I will never understand why Conservatives are so afraid of universal healthcare...

"Universal" healthcare only works when you don't have a nation that's full of non-working parasites and slave cattle.

High taxes and rationing. No thanks

We can't even put men on Mars and you want to pay for health care in the entire universe. Pretty dumb idea.

I will never understand why leftists are so afraid of ending immigration when immigration drives down American wages. We all face wage suppression at some point

Its not the point, we haven't fixed insurances nor are we allowing competition with hospitals and pricing is very vague and no imports for other countries. Adding in universal without fixing these first is asking for the US to run up debts event further. Otherwise I would be all for it.

>universal healthcare
>except for these other people
so you're not in favor of universal healthcare then

The US gov struggle to give proper health care to Vets
What makes you think they can do any better for their mass amount of citizens?

n-no, immigration is GOOD for our economy!!! stop being so RACIST
>muh gdp!
>muh diversity!
>wouldn't you miss tacos?!

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>competition with hospitals
>pricing is very vague
Insurance companies make money by denying care. Nobody goes comparison shopping for emergencies. Single payer insurance works.

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>universal healthcare
>in a country where nearly over half of the adult population is obese
>while also proposing open borders

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>Taking active control over your health, including not filling your gullet with carbonated corn syrup and walking more than once a week
Miss me with that ^

I have no problem with universal healthcare

But every democrat comes packaged with open borders, as well. Fuck that. Leave your door open with a pot of honey and you will quickly be overrun by bugs.

>advocating universal healthcare and open borders at the same time
Forced suicide of a nation is what that policy combo is. Fuck off

They make money by investing your time deposit in funds. If they deny it means they fucked up gambling. Up the reserve requirements. Hospitals are to compete for prices, medical personnel, and land space. No one shops precisely cause this is vague. Hospitals can also work with more data-driven apps, so all it would take is the presence of your phone to divert you to a hospital. In real emergencies they can just choose the closest one.

The UK has a shit ton of obese people and they have a fully nationalized system. They just pay less for their fat fucks than we do.

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I'll never understand why everyone but me has to pay back loans.

It's because they are the meme.

Kek

Memes are brainlet tools.

Cause everthing the government touches turns to shit.

>Hospitals are to compete for prices, medical personnel, and land space.
That's how rural areas get screwed over.
>Hospitals can also work with more data-driven apps, so all it would take is the presence of your phone to divert you to a hospital. In real emergencies they can just choose the closest one.
This doesn't happen. If a hospital or anyone that treats you is not in your insurance network, you get a huge bill for it. It's a shit system.

Lol

It's interesting how the original American socialists wanted to cut foreign immigration to protect the labor value of native whites, and were all about workers' rights and improving society through the progressive merger of corporations and government and dissolution of class heirarchy. Now, "socialists" want to destroy borders, destroy white culture, destroy Christianity, mutilate children, increase sodomy, censor opinions they dislike, and have the government provide everything to everyone for free, or alternately not have a government but everything is for free anyways because dude weed. Wtf happened?

Rural areas are already suffering, This only speeds up the inevitable. Only thing they have going for them is tax breaks.
As for the networks, break them up. This is also incentivized by the insurances. Ya its a big pile of shit. Even with networks, there's hardly been any investment in Hospital electronic queuing systems and apps which would have lessened this not perfect.

Illegal aliens deserve universal health care.

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Oohhh. I have a tummy ache I demand a week long stay in an emergency room with constant monitoring and mris and xrays and to see every specialist I can think of. What are you so afraid of?

>Nobody goes comparison shopping for emergencies
>Insurance companies make money by denying care
That's what happens when insurance companies are told they have to cover things outside of emergencies like that. Insurance doesn't make sense when we're talking about things that actually CAN be solved with competition like routine checkups or flushots and the like which make up a majority of doctor visits. If we allow doctors to actually be doctors and talk to their patients about these sorts of things and allow patients to compare prices and shop around prices for care will decrease.

I am not going to pay for other people problems or poor choices.
I will not let a "free doctor" near me.

Make it for only white people and I will support it. Tax payers shouldn't have to pay for niggers to shoot each other or trannies to chop off their cocks

That's disingenuous because our system's main and probably biggest problem is the cost, which is caused government intervention and has been that way since atleast LBJ (creation of Medicare).

