If you merely skim the abstract in the JAMA link, you may be misled into believing that the study found nothing of significance. This is because mortality, ICU days, ventilator-free days and so forth were secondary outcomes not expected to result in significant reductions. Primary outcomes were organ assessment and c-reactive protein scores, which were expected to show significance even if secondary outcomes did not. As a result, the abstract merely concludes the primary outcome results; if you read the full findings, the secondary outcomes are astonishing. Incredibly, organ assessment and c-reactive protein scores were not at all predictive of patient mortality during treatment.
The attached chart from the study, for example, shows the mortality rates of patients in both groups. The orange shading is the period during which the treatment group received IVC. Note that the control group was vastly more likely to die than the treatment group as long as the treatment group was receiving IVC; when vitamin c was discontinued, both groups’ mortality rates then began tracking together almost perfectly, while maintaining the mortality difference established during IVC treatment.
The vitamin c dose used in this study was only 50mg/kg patient body weight/6hours. That is considered low among the orthomolecular crowd (the doctors and scientists who have promoted high-dose vitamin c for decades). They would prefer somewhere around 5x that dose, at a minimum, administered for a much longer time.
(cont.) Again for the technically minded, the next question is: what is the mechanism? How does vitamin c kill a virus in vivo? After all, how can we possibly believe any of this if we don't even have a hypothetical mechanism? This is discussed in the above study; other studies have also answered the question. It seems that there are likely multiple mechanisms, with at least two being:
Those being formally hypothesized, the next question we need to address is: "But why is vitamin c so special? It's just some cheap powder, of all the things you could pick (elderberry, garlic, ginger tea, etc.) why would you glom onto vitamin c of all things?" That is assuming that the above evidence is meaningless or unintelligible to the reader, because at this point the technical reader will normally be very interested. Now, the answer to that question is rather simple: because 99.9% of the animal kingdom does not synthesize elderberry, garlic, ginger, etc. in vivo in massive quantities when under stress. Virtually every animal on the planet biosynthesizes vitamin c in massive doses any time they are stressed, and especially when threatened by an acute viral infection (such as, for example, COVID-19).
(cont.) Humans are one of only a handful of vertebrates who cannot synthesize their own vitamin c; all of those who can't are more prone to infectious disease than other animals, and humans are the sole animal among the entire animal kingdom that simultaneously cannot biosynthesize vitamin c and also does not eat a vitamin c rich diet. Fruit bats and guinea pigs, for example, cannot synthesize vitamin c but do consume vast quantities of vitamin c through specialized plant diets. This means they are infection-resistant compared to humans, but still lack the response mechanism to acute infection that other animals possess once the infection does take hold. After all, one cannot simply stuff extra fruit in one's stomach: once it is full, it is full. Other vertebrates (which, again, constitutes virtually the entire animal kingdom) will, when suffering an acute viral infection, increase their vitamin c plasma levels by whole orders of magnitude. These levels can't be replicated through diet.
The next question, then is: "Ok, but if this is so good, and works for COVID-19 (or at least could work) why isn't anything being done about it?"
Something is being done, but Western media isn't reporting on it. First, I want to preface this by saying that the concept of high-dose vitamin c being used to cure acute (and chronic) disease is an entirely Western concept in its origination. All of the doctors who have studied and promoted it are unambiguously from the West (see attached image). However, their work and results have been marginalized, results that are peer-reviewed and numerous in both breadth and depth. I say that to quell any concerns that this is "Chinese medicine" or "Chinese propaganda." It has merely been ignored.
(cont.) With the Coronavirus, however, China began looking at any possible treatment that showed promise. This disaster is much further alone over there than it is in the West (for now). And so they came across high-dose vitamin c; specifically, intravenous vitamin c to cure the acute viral infection that is COVID-19. Since that time, the Shanghai Medical Association has released their recommended treatment protocol for COVID-19, which - astonishingly - centers on the use of high-dose vitamin c.
