If you merely skim the abstract in the JAMA link, you may be misled into believing that the study found nothing of significance. This is because mortality, ICU days, ventilator-free days and so forth were secondary outcomes not expected to result in significant reductions. Primary outcomes were organ assessment and c-reactive protein scores, which were expected to show significance even if secondary outcomes did not. As a result, the abstract merely concludes the primary outcome results; if you read the full findings, the secondary outcomes are astonishing. Incredibly, organ assessment and c-reactive protein scores were not at all predictive of patient mortality during treatment.
The attached chart from the study, for example, shows the mortality rates of patients in both groups. The orange shading is the period during which the treatment group received IVC. Note that the control group was vastly more likely to die than the treatment group as long as the treatment group was receiving IVC; when vitamin c was discontinued, both groups’ mortality rates then began tracking together almost perfectly, while maintaining the mortality difference established during IVC treatment.
The vitamin c dose used in this study was only 50mg/kg patient body weight/6hours. That is considered low among the orthomolecular crowd (the doctors and scientists who have promoted high-dose vitamin c for decades). They would prefer somewhere around 5x that dose, at a minimum, administered for a much longer time.
(cont.) Again for the technically minded, the next question is: what is the mechanism? How does vitamin c kill a virus in vivo? After all, how can we possibly believe any of this if we don't even have a hypothetical mechanism? This is discussed in the above study; other studies have also answered the question. It seems that there are likely multiple mechanisms, with at least two being:
Those being formally hypothesized, the next question we need to address is: "But why is vitamin c so special? It's just some cheap powder, of all the things you could pick (elderberry, garlic, ginger tea, etc.) why would you glom onto vitamin c of all things?" That is assuming that the above evidence is meaningless or unintelligible to the reader, because at this point the technical reader will normally be very interested. Now, the answer to that question is rather simple: because 99.9% of the animal kingdom does not synthesize elderberry, garlic, ginger, etc. in vivo in massive quantities when under stress. Virtually every animal on the planet biosynthesizes vitamin c in massive doses any time they are stressed, and especially when threatened by an acute viral infection (such as, for example, COVID-19).
(cont.) Humans are one of only a handful of vertebrates who cannot synthesize their own vitamin c; all of those who can't are more prone to infectious disease than other animals, and humans are the sole animal among the entire animal kingdom that simultaneously cannot biosynthesize vitamin c and also does not eat a vitamin c rich diet. Fruit bats and guinea pigs, for example, cannot synthesize vitamin c but do consume vast quantities of vitamin c through specialized plant diets. This means they are infection-resistant compared to humans, but still lack the response mechanism to acute infection that other animals possess once the infection does take hold. After all, one cannot simply stuff extra fruit in one's stomach: once it is full, it is full. Other vertebrates (which, again, constitutes virtually the entire animal kingdom) will, when suffering an acute viral infection, increase their vitamin c plasma levels by whole orders of magnitude. These levels can't be replicated through diet.
The next question, then is: "Ok, but if this is so good, and works for COVID-19 (or at least could work) why isn't anything being done about it?"
Something is being done, but Western media isn't reporting on it. First, I want to preface this by saying that the concept of high-dose vitamin c being used to cure acute (and chronic) disease is an entirely Western concept in its origination. All of the doctors who have studied and promoted it are unambiguously from the West (see attached image). However, their work and results have been marginalized, results that are peer-reviewed and numerous in both breadth and depth. I say that to quell any concerns that this is "Chinese medicine" or "Chinese propaganda." It has merely been ignored.
(cont.) With the Coronavirus, however, China began looking at any possible treatment that showed promise. This disaster is much further along over there than it is in the West (for now). And so they came across high-dose vitamin c; specifically, intravenous vitamin c to cure the acute viral infection that is COVID-19. Since that time, the Shanghai Medical Association has released their recommended treatment protocol for COVID-19, which - astonishingly - centers on the use of high-dose vitamin c.