>so you're not in favor of universal healthcare then
It would be universal if the US was only white

So what should be done about emergencies, and people with chronic conditions? If they get dropped prices go down for healthy people but it leaves a large segment of the population in trouble. Even if it's not an emergency, demand is still inelastic for a lot of treatments for chronic conditions like insulin for example. When the choice is pay or suffer medical consequences/die people will pay whatever is being charged. This is why it makes sense to have a single payer that can negotiate drug prices. There may be some small areas where what you're talking about applies, but that would be better suited for supplemental markets and coverage.

Most of the resistance to it is just irrational boomer fear of "socialism." Same boomers who'll assassinate any candidate who opposes Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid. I don't think single payer's a good plan myself, but ask most people why they're opposed and they won't have good reasons. They also won't have any suggestion for how the current system should be changed instead. At the very most laughable they'll think insurance status quo is perfectly fine and not a huge cartel designed to underserve Americans and overserve corporate gains.

It has to change, the real debate should be over how. We're only offered the single payer vs status quo debate though, which stays in tension, which is the point. Worse case scenario here, the status quo transitions to being paid by the government instead of people, which can be nice because the government gets to point a gun at any customer who doesn't pay.

Because they've been neutered and puppeted. Everything surgically removed is an ideal or policy that opposed mainstream neoliberal ideas about economics, nations and people. Everything that remains is an ideal or policy that doesn't threaten the main bastions of power in any concrete way. Everyone pretends there's some sort of resistance to any of these identity politics, but it always folds in short order. It's only when money comes into the picture that suddenly resistance is real and difficult to overcome.

The socialist preference of government over business might seem like a contradiction to my point, but only for so long as you imagine that businesses have less influence in government than people do. But it's a representative republic, after all, who minds if you represent a local or national business too? Business isn't afraid of government, military contractors have been milking us for decades.

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Because universal healthcare is only functional in white ethnostates.

We are the outlier because of a lack of government invention compared to other countries. Hospitals have to spend time dealing with multiple insurance companies, and those insurance companies have much higher overhead costs than Medicare. Allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices would make a massive difference in cost. The problem is the government having its hands tied for dealing with this, and pharma lobbyists using it to protect their monopolies.

>So what should be done about emergencies, and people with chronic conditions?
Insurance, I said that's what insurance is for. Premiums have only gone up since ACA and would lower if repealed. If that's the case more employers would be willing to pay that for their employees if it gets cheaper. But that only started because FDR didn't want employers to increase people's wages during WW2 (because of the empty job market) with actual money so they started offering insurance instead.
>This is why it makes sense to have a single payer that can negotiate drug prices
The government doesn't negotiate, they use coercion all the time. Drug prices are high because of patents and the government gives whoever makes it a virtual monopoly because a cheaper version can't be sold at Walmart or whatever.

This is exactly why yanks are subhuman trash. You retards have 0 compassion and care for your own countrymen. The morals of jews.

PS, do you think anyone's happy with the fact that they paid taxes to put your faggoty ass through school, or any other social program you benefited from? Of course not. No one wants to support a dumb faggot like you, but that's part of society. Healthcare is just one more thing, and arguable the most important.

Property taxes of that fall with school district borders pay for schooling.

What if, bear with me, what if we make it so hospitals and doctors and like what not, what if they aren't allowed to charge patients? But wait, here's the kicker, the cinch, if you will. What if, are you ready, picture this: you know NASCAR? Have you ever seen NASCAR? It's a race, and each driver has a team. And those teams make money by, here it is, making sponsorship deals! So picture this: instead of boring white lab coats, your local doctor is wearing a full jumpsuit plastered with the coca-cola and merck logos? And instead of going to the st Luke's chi hospital or some dumb shit like that, you go to the PepsiCo hospital with a built in KFC? Instead of taking some acid reflux pills, you'll be taking Prilosec, Brought to You By Little Caesar's(tm). All we have to do is take after the free market and lower costs by capitalizing on these valuable, overlooked advertising opportunities. It's a win-win-win! Patients get free medicine, doctors get paid, with the best performing and most well publicised doctors getting better sponsorship deals, and taco bell gets to tell their customers about their new late night, stoner-inspired munchie meal

>We are the outlier because of a lack of government invention compared to other countries
That's just bullshit, if more government intervention lowered the cost of care then there wouldn't be a need for a private sector in those countries but they exist in almost all of them and the quality is far better.

Anyone currently on government assistance doesn't want other people on government assistance. It's perfectly rational.

