What is the POLITICAL solution to the fact that fertility doctors are having 70 kids, 200 kids, 600 kids by secretly using their own sperm in place of "anonymous" or selected sperm donors?
They're getting more of their genes into the gene pool than you are, and therefore they're beating you.
Should this be perfectly legal? Or should we put law enforcement inside every fertility clinic to stop this from happening?
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Here are just some doctors who have done this:
Dr Cecil Jacobson, from Utah, US:
>Cecil Byran Jacobson (born October 2, 1936) is an American former fertility doctor who used his own sperm to impregnate his patients without informing them.
>en.wikipedia.org
Dr Jan Karbaat, from the Netherlands:
>Jan Karbaat, who is suspected of fathering up to 200 of his patients’ children
>theguardian.com
Dr Betold Wiesner, from Austria/Britain:
>Dr Bertold Paul Wiesner FRSE (1901–1972) was an Austrian Jewish physiologist noted... for being biological father to upwards of 600 offspring by anonymously donating sperm used by his wife the obstetrician Mary Barton to perform artificial insemination on women at her private practice in the Harley Street area of London
>en.wikipedia.org
Dr Bernard Barwin, from Canada:
>Bernard Norman Barwin was a general practitioner and medical professor... Barwin used his own sperm when inseminating his patients
>en.wikipedia.org
Dr Kim McMorries, from Texas, US:
>Her biological father was not a sperm donor in California, as she had been told — Dr. McMorries was.
>nytimes.com
Dr Donald Cline, from Indiana, US:
>[A] doctor, Donald Cline... without ever telling his patients, Cline had used his own sperm to impregnate women who came to him for artificial insemination.
>theatlantic.com
Dr Paul Jones, from Colorado, US:
>A Colorado fertility doctor has been accused of using his own sperm for women who came to his clinic seeking an anonymous sperm donor.
>About six families are suing Dr Paul Jones
>bioedge.org
I bet there are way, way more.
To reply to some posts from the last thread:
>What is there even to "lose"
The game of life, you fucking moron. Every organism is trying to spread its genes. If a doctor manages to have 70 kids, or 200 kids, and you only have a couple or a handful, then he's doing better than you at spreading his genes. Did you skip biology class at school or something? How can you be this stupid?
>Ban fertility clinics. If you can't have kids, you can't have kids. If you cannot have kids, you should not have kids. Get your defective ass out of the genepool.
That's one solution, but I doubt it would happen. I think better would be to put law enforcement inside every fertility clinic, checking that every sample is what it's meant to be, as it's used.
Some women want fertility clinics to exist so I doubt you could successfully ban them altogether.
>based and sad
It's not based if they're beating you in the game of life, which is to propagate your genes.
>This is a really messed up and unhealthy obsession
But Yas Forums being obsessed with Jews isn't?
You're a literal drooling retard if you haven't figured out that spreading your genes is your entire purpose as an organism.
Of course someone might argue "I think the doctors' strategy sucks because the women will be low quality, and the kids won't have fathers, so they will be be unsuccessful in life". And those points might have some merit to them, but I don't think it's enough to conclusively conclude that these doctors' genes will be doing WORSE than a normal person's in, say, 200 years' time. It's perfectly possible the doctors' genes will be doing BETTER because he spread them so far and wide.
Attempted bump
There is probably a black dude that has 2 to 3 thousand children with various hoodrats and coal burners.
Honestly, it's a job that should be prohibited from men holding. It's just simply too much a risk no matter how reliable the male doctor may be. Like always, a few bad apples ruin the barrel.
Incidentally for what it's worth, I'm a donor.
But my question is what is the right response to these doctors?
Try and emulate them? Become a doctor and do the same thing? Or should we try and prevent this from happening by having cops in fertility clinics?
Your entire purpose as an organism is spreading your genes, and if you have just 2 kids, while a fertility doctor is having 70, or 200, or more, then his genes stand a greater chance of surviving down the generations than yours do, don't they?
The response of "I don't care" is ignoring a potential threat. That seems to me to be a ridiculous response.
Yeah so instead of a white male Dr. secretly seeding with his own sperm you get a white female Dr. sneaking Tyrone's seed in for the sake of diversity.
This guy might have a point: A female doctor might have her own agenda and decide to mix around the samples too.
So really it seems to me that you'd need law enforcement inside every clinic, who do a DNA check on every sample and supervise the artificial insemination.
Inspiring CBS's new hit show- Ballbusters.
Gritty ex detective gone sperm bank cop, James Jamerson, learns his real father was a black junkie crackhead goes on a rampage to bring justice to the corrupt world of artificial insemination.
>"DROP THE JIZZ, NOW!"
