Trannies are taking over communist movement

>Tankie
Youre a closeted fascist who has a fetish for poor people, but dont really want them to lead. Stop lying and come into the fold.

Solzhenitsyn is not a source retard. lmao. I'm sorry you feel this way

Only the freshest of newfags wouldnt recognize your "style" as talmudic pilpul. Good job making this a redpill thread, faggot.

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Even other faggots are beginning to hate trannies, for parasitizing their movement and fucking it up by trying to make children take hormone blockers.

What does the Talmud have to do with anything? Talk about left field. I didn't realise you were a Jewish scholar.

In any case, you should do your homework If you want to know about WW2 or whatever I can recommend some books to you

>Class Reductionism
>Class identity

It has nothing to do with class identity. There are no classes once class is abolished. Class identity is itself a form of idpol and just as bad as any other kind of idpol.
There is a difference between acknowledging the importance of certain classess within a relation of production in abolishing that relation of production, and being a class identitarian.

All idpol, all these issues identitarians bring up, pertain to the modern capitalist society. Any attempt to approach them from an identity-based line of reasoning is an attempt to try and fix them from within the current society. This is effectively an attempt to prolong the current society. This is the opposite of what is desired.

This is what is meant by 'social democracy is moderate fascism'. Class collaboration, improving things under capitalism, etc, are all betrayals of socialism.

Hitler was an FtM tranny. As was Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, and probably Karl Marx as well.

Tranny.
Tyranny.

They run everything.

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I recommend you blow your brains out

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Thought you might say something like this since you have a long way to go. Maybe a US army lecturer like David Glanz might be a good place to start. Even this jarhead admits lendlense didn't win the war (it didn't start until after stalingrad etc)

>church was a tool of the tzarists
>synagogue was not
as simple as that

Dead to commie

>As a tankie I am drawing a line. I'm a class reductionist
No youre just retarded
Without private property there isnt capitalism
If theres no capitalism there arent markets
If there arent markets there arent prices
If there arent prices economic planning is impossible

Wow how did the Soviet Union under Stalin become a superpower without private property?

Never ask yourself that?

Wasn't Stalin kinda fascist?

>If there arent prices economic planning is impossible
Here is where your line of reasoning fell apart.
Its simply not true. You can simply manage and allocate resources and production as needed. Companies already do this internally, the military does this.

It is some kind of liberal mysticism to think some hidden market spirit is required to make economies 'go'.

>"everyone here is less intelligent than me"
Fucking kill yourself.

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>Wow how did the Soviet Union under Stalin become a superpower
It didn't, millions of people were killed on top of that

>without private property?
They even had to steal prices from europe you idiot

Never said I was but thanks

>millions of people were killed
They were also starving to death and used zerg tactics

Again, do you even put much thought into this? You're conception of history is that a culling, starving, and army without ammunition running towards the enemy is the reason why 80% of the Wehrmacht. Died in Russia. Either most German killed themselves or your conclusions are really bad

No, stalin was in fact an example to strive for. If every communist was as good a communist as stalin all our problems would already be over.

Stalins childhood hero was a fictional character similar to robin hood. What did he do? Did he 'grow up' and become a cobbler like his father? No, he liberally did what his hero did, he robbed banks to help people.
For a while he wanted to become a priest, but then became a communist instead. As dostoevsky points out in brothers karamazov, such people, 'christian socialists' are the most dangerous of all. Stalin, by the way, read this book several times over his life, and it was not censored at all in the USSR, despite being somewhat anti-socialist. So much for censorship.
He never wanted to be in charge, and kept trying to retire, yet the party kept insisting he stay in position.
He realized after his death he would be attacked and slandered, yet despite this he still went on doing what was right.

>You can simply manage and allocate resources and production as needed

Which is impossible without a system of prices as you would need to know the needs and wants of every single being on the region, AND, if you managed to get that amount of information AND process it efficiently (which you wouldn't with a state), the needs and situation of people change constantly so even next day what you had before becomes useless, the State is inherently flawed because it's a monopoly and as such doesn't allow people not to choose it's services, which messes up with supply and demand for starters

Mises with his economic calculation problem, and Hayek and Huerta de Soto already demonstrated why the State cannot, in any universe, be able to be as efficient as the market, or even provide any service with quality (it has no skin in the game, it has no competition, it doesn't
have any incentives to coordinate resources efficiently, it doesn't have incentives to not create a plutocracy which always happens in any system with a state be it communism or liberalism, etc)

There has been private property and markets way before capitalism. Crises of overproduction tho is a capitalist phenomenon.