This is the first time high-dose intravenous vitamin c has ever been endorsed for an acute infection by a government body, anywhere. Not only that, but other hospitals across China have tried similar treatments with intravenous vitamin c, and achieved incredible results: 2yuan.xjtu.edu.cn/Html/News/Articles/21774.html
Here is a video of a South Korean YouTuber chronicling the spread of this same information from China to South Korea; this is very fascinating to watch if you have time: youtube.com/watch?v=t2CJmmvpI4w&feature=youtu.be
As a result of these developments, a petition has started in South Korea by the Chairman of the Korean Political Science Association to initiate IVC clinical trials immediately: www1.president.go.kr/petitions/586496
Currently, there are at least three official studies that explicitly test high-dose intravenous vitamin c on COVID-19 patients, here is just one: clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533
(cont.) The government of Shanghai mandated the use of high-dose vitamin c because of preliminary results; that is how compelled they were by early results. Here is Dr. Richard Cheng (PhD, MD) in Shanghai verifying that there are at least three high-dose intravenous vitamin c trials going on in China right now (note: Dr. Cheng is American; he served in the US Army Medical Corp for many years and has had his own practice in Columbia, VA for decades, but became stuck in China after traveling there to visit his parents for the Chinese New Year): youtube.com/watch?v=VMDX0RSDp1k
Although only an anecdote, here is the same Dr. Cheng discussing a recent case of a critically ill patient in Wuhan who received high-dose intravenous vitamin c: youtube.com/watch?v=6-elCYFhqJs
And here is Dr. Cheng confirming that intravenous vitamin c studies in China are having exceptionally promising preliminary results: youtube.com/watch?v=uwbCCm8Y8G8 (skip to 1:20) Dr. Cheng has a handful of other short videos on the matter, interested viewers would be well advised to watch all of them.
The next question is: "What do I do with this information? What should I buy (if anything)?" First, you should spread this information to friends and family as much as is possible. As for what to do for yourself, I recommend watching the following video. It is the single best summary of Vitamin C, how it works and how to self-administer it in clinical doses that I have ever found: youtube.com/watch?v=JXKuWcB0cI0
If looking for more articles, including historical studies from the pioneers of this research I highly recommend the following website, not for its own articles per se (although they are good) but for the links and references to other scholarly peer-reviewed articles and studies: orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/index.shtml Even if one doubts the orthmolecular.org site, the scholarly papers cited therein are fully credible.
(cont.) Lastly, if you don't have the time or patience to watch the video immediately above, then my recommendation is to begin taking 3 grams per day (spread out as much as possible) of either ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate (it doesn’t matter which; the cheaper the source the better, bulk powder is usually cheapest). At the same time, stockpile about 60 grams of liposomal vitamin c (LivOn labs brand only, other brands are often NOT real liposomes and LivOn owns an important process patent, OR you could make your own, although it's not particularly easy, see qualityliposomalc.com/ for instructions). If you become sick and suspect that it is COVID-19, begin taking 6 grams of liposomal vitamin c per day, spread out as much as possible, and at the same time, increase your ascorbic acid (or sodium ascorbate) intake to bowel tolerance (that is the point at which you become gassy and experience loose stool).
Best of luck anons. I'm posting this for your benefit. I hope you'll bump, investigate, take action, and stay healthy.
Vitamin C in huge doses boys. 5-10000mg daily.Either 500mg per glass of water or 1000mg and dont be a nigger that doesnt drink 2l plus daily. Kindey stone is absolute worst thing that can happen and will happen in unfiltered tap water
Caleb Jackson
>Again for the technically minded, the next question is: what is the mechanism? >how can we possibly believe any of this if we don't even have a hypothetical mechanism? These are questions 99% of doctors don't even ask. OP is intelligent. Studies are somewhat useless unless you can come up with a mechanism of action to explain the association.
Nathaniel Kelly
Bumping with Linus Pauling's advice. He says to drink 4g of vitamin C three times a day at the very start of any symptoms. You can drink more he thinks, but this is what he actually tested and was successful with.
plot twist the workers packing the vitamin c were coofing onto it the whole time
Henry Thomas
>That is assuming that the above evidence is meaningless or unintelligible to the reader, because at this point the technical reader will normally be very interested. topkek I like your writing style as well OP.