This is the first time high-dose intravenous vitamin c has ever been endorsed for an acute infection by a government body, anywhere. Not only that, but other hospitals across China have tried similar treatments with intravenous vitamin c, and achieved incredible results: 2yuan.xjtu.edu.cn/Html/News/Articles/21774.html
Here is a video of a South Korean YouTuber chronicling the spread of this same information from China to South Korea; this is very fascinating to watch if you have time: youtube.com/watch?v=t2CJmmvpI4w&feature=youtu.be
As a result of these developments, a petition has started in South Korea by the Chairman of the Korean Political Science Association to initiate IVC clinical trials immediately: www1.president.go.kr/petitions/586496
Currently, there are at least three official studies that explicitly test high-dose intravenous vitamin c on COVID-19 patients, here is just one: clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533
(cont.) The government of Shanghai mandated the use of high-dose vitamin c because of preliminary results; that is how compelled they were by early results. Here is Dr. Richard Cheng (PhD, MD) in Shanghai verifying at least three high-dose IV vitamin c trials going on in China right now (note: Dr. Cheng is American; he served in the US Army Medical Corps for many years and has had his own practice in Columbia, VA for decades, but became stuck in China after traveling there to visit his parents for the Chinese New Year): youtube.com/watch?v=VMDX0RSDp1k
Although only an anecdote, here is the same Dr. Cheng discussing a recent case of a critically ill patient in Wuhan who received high-dose intravenous vitamin c: youtube.com/watch?v=6-elCYFhqJs
And here is Dr. Cheng confirming that intravenous vitamin c studies in China are having exceptionally promising preliminary results: youtube.com/watch?v=uwbCCm8Y8G8 (skip to 1:20) Dr. Cheng has a handful of other short videos on the matter, interested viewers would be well advised to watch all of them.
The next question is: "What do I do with this information? What should I buy (if anything)?" First, you should spread this information to friends and family as much as is possible. As for what to do for yourself, I recommend watching the following video. It is the single best summary of Vitamin C, how it works and how to self-administer it in clinical doses that I have ever found: youtube.com/watch?v=JXKuWcB0cI0
If looking for more articles, including historical studies from the pioneers of this research I highly recommend the following website, not for its own articles per se (although they are good) but for the links and references to other scholarly peer-reviewed articles and studies: orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/index.shtml Even if one doubts the orthmolecular.org site, the scholarly papers cited therein are fully credible.
(cont.) Lastly, if you don't have the time or patience to watch the video immediately above, then my recommendation is to begin taking 3 grams per day (spread out as much as possible) of either ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate (it doesn’t matter which; the cheaper the source the better, bulk powder is usually cheapest). At the same time, stockpile at least 60 grams of liposomal vitamin c. Ensure that the liposomal vitamin c you select contains only the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin c, with essential phospholipids, purified water, alcohol, and citric acid as the only other ingredients; absolutely avoid any brand marketed as a “dry liposome” and any brand containing ascorbyl palmitate. Alternatively you could make your own, although it's not particularly easy, see qualityliposomalc.com/ for instructions. If you become sick and suspect that it is COVID-19, begin taking 6 grams of liposomal vitamin c per day, spread out as much as possible, and at the same time, increase your ascorbic acid (or sodium ascorbate) intake to bowel tolerance (that is the point at which you become gassy and experience loose stool).
Best of luck anons. I'm posting this for your benefit. I hope you'll bump, investigate, take action, and stay healthy.
the cure is heat. being aryan helps. and not being old. im sure vitamin c might help too. I have t1 diabetes so idk if ill die
Isaac Rogers
BUMP TO SAVE MORE ANONS
William Foster
>i have t1 better start trying to cross things off your bucket list.
Blake Russell
a possible 10% increase in survival is better than 0% my nigger.
Matthew Howard
>Hey everyone, I'm very dumb We know, user.
Alexander Sanders
Im pretty sure ur the nigger posting corona threads and i think youre actually a shill attempting to control the info
U have a tendency to cut the threads off short or when important info is posted.
Pretty sure u can go fuck yourself. No argentinian nigger would be so interested.
Samuel James
What makes you think the phage entry mechanism is anything like the coronavirus entry mechanism?
Gabriel Clark
U are mistaken my friend. I dont have to prove myself to you but if you want a proof of anything let me know. You don´t believe the power of vitamin c over your inmune system?
Anthony Hughes
He's been posting these threads for at least a week. Every time he posts this thread his posts are a little bit different. The optimist in me thinks he adjusting due to the discourse these threads always start. Making them more and more bullet proof. The pessimist in me thinks he's sending me down a dead end road to his own profit. Oh well, time to take some vitamin c :) HONK HONK
Jose Peterson
>Im pretty sure ur the nigger posting corona threads ohhhh that guy, no im not him and im actually quite suprise that user is from argentina
Zachary Harris
You know whats hilarious reading these threads. The fat retards freaking the fuck out about over dosing on 12g of Vitamin C >MUH KIDNEYS >MUH POOPING Yet sit happily chugging drinks with 10-20g of sugar and enhancing their fat rippling chins with 10g of salt and multitudes of saturated trans fats. Fucking retardery at its absolute finest.
