What are your thoughts on Alcoholics Anonymous?

Seems to be based and anti-alcoholjew pilled. Also one of the only ways to get real IRL community in this isolated and atomized world. Promotes honesty, integrity, service to others and spiritual connection. It's anti-degeneracy and spreads wholesome values. Could apply the steps to anybody struggling in life, not just alcoholics because it says that alcoholism is just a symptom of deeper issues. Doesn't have to go around promoting itself with ads and marketing campaigns. Doesn't ask for money. People are there who really want to help you. Have you taken the AA Pill, pol?

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I think they're posers who don't even drink. How can they even call themselves alcoholics if they don't drink? Also, don't they sit in a circle and go around telling each other their names? Doesn't sound very anonymous to me. Now this place, this place is the real alcoholics anonymous.

Very low success rate. 1-2 percent.

true strategies can incorporate some Christian cult like that, but needs so much more than that.

Anything to defeat the degenerate (((Alcohol Industry))) is good.

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this!

I dont think there is any amount of alcohol that could make me believe in a higher power.
AA is a cult.

both my parents are ragers. they tried the aa route but only lasted like 6months. me, a highly enlightened, based, and redpilled individual has been sober for 3 years. Whenever I visit either of them they hide their drinking from so hard since I always shame them over it. my mom drinks everything out of paper coffee cups and my dad bought a small fridge to hide in his bathroom. its sad.

yeah I mean low success rate but that's any treatment for addiction. Also, it's kinda hard to measure due to the anonymity and such but I get your point. I just know that everyday in a five mile radius there are people who are celebrating 10,20, even 40 years sober so it works for a lot of people.

>my dad bought a small fridge to hide in his bathroom.
That's hilarious. My grandfather, who lived until he was 86, had a fridge in the basement, where he had his computer, desk, TV. He was retired, and so he would get up in the morning, and he'd go into the fridge and pour himself a beer. He did this for years. When I went to visit him, he told me to drink whatever I wanted. He had Clamato Juice, also, that he would mix with his beer. No whiskey, or hard alcohol, but just beer. He went through a wine phase, also. Why do they hide it? They should just own it and ask for acceptance. As long as they aren't tearing shit up or going crazy.

Really makes no sense. Alcoholism implies you can become addicted to alcohol.
You can't. Letting people believe this is why they don't confront their own issues like you pointed out.
It gives people something other to blame them their own self control. Just like nymphomania. Utter nonsense.

Based and redpilled

I don't think he's recruiting he's just saying that if you drink hard enough for long enough you'll probably die a horrible death

>AA is a cult with a 97 percent FAILURE rate, making in one of the worse help groups you could go to. Half the reason why the failure rate is so high is because alcoholism is misclassified as a "disease" despite being non communicable. It is also treated like a mental disability/ disorsder, which makes reaping the benefits of disability easy. In fact they will put you on disability faster than an actual physically disabled person.
>Not only do they teach you that it's a disease and that you're powerless against it, they enable it by surrounding you with like minded mental misfits who will most likely be your gateway into harder drugs once their little talking session is over. This combined with the fact that you can actually benefit monetarily by reaping the government makes being an alcoholic a good thing from a logical standpoint.
>"I drink and society pays for it because it's not my fault"- AA slogan.
As a kid, the first time I ever heard about AA was reading an interview in some guitar magazine with Arrowsmith members, and Steven Tyler was talking about going to AA in every city he toured. But I think those guys fell off the wagon a lot.

middle one is Drinks Alone

Went for a couple of years. Still sober. There's good to it and there is bad. Most of the people in it are still degenerates and the old timers throw out the same one liners endlessly. If you want a good idea of what AA culture is like, read Infinite Jest.

>there are people who are celebrating 10,20, even 40 years sober so it works for a lot of people.
Those are just people that actually want to stop. If you have the will it's very easy.

>It's anti-degeneracy and spreads wholesome values.

Last meeting I was at had big fat trannie talking at length about how important it is to be honest to yourself.

No one laughed.

>you can’t become addicted to alcohol

Drink heavily for four weeks straight every day, then quit cold turkey. Trust me, you can get addicted to alcohol.

Yeah I can understand your perspective but diabetes is non communicable as are many diseases. I think of addiction more as a spiritual sickness and a bonding disorder. If you don't bond with human beings you're gonna bond with chemicals or donuts or scratch off tickets or prostitutes.

Its actually really easy to measure and AA has been around since 1939

No, "any treatment program sucks", that's wrong.

Modern treatment programs take into account the biological and psychological factors of the patient, not just the idea of "abstinence" and group therapy to get clean. There are phases of recovery your body and mind go through that are purely biologic, not to mention the impact that has on psychology.

There's so much more going on.

AA is fine, it has a higher power which really helps orient people - its just a small part of a true treatment protocol with any success.

yeah but it's really good to be around people who are supportive and living towards similar healthy goals in life which is rare in this world.