>Companies already do this internally
They don't you ignorant moron
google.com/amp/s/fee.org/articles/socialist-mag-mega-companies-like-amazon-and-walmart-show-that-central-planning-would-finally-work//amp
Even a nigger knows that

>the military does this
Chump do you realize they monitor the market prices for everything you moron?

>It is some kind of liberal mysticism to think some hidden market spirit is required to make economies go
There isn't a market spirit, there's humanity collective desires, it's basically like a system of entropy where particles find their correct place by colliding with one another

>Which is impossible
Do you know how wars are fought? Hot tip: it is planned

Name one war which was one use the free market

This is great news, man

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Yet here this very day the DPRK did not run out of masks despite everyone having to wear them when they leave their house, or disinfectants despite them applying them multiple times daily to all public places, and your 'market' is utterly crippled by anything unsuspected happening.

The ability to simply dictate what gets produced as needed before people even personally realize they need it will always react faster than some convoluted market.

There is a reason the war labor disputes act was a thing. Direct control is more efficient. Markets are only to facilitate bourgeoisie exploitation of the people.

Don't need to go so far as to a situation of war. The Four Asian Tigers employed extensive economic planning throught 5 year plans to create a large infrastructure on which the market would support it self. You had similar practices in Roman Empire, Quin Dynasty etc.
Evenin the Soviet Union there were market factors involved because commodity production was not fully abolished.

Marx isn't a source either then, faggot.

>Evenin the Soviet Union there were market factors involved
After Krushkev's reforms. Between 1927-1953 it was pure Socialism gains

>Trannies are taking over communist movement
That's the point. Read up on Critical Theory, this will all look very familiar.

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Marx, Johnny down the pub, anyone could have come up with Historical and Dialectical Materialism. It isn't a dogma

>They were also starving to death
Exactly because the State cannot possibly efficient allocate resources for all the steps needed for food production (what tools to make/buy, which materials, from whom? how many hours each one should work, when, where, how? how to account for age, how to account for physical capacity, what are the best seeds, what are the best agricultural methods, how to keep up with research on agropecuary, who should research it, who should make sure people are working? how much food should for each one, how to deal with poor climate in many regions, how to deal with transportation of goods, what's the best fuel, which vehicles should be used, what if doesn't rains, where is the water going to come from? how to signal water shortages to other regions, how to keep water consumption balanced, who should filter water and how, who should treat water, what is the best way?)
A the examples above don't cover 1% of the economy variables, and with the State you have another problem, you would need to create institutions (like ministries) to oversee every, single, activty, in the economy to make sure things are going smooth, BUT THEN, who watches the watcher? You would need ANOTHER institute to police the other institutes, and so on

>Again, do you even put much thought into this?
Yes, I realized the State is impossible to work even on theory, statists are so insane they believe any centralized power structure can determine THE FUTURE of a system of 7 billion (or whatever population) variables, each with it's own variables (it would take AT LEAST 2^(population^time) to gather all the needed info on the population needs and choices in order to plan anything efficient)
>You're conception of history is that a culling, starving, and army without ammunition running towards the enemy is the reason why 80% of the Wehrmacht Died in Russia.l Either most German killed themselves or your conclusions are really bad
What? Im refering 2 events like holodomor

Johnny down the pub isn't a source, faggot.

I've read it. Do you have anything else to contribute besides a vague reference?

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Yes I agree with you on the market question. I've read "Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR" and Stalin claims that commodity production is compatible with socialism even tho it will fade away eventually. The CP was thinking about reshaping the planning mechanism fit for a consumer product based economy with OGAS.

You know Jordan b Peterson is a communist yet you guys tried to destroy him? He was already against trans people and he was a communist also.

I'm proud of you

I'm not a communist, I'm a Monarchist, pro-Autocracy and the like, but libertarians are the most annoying and childish folks there are. Austrian economics is literally a meme in any econ departament and they never succeded with a mathematical or econometric model of the market kek.

>the state
The curios thing about ancaps and commies is that they have the same end game. But what tickles my tangerines is how the Mises-kin ever think their utopia will happen? At least commies have a roadmap

>ancaps and commies is that they have the same end game
Well this thread is garbage and so is OP. Enjoy your ditch along the side of the road.

Ancaps are all jews. Mise, Hayek, Rothbard, Rand were all jews.

