I'm more of an agnostic because I don't really know if there is a God or not and the universe is a lot more vast and alien than we know and I think it is incredible arrogant to claim that there is a God or there is not.
What do the Theists of this board think of me? Am I a tipper or no?
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God is not some item in the universe, not some cosmic superhero.
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I've had similar thoughts recently. I believe strongly in reincarnation and that death is impossible because there is no such thing as nothing and zero is zero and if death and eternal nothingness where really possible then there nothing rather than anything in the first place. I also believe this is an effective cure to Nihilism because we might always be here so we might as well try to find and create meaning for it all.
Sounds pretty retarded to me.
What's retarded about it?
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Just a question Germanbro; what do you personally think happens after we die?
Lots of leaps of logic there. For one it assumes that causality as understood currently by man was always so. The other major one is it also blurs between causality and time progression
Heaven, purgatory or hell. Turns out the biggest tradition has put the most thought into it and has the best answers.
> For one it assumes that causality as understood currently by man was always so.
You can also say "reason". It's similar to arguing in mathematics. The area of a circle is a certain amount be*cause* of its radius.
>The other major one is it also blurs between causality and time progression
It's not arguing from temporal series, like a row of dominos falling over. It's arguing from an essential series, like that train example.
It's asking: If all material things need their potential to be actualized, that actualizer must not be material.
If there is valid reason to believe then there is no reason to believe there is arrogance
That is, to believe either way.
Why cant potential be inherently actiualized?
What reason do you have for believing then?
God is a social construct for slaves
Divine conservation. Basically
because things don't actualize themselves. It's like arguing the pen might actualize its potential to be on the floor. But the pen only goes on the floor when someone throws it there. Self-actualization would mean that things can suddenly fly around, bend or even pop into existence from nothing.
Why doesn't the potential red elephant in your room actualize its potential to be there? Potential things can't actualize.
Why cant two items help actualize each other?
What makes you so sure of that?
You have no meaningful convictions and reject God because you subjectively dislike Him.
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I don't "Dislike" God, I'm just not sure if it exists. Also what do you mean I have no convictions?
Because then you have a circular logic. It's like saying two cubes of ice are both potentially hot, so they melt each other. It doesn't follow. Things can only have an effect according to their actual state. H2O can only cool when it is actually cold itself, when it is actually ice.
That only works materially. Dont men work and choose their own destiny?
Sure, men have free will. But I don't want to open the discussion of God's supreme will, predetermination, fore-knowledge and all that, I'm going to sleep. The first picture has a link to my discord, so you can message me if you want.
Still didn't get an answer.
Proof requres evidence.
And some badly reasoned essay of the watch maker arguments or leaps in faith.
Something tangible logically sound, and some emperical evidence to support it.
Inb4 watch maker argument
Inb4 some obscure txt of desert kike babble.
Realizeing life has no inherent meaning doesn't stop you from giveing to your own, that is the nature of subjectivity.
You naturally attribute meaning to things to give life continuity.
So what do you honestly believe then bong? About God, about what happens after we die? Honestly as much as I like science I think it's boring on it's own without some religious theology thrown into the mix.
Those that need a crutch will find one in any byways and without and external authority most perish under the weight and freedom of there own choices.
>You hate something you don't belive in
The strawmen of abraham.
Basically there saying if you don't belive in what they do, you don't belive in anything.
This is the nature of fanatic's.
>most perish under the weight of their own choices
So I take it you don't believe in freewill then?
>It's boring.
Maybe to you, but do you need fantsy and reality to overlap for existence to have personal significance?
Where were you before you were born?
Where does the flame of a candle go when the wick burns out?
Why do you think science is a requirement to disprove god, when inductive logic will do the job?
Old atheist literature will teach you a great deal more about it than you coukd ever learn from some test tube droid.
Are you honestly that egotistical that you think you have eternity? Or is just to confort yourself against the fear of the unknown?
To be sure while you are here death isn't and when it is you aren't, what then is there to fear exceot perhaos the discomfort before you cease.
Body am i entirely and soul is but an echo of the flesh.
Never said that, you have the illusion of choice, so exercise it, but what causes to make any given choice and any given point you can't be entirely certain of, christcucks and determinists alike.
>I don't really know if there is a God or not
You can't know. Gods are mental fictions that can only be believed or not believed. There have never been a single bit of knowledge about any god ever. Gods can only exist outside the realm of knowledge.
>I'm more of an agnostic
Either you believe or you don't believe. If you don't believe in any gods, there's your answer
>You have no meaningful convictions and reject God because you subjectively dislike Him.
What god?
>Where does the flame of a candle go when the wick burns out?
I don't think that's a good analogy for death because you can't really compare the complexity of the mind and consciousness to fire which is not sentient.
>Are you honestly that egotistical that you think you have eternity? Or is just to comfort yourself against the fear of the unknown?
I suppose you're right about this one that was a little egotistical for me to say, but I still strongly believe in reincarnation and I suppose there could be a way to "Break" the cycle of reincarnation to achieve either eternal life or eternal rest.
>To be sure while you are here death isn't and when it is you aren't, what then is there to fear perhaps the discomfort before you cease.
You have a point with this one and I have thought about that as well. If everyone were to treat life like a video game where you just respawn after death and everyone were also aware of infinite reincarnation it would take away the fear and threat of true death and kinda take away a major motivation to think about death, but on the other hand if everyone were so afraid of death because this is the only life and after you die "that's it" then I don't think people would be very risky with their lives anymore and would just shy away from any and all dangers.
>You can't know. Gods are mental fictions that can only be believed or not believed.
If that's true then how do you know they are just mental fiction if I can not know?