Dominic Thomas
How do I know that you're not just trying to weaken me by giving me explosive diarrhea(loss of nutrients/dehydration)?
Ian Flores
Bump. I’ve been dosing vitamin C like crazy. 20000mg a day. Gives me awful diarrhea and on the plus side I get to use all that toilet paper I stocked up on.
Cameron Walker
Looking to buy vitamin C. Quick question:
Sodium Ascorbate (Buffered) >more expensive (~$24/KG -- AUD) >easier on your gut Ascorbic Acid >less expensive (~$20/KG -- AUD) >Some people find it hard on the gut
Is Sodium Ascorbate less powerful since it's buffered? I have no idea about these things, please help me understand!!
SAGE THIS IS NOT A CURE THIS DOES NOT SHOW PREVENTION EITHER
THIS IS A POSSIBLE 10% REDUCTION IN LETHALITY AT BEST
STOP SPAMMING THIS IN EVERY THREAD U SHILL SCUM
>SAGE
MODS THE OP IS SPAMMING EVERYTHING THREAD LIKE A NIGGER
John Davis
this is a guy selling overpriced vitamin C from LivOn. he was shilling his site a lot in last thread but seems to have taken out the links to his website to avoid a ban overdosing on vitamin C will give you kidney stones and diarhhea, do not take medical advice from OP, he's just trying to sell you $20 of vitamin C per day from his website, claiming other vitamin C does not work.
he also posts on proxies at an attempt of astroturfing consensus.
ok if we're seeing posts like this, vitamin C is probably pretty useful.
Lincoln Robinson
2nd shill detected >this is something u can google in less time that u wrote that >Bumping a CURE THREAD where no CURE is posted
shill OP/10 And youre a shill poster
Joseph Nelson
Thank u my nigger
Based and SAGEpilled
Nolan Wood
1. Multiple mechanisms are hypothesized for in vivo cytotoxicity of nCov19, so the Fenton mechanism isn't even required for OP to be correct. 2. Iron or copper would only need to be accessible on some part of the virus, not necessarily the entry mechanism as per some phages. 3. Evidence strongly supports ascorbate cytotoxicity of all viruses regardless of the Fenton mechanism. Had you continued to explore you might have learned that. But you stopped. Quitter.
Easton Scott
Nice proxy faggot.
>OP SPAMMING THAT HIS IDEA IS A 'CURE' IN EVERY FUCKING THREAD >NO CURE POSTED IN THE THREAD >NOT EVEN A PROVEN TREATMENT >SPAMMING VITAMIN C TO GET U TO BUY SHIT FROM HIS STORE
Im assuming youre the OP and posting from a proxy. You sir are a faggot
SAGE
Jordan Harris
>THIS IS A POSSIBLE 10% REDUCTION IN LETHALITY AT BEST works for me dude
Adrian Lewis
>THIS IS A POSSIBLE 10% REDUCTION IN LETHALITY AT BEST Was having my doubts but you sold me on vitamin C now. Thanks!
I’ve been taking thousands of mg of vitamin c a day for years and never once got a kidney stone
Nicholas Brown
I have googled it, I didn't see what I was looking for/don't understand it. Maybe you can share the links instead of going on an emotionally charged tirade. Or should I say: >吃屎和死,雞巴浮渣
Sebastian Ross
>Ctrl+f >LivOn >Only result is your post user, I....
Carter Allen
20 bucks buys me enough vitamin c powder to last like half a year, even with the huge doses he’s recommending. It can’t hurt you and it might actually do some significant good, so I’ll take the 20 dollar gamble one way or the other.
Jace Thomas
I'm not the OP. But you seriously need medication. Like more than just vitamin C.
Samuel Hernandez
this is a spam pasta for retards. the jama article says it doesn't do anything.
Grayson Ramirez
What happens when she takes off her neck rings? Does her head naturally stand up like that or will it fall to the side or something?
Eli Reyes
Thank you for the info user. What about vitamin C pills? Will those do any good?
