian is daddy issues and incelism.

reminder libertarianism is the infant stage of natsoc

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Fascist conception of freedom is different from modern liberal conception of freedom though.

Paleolibertians rise up

National Socialism, of course.
Libertarianism is sadly a failed ideology. Propertarianism I find to be a quite useful modification of it, on the other hand. You should check it out.

No.
Im glad gays got the right to get married in 2015.

cringe

average (((libertarian)))

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I actually consider myself an anprim at the moment, but I might become an ecofascist because there are too many leftie faggots in the anprim community.

Both anti jew world order. Should focus on that, can address differences after.

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I'm classical libertarian theres a difference
Hating gays is immature and solipsitic

>Being natsoc and facist is literally giving up my freedoms
What freedoms are those? In fascist countries, the only freedoms to give up are the right to be a communist, a jew, or a pornographer. And in exchange you're given freedom from usury, niggers, and open sexual displays. What problems do you have, exactly?

>ok with the government telling religious institutions who they can and cannot marry

>libertarian

What freedoms?

>libertarian
>anti jew world order

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Homosexuality is not natural.

until what? later years of gays live closeted and sneak off to have gay sex? honestly how it used to be, not bad

>Hating gays is immature and solipsitic
Them why do you want them to get AIDS and die from STDs?

friendly reminder.

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>Libertarians universally fail on the last one because they don't really understand sociological connections between individuals and groups.
I get this, although I consider myself a libertarian with fascist highlights.

I honestly can't see a pure NatSoc state rise up out of the vermin that exist in the United States today.

Last time I saw a poll like this a few years ago, this shit was neck-and-neck. I hope those fascists and natsocs aren't bots.

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Libertarian
It makes both natsocs and commies seeth just by existing and it's never even fully been tried

Actually libertarians are the ones with daddy issues since their the ones who compare any state with a father who constantly oppresses them.

The same ones listed in the constitution.
Freedom of the pursuit of happiness, life, liberty, of expression, and from opression
Cant get those in a dictatorship

Homosexuality is not bad.

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>I actually consider myself an anprim at the moment
Interesting, how so?
>but I might become an ecofascist because there are too many leftie faggots in the anprim community.
In the end it doesn't matter all too much, whether you're anprim or ecofascist. We can corperate on basis of having the same cultural values, whether we enforce these values through big government or absence of governance is a different question.

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If I was personally leading the country and wanted to aim high and build a better future, a Fascist government with Nazi ideology for sure.

But whether I personally would want to live under such a controlled regime while being a citizen? Not sure. I like my freedoms.
I guess a safer and more advanced society will more than compensate for it.

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>Freedom from opression
yeah sure bud

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It blows my mind that other American's unironically think they're free. The best you have is the opportunity to be free. The education system brainwashes the entire population into becoming employee wageslaves. Anything the elites think they can put into it that will give them an edge over the common person they will use their influence to put in there. If you try to do something on your own you'll realize it's a completely unfair uphill battle, because small business owners are taxed just as hard was wageslaves.

Only investors and major corporations get massive tax breaks. The first because they keep the money in the economy. The second because they give the slaves jobs, which the politicians just view as taxable income. Your leaders just view you as a taxable slave.

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Natsoc

>Freedom of the pursuit of happiness
This is definitely a freedom you can have in a fascist society. You can easily be happy in an ordered and lawful country
>life
Depends. Do you mean NatSoc when you think "fascist?" Regular fascists don't want to purge "undesirables." Mussolini's Italy executed only 12 people in his over 20 years in power.
>liberty
I'll admit, fascism usually does not allow liberty, but there are more democratic forms of fascism, see Oswald Mosley.
>of expression
I'll give you this. Positive expressions in support of healthy ideals are allowed, expressing degeneracy is not.
>and from oppression
I guess that depends on what you consider oppression.

why not?

An ethnostate is the only proper way to make a classical libertarian state
Niggers and and the cult of (((Abraham))) ruins it all the time

Industrial society led to all of the degeneracy and such that exists today. Not to mention that industrialization completely strips man of real freedom (not the libertarian/liberal type) and destroys his autonomy.

It's kinda fucked up, specially the moral relativism part.

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The problem I have with this is: who decides what is "degenerate"?

That is a good one.
Every NatSoc still has a glimmer of Libertarianism, and every Libertarian carries the spart that might once become the NS fire.

Because there is not a single fucking difference between you and a gay man like you except that a gay man likes men
Degeneracy is a completely seperate issue from homosexuality.
Id say alot of the degeneracy seen is from being forced to repress for so long, now that its okay to be themselves they go overboard

>I honestly can't see a pure NatSoc state rise up out of the vermin that exist in the United States today.
Ultranationalism is something that has different brands to different conditions. It exists merely as a counter-position, and is defined by it's opposition to things. A specifically National Socialist state won't arise in America because of it's unique problems and conditions. The most likely outcome for America is that it slowly degenerates into unsustainable conditions, and fractures/Balkanizes into different countries. Diversity destroys social cohesion, and half of your country isn't even white anymore.

>Freedom of the pursuit of happiness, life, liberty, of expression, and from oppression
>Cant get those in a dictatorship
I don't want to be rude, but you're just throwing around buzzwords. Define what each of those means and I can then tell you if you are deluded or not. TO my knowledge, your constitution isn't doing anything, and you live under a greater state of oppression than many other Western countries.

Also man is not meant to live in overcrowded disgusting cities and whatnot. His natural place is in nature, the shift from small tribes into big cities led to a feminizing of men and masculinity.

Logic. If your behavior results in mental or physical health issues or hurts innocent people with no good reason, it's degenerate.

>Industrial society led to all of the degeneracy and such that exists today.
>completely strips man of real freedom
>destroys his autonomy.
Agreed.

>being forced to repress for so long, now that its okay to be themselves they go overboard
Alright, if that were true, maybe we wouldn't have to be against them.
But can you actually prove that is the case?

kek
It's even funnier seeing the strawmen you must maintain to keep your cognitive dissonance from killing you.
You live in the biggest police state on earth next to the UK, yet, you call it free. Why? Because of firearms. Funnily enough, guess what man granted his citizens the very tools used to overthrow tyrants?
Guess what man granted his people pretty much everything but the "freedom" to be literal sodomites that poison and destroy family and tradition? hint: he was third position

Really though, I understand. We've all been there. I was a literal civnat just a few years ago.

Based, good to see another comrade.
The Mouse Utopia Experiment basically proves all of Ted's points, i.e. how the stripping away of the power process leads to nihilism and societal collapse.

>the shift from small tribes into big cities led to a feminizing of men and masculinity.
Exactly. Industrialism destroyed the extended family and gave birth to suffrage.

NatSoc.

How do we live in a greater state of opression than other countries
Besides male genital mutilation for men i mean.
We can deny the holocaust and say nigger, arm ourselves, resist the government any time we please with ease
How are we not free?

Yep. Question then, how do you reconcile with the leftists in the anprim movement?

natsoc gang