I don't think that's a good analogy for >death because you can't really compare the complexity of the mind and consciousness to fire which is not sentient.
Im sorry you don't understand nurology.
I suggest you study stroke victims and Alzheimer's patients, and do so without injecting your magical presuppositions.
You will find consciousness is a byproduct of a functioning mind.
So what do you believe about what happens after we die?
>Either you believe or you don't believe. If you don't believe in any gods, there's your answer
Again, I reiterate; The Universe is much more vast and and alien to us than we currently know, what makes you so sure that there is no God?
Also are you actually asking what God is he talking about or are you just saying that because you don't believe in any gods in general?
>If that's true then how do you know they are just mental fiction
The thousands of gods fabricated thus far have invariably been mental fictions. There's nothing new or different about the current crop of gods, just plagiarism, stolen stories and self-contradicting nonsense.
>I can not know
What do you know about Spiderman? Nothing. He is whatever the story tellers tell you to believe. It's the same with all supernatural beings. You must suspend disbelief and pretend they are real like all the other children do.
>So what do you believe about what happens after we die?
We die. The consciousness that inhabits this cranial cavity will no longer have a viable place to reside. Might be the same as before I was born.
>what makes you so sure that there is no God?
What god?
How do you know the brain isn't just a tool that the soul uses to interact with the world? Just because you cut the cord to a video game controller to a console doesn't mean that you yourself stop existing.
>Also are you actually asking what God is he talking about
That hardly matters to a non-believer. There's not a dimes worth of difference in any of the tales.
>are you just saying that because you don't believe in any gods in general?
This. I believe in all kinds of irrational crap, but not any gods.
>The thousands of gods fabricated thus far have invariably been mental fictions. There's nothing new or different about the current crop of gods, just plagiarism, stolen stories and self-contradicting nonsense.
So everything is spun off from Vedism?
>Believe in the vast, unknown, alien space frontier. Something immeasurable, not able to be properly seen, takes faith to believe in its vast unknown knowledge.
>Has trouble contemplating a supreme being able to operate beyond our known understanding of physics and time.
Some people...
>I believe in all kinds of irrational crap
Curious, what would some of those beliefs be?
Alot of the myths existed in antediluvian times. Shit died off. Mass extinctions everywhere, including deities like Odin, Zeus, Krishna, etc etc.
So user what do you believe about God and what happens after we die?
Maybe all of these deities are just ways that God expresses itself and are just interpretations of God like a painting?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
not krishna. krishna was just some random dude, and a fraudulent liar
a lot of other hindu gods were real though
esoteric hinduism says that the gods in the myths are all the One God playing multiple characters in a play
>There's nothing new or different about the current crop of gods, just plagiarism, stolen stories and self-contradicting nonsense.
The Abrahamic religions? Absolutely. I can't see how ethnic religions plagarized off each other when they are so vastly different. What are the similarities between Germanic Paganism and African folk religion and Hinduism? Almost zip
I believe in Jesus and his word. However, i believe that whole event, God checked out. Left us to fend for ourselves in a way. Was the only way to allow people to truly chose him out of free will, and not be forced. This is an over simplification, dont wanna dive head first into this shit if thread gets locked while im typing.
What happens aftee we die? Like the afterlife, or literally right after? Not too sure. Not too concerned with it, all i can do is try to be a good boy, do right by God and hope i earn approval. Shouldnt worry too much about what happens afterwards.
>esoteric hinduism says that the gods in the myths are all the One God playing multiple characters in a play
Yeah that would be closer to what I believe about God. But then again if everyone were aware that all the gods and religions were just one god expressing itself in different ways then that would probably take away from the diversity in religious though. Kinda of like how if there were no borders there would also be no different cultures or a certain culture becoming too big and cultural Imperialism becoming a thing. I also believe just like my earlier post said about everybody becoming aware of infinite reincarnation would possibly take away the fear of death.
No, i believe they were mixed breeds of fallen angels and humans, also weird hybrids created by the fallen angels. However, none of them were immortal.
All these deities have demonic traits, and horrible evils associated with them. As well as their miracles and good deeds. But, they were still ultimately born from Lucifer.
Our history is a complete mess of lies, forgotten peoples, destroyed societies etc etc. Our timeline is all wrong, and I think everything is longer than interpreted. Too many liats and thieves have plagued anthropology and archeology. How can we trust man?
>arrogant to claim there is a God
How is that arrogant? He literally revealed Himself to us.
off topic. quit shitting up the board. faggot.
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Do you believe in reincarnation? Personally I agree with the personal tenants, you come from nothing and go back to nothing and you'll come from nothing again.
>it is...arrogant to claim that there is a God
In no way is it arrogant to claim God exists for those who have met Him.
In fact, when a person finally comes to the realization that He is real, it is a very humbling experience.
On the other hand, you are right in saying that it is arrogant to claim there is no God, because from this viewpoint the highest levels of importance is in the finite and corporeal rather than the infinite and spiritual.
>Shouldnt worry too much about what happens afterwards.
That's kinda boring though, you should look at the wikipedia article on the afterlife. I do think you should try to be a good person but on the other hand I'm kind of a moral relativist.
Of course I believe in reincarnation I have said so in my previous posts.
You guys haven't taken the theistic-existentialism pill yet?
yes. I in part think everything is pretty much "God" observing himself and various permutations OR observing a project separate from its essence.
The first one I am more into. It doesnt matter who/what is that Godhood, nor I think it can be discerned now or ever. Hell, sentient life might be a side-effect and God might not be a sentient thing himself.
Its tiresome working on assumptions looking for a backdoor to truth that would exist ONLY if was left behind for thst very reason - to confirm it for once.