Forced diversity hires becoming law through government control is my biggest concern, second biggest concern & plays right into it is that I can't think of a single government run institution off the top of my head that isn't infuriatingly corrupt & shit tier.

>lower quality care compared to my current conditions
>higher pay per year compared to my current conditions
>wait lists, which hardly exist with the current system
>even more hoop jumping just to get treatment
>paying for sheniqua and her 7 kids' healthcare costs as well as my own
>increase national debt drastically in a short amount of time, increasing interest payments on the debt and devaluing the dollar further
Why would anyone who is a productive member of society want this?

just about everyone pays taxes user, youre just fucking retarded

more taxpayer money to goto irrelevant shit

>Leaf Flag
Didn't read.

>Drug prices are high because of patents and the government gives whoever makes it a virtual monopoly because a cheaper version can't be sold at Walmart or whatever.
This is true. The R&D scam being pulled is an important factor here.

Plebbit copy pasta

Kick out all of the Mexicans and South Americans and niggers and I’ll make it happen

You can't have universal healthcare and open boarders at the same time. Ol' Bernie used to say open boarders was a Coke Brothers project to screw the working man and now he's done a complete 180 on it. How the fuck anyone on earth would be retarded enough to believe he's pro working class is beyond me.

Boinie is finished faggot. Run to your suicide

Regardless, I think offering sponsorships in return for lowered costs has some merit as an idea. Sure, it's not the ideal situation, but it might still be an improvement.

Actually i just know as a white male i will be run ragged to pay for the services you want to give everyone else because i know i won't see it's benefits with how everything has been slanted these last five years. This is a proposal that we already in a sense have in order for anyone who makes under a certain amount and anyone over a certain amount would be paying in massively because a person working 40 to 50 hours at a burger king can't afford to pay his hospital bills so the buck gets passed to those who can which raises the cost. Socialized healthcare wouldn't fix america's healthcare issues.. It would destory our healthcare system which is one of the best in the world despite all it's flaws. Your uninformed on the real reasons aside from the crippling debt you would be adding to our already overwhelming numbers that get higher with every administration On either side. We have too many people who need to be supplimented that don't make enough to put into the pot to afford having enough to take out when the bills come due. Course even a idiot in math could get the numbers for this being higher then we bring in with taxes each year.. Can you honestly say if they jacked taxs up to 40 or 60 percent it would be good for america?

People who cost too much and don't contribute enough to society. No one wants to hear their genes and luck are shit.
Why make chad pay for it? How do we know? Money.
I don't want to hear some shit about how some worker is equal or more important than musk, or Trump.

Now force me at gun point to pay.

Nice cope, yankee faggot.

I pay $20 for a doctor's visit, never over $30 for medicine, and essentially the Healthcare is free considering it's taken out of my paycheck. Quit being a lazy nigger and get a job or sign up for Medicaid and enjoy you socialized healthcare.

Our system worked before Jews took it over, before niggers demanded more be covered, and before pharmaceuticals moved their factories overseas.

It's not just about you user, nor is it just about me. I understand that, do you?
Why does it not make you feel like being a piece of shit, knowing that others pay for your wellbeing, regardless of how you take care of yourself? Do you care at all about that? Or does it never cross your mind at all? Hurrdurrdurr but private will do the same.. No it won't. The magic word is VOLUNTARY

>We will all face medical issues at some point.
That’s why we PURCHASE insurance! Why would you want incompetent government bureaucrats making your healthcare decisions for you?

>to pay for the services you want to give everyone else
t. boomer. You couldn't read to the third sentence?
>I don't think single payer's a good plan myself,

An improvement over our current system? Probably, but that was written by a half nigger so I'm not surprised.
Fucking imagine if Bush told car insurance they had to cover oil changes and broken blinkers and shit like that, that's basically what Obama did to medicine.

Yeah, I'd rather have corrupt insurance bureaucrats/my employer making my healthcare decisions for me. Like which doctors I can use, which hospitals I can go to, what procedures I can afford...

>afraid
obviously it's because faggots like you promote it

Holy shit they gave you internet in that backwater hole called Lithuania? Wow Serbia and Lithuania getting internet in the same week sooo special! Also your economic stance is terrible how will we pay for all these sausages and tacos ripped off and sown on. Isn't cheap you know. Plus most wouldn't go voluntarily.

>Cannot understand his obvious banter
You are being sad user.