>'You can't stop this James! No one can stop this! I'm loading the turkey baster!'
>Woman tied down with her legs spread screaming "No, please, help me! I don't want to birth a half nigger!"
>The Dr screams 'Silence you racist nazi!' as she thrusts the baster between the poor woman's legs
>"I won't let you ruin another life!"
>*BANG BANG BANG*
Yes that's somewhat funny but this is ultimately a serious issue.
You will spend your whole life slaving away to have maybe 2 children, while these doctors are having 80+ kids (in the case of Dr Cecil Jacobson - 8 kids with his wife, plus ~75 with patients), or 200 kids (Dr Jan Karbaat from the Netherlands), or 600+ kids (Dr Bertold Wiesner, born in Austria, relocated to London).
Bump, what does Yas Forums think is the political solution to this issue?
Should we copy these doctors, and become doctors ourselves, to do the same thing?
Or should we put cops in fertility clinics to stop it from happening?
Ignoring it seems stupid. It's possible that their genes will be thriving in 200 years much more than yours are. Which would mean they've had more evolutionary success.
It's not perfect but it's still an extra degree of separation. Look at the list of perps OP showed, out of all of them only one was a female sneaking sperm.
Also, you wouldn't be able to sneak other-race sperm en masse when after the first couple babies born from it come out half-black. The mothers would go straight to the cops.
I’ve read about similar cases to this in the past and it does terrify and enrage me that these men are able to do this. These men are the equivalent of billionaires in wealth but in the competitive space of reproduction rather than economics. It’s the most unfair thing that could possibly happen. I believe it’s a primal reaction of mine to care about this so I can’t put it into more words. I try to forget about this since I believe we cannot so anything about it. Men complaining about other men winning always seems pathetic because women are involved in politics. If politics was only men we could reach an agreement between men on how to control men. Everything comes back to feminism.
The solution is to stop using the clinics. You can't just throw partner selection and mating model out of the window without side effects.
This trend is an equivalent of quantity over quality breeding strategy.
For quickfix measures, maybe adding third party to DNA tests and ensuring integrity of donor sperm sample?
And here I thought I was the only one to consider this.
>Look at the list of perps OP showed, out of all of them only one was a female sneaking sperm.
Er, what? Every doctor is male in this list: >because women are involved in politics. If politics was only men we could reach an agreement between men on how to control men. Everything comes back to feminism.
Women are the ones fighting for legislation on this issue:
>Cases of so-called fertility fraud have prompted other states to enact similar laws that allow patients and children to pursue legal remedies from so-called doctor daddies.
>After discovering the identity of her biological father, Ms. Wiley pressed for a similar law in Texas, meeting with legislators to demand better accountability of what she saw to be a grossly unregulated industry.
archive.is
But the problem with this is that I seriously doubt laws will stop doctors from doing this. Apparently they will now be classified as sex offenders, in those states that have laws about it. But will the doctors care? No. If they manage to have 70 kids, 200 kids, they won't care if they're labelled a sex offender. They will have managed to spread their genes, so any labels don't matter.
It's like El Chapo, the Mexican drug lord (pic). Being arrested doesn't really matter, when he's managed to have something like 15 kids with 4 beautiful women.
do you even read what you are posting? are you aware of your thought processes?
you are a worm. a speck. an insignificant parasite who only occupies itself with the continuation of your "bloodline". You are literally a slave to your own wiring, it's pathetic.
like seriously? are you aware of this? I'm not trying to have a God complex here but I'm literally more of a higher being than you, and it's simply because of the fact that I'm cognizant of my own existence, knowing my own place. the funniest part is you probably think I'm fucking nuts or something, and honestly, you'd be right. I'm aware of everything, and it drives me nuts, but at least I know I'm in control of myself, unlike you. at least I know what I am and what I'm not.
you've deluded yourself so much that you seriously care about spreading your genes as if it mattered. you know you and I are both gonna cease to exist one day right? none of your primal desires fucking matter. none of this matters.
am I gonna stay here and type this meaningless shit up as if I actually mattered? well yeah, but only because I'm already here and I'm bored.
>The solution is to stop using the clinics.
I'm male, I wouldn't use one of these clinics. I'm saying that should we copy these doctors and do the same thing?
Or do you mean, stop women from using them? I doubt you could get that encated into law, because some women want to use sperm donors.
Instead it seems more plausible to me to put law enforcement inside fertility clinics, checking that everything is being done properly.
>This trend is an equivalent of quantity over quality breeding strategy.