Wyatt Foster
Are you saying powdered vitamin C is the best form?
Connor Moore
Desinfo and sage The only food that can help vs sickness is animal protein and saturated fat. Check sv3rige or weston price foundation
Brayden Thomas
>All those words Bruh, just tell me what to stockpile
Vitamin c can't even stop or cure the common cold. Excess amounts are all pissed out you fuckin new age faggot.
Lucas Collins
I'm eating oranges every 2 days since january. Not been sick at all for the moment so I guesd it works. Vitamin C über alles
Ian Perry
Vit C... I think.
Joshua Lee
>Virtually every animal on the planet biosynthesizes vitamin c in massive doses any time they are stressed, and especially when threatened by an acute viral infection I do not see this with cursory searching. Care to source this claim since you have plenty?
Chase Taylor
way ahead of you user I've been eating fruit snacks enriched with vitimin c.
lemons, limes, oranges, etc. probably want to make them into jams and preserves so they last longer. if you can grow and guard trees you need to plant those yesterday
Elijah White
vitamin c fags are almost as bad as flat earthers lol
Grayson Rodriguez
Thank you user for taking the time to share this. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Nostradamus using crushed up rose hips to cure people from the plague?
Carter Hernandez
As does being White.
Charles Johnson
Well water is the way to go. I also regularly make tea form long leaf pine needles. good amounts of vitamin c.
Eli Morales
Are you fucking retarded?
Zachary Howard
fruit snacks
Ayden Bennett
but bro, vitamin c breaks down the chemical compounds of my twice daily adderall medication thus rendering it useless and i won't be able to concentrate on making my masters more money. stop with the propaganda because you can't compete on our level when we're properly medicated.
Jaxon Robinson
This just in. Strong immune systems fight diseases
In all seriousness we need more good news like this. Thank you.
Christian Watson
I fucking hate fruits boyos.
Can I just take a handfull of Vit C pills twice per day?
Kevin Thompson
>ever heard of forsythia?
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Caleb Wilson
ok, you stop eating vitimin C and leave it for the rest of us.
Ian Rodriguez
>regularly make tea form long leaf pine needles What got you started on that?
Brody Evans
Not saying anything against OPs theory but careful overdosing vitamin C. It'll give you terrible shits. Take it with meals and don't overdo it.
Kevin Cox
The amount we're talking about here are about 1000x the recommended daily dose so eating oranges won't cut it. You need supplements.
It's actually delicious. Really nice. Thought it would taste like pine-scented cleaner, but doesn't at all. Well known source of vitamin c. Old time shit.
Justin Parker
Maybe thats why Italians die en masse. CENTRAL EUROPEAN CUISINE CONFIRMED CURE!
Robert Perry
Damn nigger, put a period in there somewhere
Dylan Ramirez
>247259309 OP is a faggot. 3-4 day fast induced autophagy in humans, especially the immune system, creating an entirely new immune system afterwards. You are much less likely to get sick in the next few months if you fast 4 days now.
The supplement Resveritrol was shown to be protective against the last COV outbreak in the Middle East. May or may not help with this variety, but it’s good for you anyway. 1gm a day with a lipid of your choice for absorption.
And wash your hands and don’t touch your face.
T doctor fag who hasn’t gotten sick in 2 years since doing 4 days of fasting a month even when around the most contagious patients while sleep deprived.
Jaxson Gutierrez
OP is talking about intravenous vitamin c. It is impossible to take in the amounts that OP is talking about through diet. You will just piss it out. Intravenous vitamin c has been a meme for a pretty long time though and was never properly demonstrated to be effective. It killed people in the past.
Jacob Ramirez
Fun Fact: If you need to make your own vitamin C intravenous drip you don't even need to sterilize the bag you put it in because the Vitamin C is so antibiotic and antiviral that it does it for you. I have nearly 2 kilos of the pure stuff. One of the cheapest and best preps you can get.