Kevin Wood
Imagine shilling for a vitamin top kek
Grayson Reyes
Actual answer about 10g ascorbic acid form, 5g liposomal over the course of the day is a good start. You can take as much as you want to bowel tolerance, meaning you start shitting it out and you flat out can't do it. There is no toxicity
Kayden Richardson
Even if it doesn't do anything -- although from what I've read it seems to help in fighting sepsis and severe ARDS -- it will give doomers hope. Stress is terrible for the immune system, so sitting here day after day, week after week reading about how we're all going to die is literally bad for your health and may kill you. >Once again believing there is a cure reduces stress and increase your immune system.
Yes they will. Any source of large amount of vitamin C will work.
Caleb Ortiz
What is this from? You would need to show excretion and dosage regimen for this to mean anything, not saying that it doesn't.
Caleb Garcia
>In contrast, vitamin C intake was not associated with risk. The multivariate relative risk for women in the highest category of vitamin C intake (> or =1500 mg/d) compared with the lowest category (
Gabriel Scott
isnt that that study not with liposomal but with"liposomal" ester vitamin c?
Hunter Martin
>vitamins Don't forget to take your daily ZINC supplement. Chronic masturbators like OP need to replenish depleted ZINC daily in order to stay healthy. Don't wait, eat ZINC.
Tyler White
I didn't read a single word in this thread. Is 1500 mg of vitamin c enough to protect me from chinkbola?
>Following baseline blood collection, participants were administered one of the following four treatments: (1) placebo, oral consumption of 16 mL of water; (2) oral consumption of unencapsulated vitamin C, 4.25 g of 94% sodium ascorbate (equivalent to 4 g of vitamin C) dissolved in 16 mL of water; (3) oral consumption of vitamin C encapsulated in liposomes (equivalent to 4 g of vitamin C) suspended in 16 mL of ultrahigh purity water (see below for more details); and (4) intravenous administration of vitamin C (Bioniche Pharma), 4 g dissolved in 100 mL of saline and administered by automated infusion pump (Harvard Apparatus) over one hour (1.667 mL/min, equivalent to 67 mg/min)
>The liposomes were provided by Empirical Labs. The formula consisted of 136 mg of mixed natural phospholipids and 284 mg of USP sodium ascorbate (NaA), in a total volume of 1 mL
Nolan Reed
>mfw I've been eating around 10 oranges/clementines per week for your entire life.
if you look up titration on doctor yourself d com you'll get vit c bowel tolerance instructions, basically take crystals mixed in water until dissolved, until you have stomach rumbling, too much gives you the shits, which is temporary and harmless
Jason Perry
I hate needles. Can I eat the vitamin C or do I really have to inject it?
rob schneider was shilling vitamin c on Twitter the other day. the hot chick knows what’s up
Tyler Clark
>Following ingestion, subsequent vitamin C bioavailability is largely determined by rates of intestinal absorption and further influenced by renal reabsorption and excretion.14–16 Sodium-dependent vitamin C transporters 1 and 2 are the primary mediators of intestinal absorption and renal reabsorption;
They go on not to mention this ever again. These guys don't know dick, and the studies of vitamin c go back like 80 years or something as far as the effect using the same molecules. This is a hit job to make way for a fancy preparation to be sold at a higher cost IMO. Gullible!
Thomas Mitchell
she chokes. her neck is permafucked.
Lincoln Diaz
dunno but sodium ascorbate obviously breaks down into sodium in your body, so if youre megadosing C, youre also giving yourself a lot of salt you dont need.
Lincoln Cox
Also, this study is like 500 words long on 11 people. These guys some retards and u 2
Gavin Morgan
Time to munch on some fuckin ORANGES bois
Adrian Ramirez
I sincerely hope you faggots get coronavirus and try treating it with vitamin C. That shit works on AIDS and cancer too.
Tyler Ross
I saw some documentary about this. Its not elongating the neck as much as pushing the shoulders and collar bones down over time. The rings are weighted. Not sure what happens if they're taken off though
Caleb Gomez
lot of paid fear-mongerers in this thread....
Carter Hughes
I cured most of my AIDS by microdosing ZINC every day and eating spoonfuls of coconut oil.
Robert Gray
> just drank some fresh orange juice, feeling invincible
Michael White
I've been taking a multivitamin, c, zinc, and fish oil daily for 2 months now. Also 10000 units of vitamin d twice a week
Adam Wood
Lots of strong shallow opinions from pharma shills I think. Can't make money off Vitamin C... check out Thomas Levy talking about it. I like to listen to doctors with successful careers actually treating patients. Hope the best for you all, but die if you deserve it ok.
Kevin Walker
i survive on pussy and forsythia, but yeah, i def take lots of vitamin c, d, and zinc