Yes it is, but that isn't necessarily a terrible strategy. The more kids you have, the bigger chance you have of your genes spreading in the gene pool. Yes of course quality matters too, but if you're having 75 kids by tons of different women, or 200 kids (in the case of the Dutch doctor), then the genetic variety will be high (high variety of women, surely some of them will be good). So surely at least SOME of your kids will do well.
We don’t have to justify caring about something to you, faggot. Kill yourself
How many women go through a large facility and are successfully inseminated? If there were one male doctor in charge how many could he hypothetically inseminate over the course of a full career?
You're stupider than I ever thought was possible.
You skipped biology classes at school, didn't you? Because if you had paid attention, you'd know that spreading your genes is literally what EVERY organism is trying to do.
>you know you and I are both gonna cease to exist one day right?
Of course we are. But some of us will have left our genes, and those genes will still be here 100 years from now, 500 years from now. But some people, like you, will not leave their genes. You will have lost the game of life.
>has no argument
Are you deliberately trying to show that you're a fucking moron?
>Baalbusters
Oh look, it's the anti-white pic again.
As I stated in the previous thread, why argue with a retard?
We'll both get frustrated and you'll never understand anyway.
See here: I'll pick out a few examples:
>Dr Cecil Jacobs, from Utah, US
Had 8 kids with his wife, and ~75 kids with patients
>Dr Jan Karbaat, from the Netherlands
Had ~200 kids with patients
>Dr Bertold Wiesner, from Austria/Britain
Had 600+ kids with patients
>has no argument
Thanks for admitting that you're dumber than me.
You misspelled (((fertility doctors))). Stop expecting jews to have any shred of morality.
I think you can still do that in 3rd world countries today.
There's that frustration I was talking about.
I can understand you being upset that you can't even get someone pregnant anonymously, but why do we have to put up with it?
Why don't you go get a degree and knock up your own patients if you're so jealous?
Or develop some semblance of game and do what the niggers here do?
I'll tell you why, because you're a paki manlet with no brains and no game.
Stay mad currynigger.
It's not, nor should it be legal. But face it, having your own fertility clinic is done for the same reason people start and run MMORPG guilds: to get stuff. With a clinic, it's to spread your DNA.
Ghengis Khan had to subdue nations. Fertility doctors just need a degree and a storefront clinic.
They're not all Jewish, but even if they WERE, it doesn't matter. What matters is that they're winning the game of life.
Is that story actually true? But in any case, survival rates in third world countries would be lower. Also, half-white kids in those countries might well be ostracised by their communities.
Hell, no ever the Chapo have 70 kids, and he is a super violent criminal, 100% Chad.
Why are you crying like a little bitch when nobody else in this thread is?
I guess it's because you're a little bitch.
It's significantly less of a threat than the future of gene manipulations in fetuses. Every woman is going to want Chad genes. 99.9% of male DNA will never propagate. What this does for evolution, who knows? But it's gonna happen fast
>With a clinic, it's to spread your DNA.
>Ghengis Khan had to subdue nations. Fertility doctors just need a degree and a storefront clinic.
Yeah exactly.
>It's not, nor should it be legal
But then any legal punishment wouldn't deter people from doing it.
This is why I'm suggesting you'd need cops in every fertility clinic, doing DNA checks on samples as they're used.
I didn't say he had 70 kids, I said 15. Apparently it's between 12 and 15 according to this site:
>heavy.com
That's a good point. But that's a different issue. We can tackle that issue later.
This issue is one that we need to solve somehow. If these docs are having 75 - 200 kids (which some of them do - there's also one that had 600+ kids but that's a bit of an outlier), we need to solve that issue, because their kids will be competition to our kids.
We can either copy the doctors and become doctors ourselves, or try and prevent the practice, to make sure they don't have an unfair advantage over our kids.
,,,,,kill whitey.
What the fuck does your post have to do with the topic of this thread...?
yeah that's the point. we are organisms, but all you see yourself as is an organism, not beings. the only way humans are going to transcend at least intellectually is to abandon primal desire and see it for what it only should be seen as, utility.
it's still fucking pathetic, caring solely about spreading your bloodline. you're like fucking roaches. precisely human, yet disgustingly subhuman.
I'm gonna have kids one day, but for different reasons, not desperately hoping to see my genes passed on.
>DUDE I'M AN INTELLECTUAL
No, you're a pseud.
Here's a real intellectual:
>Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office than to serve and obey them.
- David Hume
en.wikiquote.org
Don't respond until you've understood what that quote means.
elitist transhumanism
>population control is the only way, kill them in the womb, release the virus
>impregnates 200+ females without consent
keep parrotting shit you read on the internet, probably makes you feel real smart, especially since you're strawmanning me.
you're an insect.
I don't really care, desu. At some point their descendants will meet my descendants and mix, so it's unlikely that i would lose anything.