John James
>50mg/kg patient body weight/6hours are you fucking kidding me 3500mg every 6 hours?? say goodbye to your fucking kidneys my dude
Gavin Martin
Based and pinepilled.
Easton Perez
He linked it in this post which also leads to more citations. This whole pasta is so full of information it's insane.
Jaxson Ross
didn't you read his post? he can't concentrate because of vitamins
Xavier Perez
Retards that don't comprehend that you can't patent a naturally occurring substance so can't make Pharmajew money off it are worse.
Alexander Murphy
>Kindey stone is absolute worst thing that can happen No, the worst thing that can happen is permanent kidney damage requiring you to be on dialysis for the rest of your life.
Link to any evidence at all that vitamin c does anything but protect kidneys from damage.
Joshua Ortiz
This is one of the most misleading and dangerous threads possible. You'll be shitting yourself dry at doses that high and still die of respiratory complications if kidney failure doesn't hit first.
Austin Peterson
holy shit are you fucking insane? pick up a medical textbook RIGHT NOW.
Josiah Gonzalez
take liposomal vitamin C and you avoid this problem PLUS you use as much as with IV C,
I am surrounded by pine trees and heard it was good for you. simple as that.
Adrian Harris
Golden cheers to you user.
Hudson Peterson
DON'T FOLLOW THIS BULLSHIT. YOU'RE GOING TO BE KILLING YOURSELF BY OVERDOSING
FUCK YOU OP
Isaac Richardson
>dying from overdosing on Vit C
what, that can happen?
Brayden Davis
assuming by doctors you mean clinicians, it's not their job to study the mechanism, that's the job of medical researchers, although they're supposed to get a decent grasp of the basics of many medical processes (mechanisms) in medicine generally, it is very irrelevant to MOST of what most contemporary clinical physicians do each day
they can tell you A causes C via B but beyond that, you need to talk to biologists, biochemists, research physicians (Phd-MDs), and any of 100 subspecialists like cytologists, pharmacologists, etc. etc.
regular GPs and surgeons have their hands full 12 hours a day with patients, staff, billing, insurance, scheduling, covering for other docs, surgery/procedures, rushing around to their different shifts at different places, office meetings with their NPs and PAs, phone consults, prescriptions, AND trying to keep apprised of medical news and new research
Jaxson Young
I know right, I ain't reading your fucking essay nigguh.
Oliver Smith
Overdosing on Vitamin C? Are you fucking retarded or just a shill?
Landon Peterson
I wouldn't expect an American to know anything about this since your Jew infested FDA just banned it as a treatment. There was a study done a few years ago in Melbourne where they gave a cancer patient 1 kilo a day intravenously and the only side effect was mild nausea. It also killed the cancer. But by all means keep giving jews your money.
Is this the new psyop to turn even more channers into trannies? Doesn't large amounts of vitamin C dramatically increase estrogen in the body?
Camden Davis
I have been taking 80 mg of vit c (recommended daily intake) for three months and i haven't been sick since. Normally i would get sick once or twice a winter.
>he can't link evidence because there is none There is no known vitamin c toxicity level. The LD50 is based on causing rodent stomachs to mechanically explode through force feeding. It's literally less toxic than water.
Lucas Baker
OP are you the user who first posted about this and linked Pauling about a month and a half back, claiming he's a biochemist or something like that? I kept digging myself anyway, and found a lot of evidence as well
Hudson Barnes
Are you retarded user? Vitamin C isnt fat based its water based.
Lincoln Johnson
No, you'll just get the shits really bad if you have too much.
Carter Clark
2-3g at least, over 5g if you get sick. Depends on the form you take as well
Eli Clark
.>4 day fast every month also known as the NO GAINS diet
Joseph Wood
You can take more vitamin C. but not everything in those pills you can take in huge amounts. If you want to take large amounts you need only vitamin C pills.
Noah King
Can I just take Airborne? It's like these little fizzy tablets with 1000% of your daily recommended value of Vitamin C and some other stuff that's supposed to help with colds.