I go to meetings in a town where it's 98% white and there's nothing like that but I'm sure it happens all the time in cities. Says more about city life vs rural life than it does the program at large though

>Last meeting I was at had big fat trannie
I'd walk in, see that, and turn around and walk out.

easy to get laid if you are into manipulating girls

Just learn some fucking moderation, in my life I've consumed way more alcohol by volume than any of my peers but have never blacked out and am generally quite healthy, it's actually good for you if you stick to one or two drinks at an opportune time. Having a shot of vodka or rum around noon on your day off while you sit outside and enjoy the day or a glass of whiskey after dinner while you get ready for bed is totally fine, there's a reason why the British Navy used to give everyone a ration of rum every single day.

Even getting mildly drunk once in a while isn't that bad, just know your limits and don't do it all the goddamn time.

Same here dude. Alcohol makes me fat as fuck. I live in a city full of skinny/fit alcoholics and I don't know how they do it.

>moderation
It doesn't work.

>yeah but it's really good to be around people who are supportive and living towards similar healthy goals in life which is rare in this world.
That's also a problem though. Because they're offloading their problems on to others rather then deal with it themselves.
Have you ever heard of those crazy people that say they love one person and when they break up they end up committing suicide.
These people had underlying issues and they offload all that on their significant other rather than dealing with it.
So when they're alone they can't stand it cause they can't cope.
Probably a bad example but why I mean is that the moment those supportive people disappear or that something bad happens to them like a family member dying they just breakdown because they haven't learnt to really stand on their own and need the support of others to stand on their own.
Maybe it's good to say they'll always have the help of others at the beginning but that just ends up turning into a crutch and actually leaves the person weaker.

Quitters are fucking pussies

>>you can’t become addicted to alcohol
>Drink heavily for four weeks straight every day, then quit cold turkey. Trust me, you can get addicted to alcohol.
I honestly physically can't because with the way I binge I'll get alcohol poisoning by the second day.
On top of that maybe your mentioning dependency rather than "alcoholism". I know my friend's father would have probably died if he went cold turkey according to the doctor and I know my father suffered from heavy withdrawal before(also a raging alcoholic).

Was in AA for years. It's nothing more than a cult, and a lame one at that.

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yeah, problem is most of em are borderline personality or were absolutely demolished by dick in their drinking days

fucking bunch of cultists spewing forth with easy does it, one day at a time and other nonsense.

Good way to get off the shit for 30 days then get the fuck out

>the old timers throw out the same one liners endlessly
Explaination? I'm interested.

My brother considers himself a high functioning alcoholic. Drinks to numb emotional pain. Has a bone deep self hatred I didn't know about until I listen to him rant while drunk.

This is no time to be "going to meetings."

When I was a hardcore alky I would drink all day and eat only a small meal once a day, i couldn't eat and drink at the same time, it made me feel terrible or lose my buzz, that was the skinniest I've ever been

>No one laughed.
Because it's not funny. They honestly believe the bullshit they tell themselves
>I'm a man in a women's body or whatever

It's not really anonymous when you go to the meetings and say your name. Totally disappointed me.

You don't get the "drunchies?" Alcohol makes me hungry as fuck, but weed doesn't oddly enough.

useless organization because it correlates freedom from alcohol with slavery to god

switch your vice, still got a vice.

>were absolutely demolished by dick in their drinking days
Yeah. Just imagine all the diseases

you can easily cure alcholism with gabapentin but doctors probably won't perscribe it to you cause they suck

If it works great, the key to getting over addiction is finding your own meaning in life

It's a dissease, i know many alcoholics, the power of will is gone, when become one.

I never really got hungry when I smoked either, and no not really if I did I'd just snack on something a little, maybe pork rinds or something but I never would eat a full meal, I ate way less when I drank everyday

Every men that goes there get brainwashed and end up behaving like ned flanders lolmao

You can become addicted to almost anything. Addiction is the re-wiring of the reward neuropathy of the brain. Equate anything to a reward and the brain becomes hard wired to seek that reward again and again. AA utilizes the power of God to help break those reward patterns

Weed. Does the same. Same benefits. Less violence.

Fuck dude I thought that book was an 18 pack of bud light God I need help

Git gud

>It's a dissease

It's poor impulse control coupled with degenerate behavior. You do eventually become physically dependent on alcohol, but you have to work at it. It's not a disease, it's a long series of bad decisions with physical and mental consequences.

I been in the program for coming on 15 months now. Feels good to be honest. Found some good reliable friends, actually have money now, and don't have to worry about going through withdrawal ever again. I was drinking in the neighborhood of 24 beers everyday before getting sober, started having psychosis type symptoms and was extremely blackpilled. Now I'm slowly starting to bloom. If you anons need help and a solid support network, AA is a no brainer

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Lol. What's his hated for?

My father in law's a 13th stepper. Yes, he did a lot of dope and drank heavily for decades. But the real problem was that he was a pervert. He uses NA as a hunting ground.

>It's a dissease, i know many alcoholics, the power of will is gone, when become one.
Yeah not a disease. They just decide to drink and drink and they're minds start changing and adapting to their new lifestyle.
Some people don't want to drop the lifestyle cause it's just simply not as fun as being drunk.
Don't let him use the disease excuse as a crutch cause then he'll never change because he can just say it's not his fault.
Thing I'm too busy sipping on wine to give my body a chance to get drunk.
Once I out the bottle down though I feel hingry