> be me
> jizz doctor
> knock jizz on the floor
> v. embarrassing, don't want to tell
> where can I, a humble doctor get a sample of cum in 20 minutes on a weekday
> look at post it note with the wholesaler's number
> no
> look at crackhead jerking off on a rotisserie chicken in the alley
> no
> hang on a minute, what was that thing I did in medical school one time?
> eureka!
You're a pseud, and what I say is true, which is why you were unable to present a counterargument.
I accept your admission of defeat.
>Or should we put law enforcement inside every fertility clinic to stop this from happening?
Yes, because otherwise the possibility exists half-siblings get together and commit incest without knowing.
You'd want eugenics, not "random" donor seed.
>20-20 vision, bright eyes
>high IQ
>northern European
>no addictions, no violence, no crime
>tall, well-proportioned, symmetrical, athletic
>broad shoulders, strong arms
>clear skin
>no allergies
>straight teeth, good smile
>family history clean, longevity
>not bald, good hair, good looks
>even temperament
>industrious
>no ticks, no physical flaws, no mental problems
>religious, devout
>no jewish, gypsy, nigger genes
?
here's a solution:
REQUIRED paternity tests for babies born from fertility clinics. If a doctor is caught fathering children, hit him with child support, potential fines, and put him on a list of fertility clinic frauds to discourage people to do business with him. idk if you have to go so far as to make it a felony. But there are methods you could take to discourage the behavior.
How can religion influence sperm, you idiot. Besides, a religious person would marry rather than cooooooom and spread his dna through retard practices like sperm banks.
Like this sandnigger here:
>278 years in prison
>Can only serve 30
Weird system. Btw, his last name means ''Slave of the Messiah'' in Arabic (and Aramaic?) so i guess he's from one of the many Christian middle eastern families that migrated to South America.
Yes that's a consideration too, but there's also the fact that they're spreading their genes more than the normal, law-abiding man is.
I don't think you understand. These doctors are using their own sperm.
Sure but I bet some docs would still take the risk, because you're spreading your genes. Even the death penalty wouldn't deter some people from it. Because the urge of humans to spread our genes is so strong.
That's why I'm thinking you should really have cops inside fertility clinics, supervising and testing samples to check they haven't been fiddled with.
Interesting, although that's a bit different to using your own sperm to impregnate your patients.
I was giving a eugenics type list to show how different it is from the "random donor" type based on simplistic things like hair and eye-color. I'm not approving sperm banks, you moron. Anyhow, see:
en.wikipedia.org
If your woman isn't going to have your child, why do you care if it's from the doctor or some other random person? It's not any more or less yours than before.
At least with the doctor you know the kid is probably going to have the genes for intelligence and definitely the genes for risk-taking.
>I don't think you understand.
Low IQ individual detected.
picture that guy masturbating
The funniest part about this is that it's gonna be his DNA and cohort of different types of parenting styles. Anyone keep track to see how many of them became successful/doctors? This could be a key study to once and for all dispatch the argument of nature vs nurture. My personal theory is 50 50 split.
That's not the point mate. The point is that they're beating you in the game of life.
I don't think you understand. You must have a very low IQ.
Simple, ban artificial insemination.
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...Because they will be raised by degenerate single mothers or by lesbos or by cucks raising another man's kids.
What is that to me? Them doing better in life doesn't make me worse off, so why should I care?
Nature and nurture are both important. Nature is definitely powerful though. Steve Jobs' biological grandfather, a Syrian dude that he never knew, was a successful millionaire. Which is crazy. Jobs was raised by American adoptive parents, which is why he's called Steve Jobs, when his biological father was a Syrian dude with the surname of Jandali.
That's not going to happen though. But banning this sort of "fertility fraud" could happen.
Wishful thinking on your part. I bet you many of them will succeed.
In fact, this story talks about the children of Dr Bertold Wiesner, who is thought to have had 600 or maybe up to 1,000 kids (he's the guy in the OP picture):
>mirror.co.uk
One of his kids is a barrister, another is a filmmaker. So clearly smart genes create smart people, regardless of upbringing.
I do think upbringing is still important, but if you have a loving single mother, then you can still succeed in life.
YES it does. It creates more competition for your kids.
These doctors, their genes stand a greater chance of survival than yours. In 200 years' time, theirs will probably be around in greater numbers.
They will have beaten you in the game of life.
That's why this is an issue worth considering.
You mean he'll create daughters for my sons to impregnate and sons to take care of my daughters? I'm not really concerned.
>I'm not concerned by people beating me
>In fact I'll gladly give them all my posessions and just go kill myself
>reply 24 times to bait (you)'s
You're definitely a nigger.