Communism = no state
An-cap = no state

Don't you thing it's interesting to compare practical goals? Or are you just bland?

this nigga gets it

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>Do you know how wars are fought? Hot tip: it is planned
Planning a fucking battle is nowhere close to planning the entire economy you fucking idiot

>The Four Asian Tigers employed extensive economic planning throught 5 year plans to create a large infrastructure on which the market would support it self
No wonder you europeans are all imbecilic socialists
google.com/amp/s/fee.org/articles/how-real-is-the-asian-economic-miracle-a-reprise//amp
>they had adopted sound principles of economics, such as budget surpluses, low taxes on investment, no welfare schemes, and high levels of saving and investment
Just this is enough to destroy any mental fart of yours

>von Mises called “malinvestment.” The authoritarian regimes engaged in a “forced savings” program, demanding its citizens and businesses to overinvest. When voluntary savings were deemed insufficient to build up the nation’s infrastructure and capital formation, the state promoted industrial planning. Moreover, it created cheap credit policies and encouraged foreign investment at low interest rates. In sum, Southeast Asia created a classic inflationary boom
>The Austrian school has warned time and time again that an inflationary boom in capital investment not only causes prices to rise, but also makes unsustainable projects look attractive. Eventually, interest rates must rise and the economy is hit by a recession

>Planning a fucking battle is nowhere close to planning the entire economy you fucking idiot
But planning a war is

Communism is fucking gaytarded

>Communism=no state
Stop biting the hook you fucking retards its fucking glinting in the light

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Trannies always have

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suck the fucking dick you bigot

>but libertarians are the most annoying and childish folks there are
Yeah man liking that sweet boot over you neck, hum imagine the smell, that's mature as fuck, but wanting people to have incentives for responsability, and be able to trade freely with others if there's no aggression involved is childish, boh fucking hoo

Im not even an ancap, Im a libertarian that thinks only an army is needed, proof of it is that there has existed a prosperous ancap region for 300 years, more than any commie state huh
dailyanarchist.com/2015/03/11/the-anarchist-republic-of-cospaia/

They ended the project because, without a State, it obviously became an economical force, ancaps will argue todays quick access to information woukd be enough to stop invasions but I think an army is more realistic

Zerg infantry rushes with huge losses can still defeat the enemy if you have enough niggers to hurl into the meat grinder

>tl;dr whenever a vague coalition begins to solidify into a solid movement (((they))) insert a divisive element (usually based on race, gender identity, etc) to split the group in half, condemning it to infighting and robbing it the cohesion it would need to be a threat to the status quo
>they did this Occupy Wall Street, and many other movements in the past, that shined an unfavorable light on the (((ruling elite)))

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lol why are you a class reductionist?

>a country 5000 miles away from once had a theater show 100 years ago which I didn't like
Your intellectual life must be fascinating

>fee

Kek, lolbertarians are considered memes in economics, no one ever takes decision based on their models because praxeology can't produce econometric models.

they had adopted sound principles of economics, such as budget surpluses, low taxes on investment, no welfare schemes, and high levels of saving and investment

This has nothing to do with planning tho. Planning means you adopt a different crieria to measure allocations such as Energy-Labor measures, or simulated markets. There are economic literature that in certain sectors (energy especially) monopolies perform beter than competitive markets (Assuming they attain equilibrium which they rarely do). Read Simon, behavioral economics and real literature instead of jewish lolbertarians.

>Europe is socialist

Kek in Europe you can sell and buy land and sell and buy labor. By definition you can have socialism in this conditions.

Capitalism and socialism are the same garbage. Feudalism was the only system that granted harmony to Europeans.

>If every communist was as good a communist as stalin all our problem
You fucking morons never seem to get it... The ONLY way for communism to EVER work is to remove human choice and human individuality.
That's why the jews have pushed trans shit for the last 50 years... if you remove normal natural human sexuality you can remove lots of other natural human behaviors and create the slave drone class that Communism calls for.

You dooming the children of the future to a dystopian nightmare where they have no sex, no power, and no choice.

save us all some time and effort and fucking neck yourself kike

>Zerg infantry rushes with huge losses
Only that's not how the eastern front panned out. Stop believing memes

I'm not against markets, they are just a method of allocating. I'm in favor of feudalism and Church-State duarchy, Autocracy, Folkism and stuff like that,

>green text novel
I'm sure you meant to make a point in there somewhere cowboy

wasnt really an "argument" per say brucy. More like a statement of facts. I've got lots of facts about how fucking terrible Weimar was. after two decades of the Weimar Republic it's no wonder germans wanted to exterminate the jews. The same thing is happening again and we have the same solution, but this time we will succeed

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>and they never succeded with a mathematical or econometric model of the market
Because they don't think it's apropriate to model the economy using mathematics dumbass, they believe in praxeology

Which is ironic since the austrians are the only people that have a unified theory of crisis and bubbles that actually works in real life: government credit distorts market prices, leading to an exarcebated investment in production when the investment itself doesn't have demand. When people go back to their time preferences the crash happens and investments are liquidated

Actually a big part of communist is realising the need for a 'new man'. I think it's good. There is nothing sacred about human nature. May as well take control of it

I'm sorry for your loss.