Devs Mar 4 >Syria With the fall of Afes, Al Qaeda in Idlib and their Turkish allies have been forced off the M5 >Iraq Clashes between protesters and security forces at Al-Khilani Square >Egypt Former Egyptian army officer Hisham Ashmawi has been executed in Egypt after being captured by LNA scouts in Darna. He was wearing an explosive vest while assisting ISIS in Darna. >Libya LNA forces fully liberated the apartment complex in Al-Azizia. >Yemen Ma’rib tribes prepared to hand over city to National Salvation Government of Yemen (Houthi Yemen) >Afghanistan Peace deal collapses as Taliban and US return to combat >Turkey After the closed session in the Turkish Grand National Assembly, after the statements of Engin Özkoç, there was a fist fight in parliament.
I think in the long run Russia's play is probably correct, but I just wish it waited at least another year or so for the situation in Iran and Venezuela to stabilize a bit more. Plus Iraq and Algeria too, it is a really bad time for them to be hit with lower oil prices. If any of those four suffer pro-American revolutions within the next couple of years, Russia will be partially to blame for that.
The wh*te “man” does not know how to please his woman. They are made for TVRK BBC
Xavier Diaz
hohols are famously sub 60IQ retards user they can't help themselves
Angel Miller
ok i have a question, from what you see around you, do syrians 'support' assad because he's the better of 2 evils, or is there genuine support for him (i doubt it)? remove any bias you have in the answer please
i doubt people can still genuinely support someone that started a war that squashed their country instead of simply resigning, unless they have stockholm syndrome
Aiden Howard
When did Israel defeat russia?
Levi Brown
Well at the start of the crisis, it was genuine support but then after the living matters deteriorated pretty badly in the past 3 years, people started losing faith because they are left in the dark without knowing what are the exact reasons. When the country was in the worst state around 2015/2016, the living situations were a lot better than today in brief.
Cooper Wood
never heard of Lenin?
Blake Richardson
Are you Alawite or Sunni?
Jeremiah Nguyen
I don't know if you are trolling or not lol but anyway he did not "started that war" nor it would have been solved if he resigned.
Nathaniel Davis
Alawite.
Levi Rivera
Do you have any similarities to Turkish Alevi?
Isaiah Jackson
Educated people might just know that forcing a goverment out without a strong viable option is Ucrania's tier of idiocy. But you're right the regular muhamad's mind is tabula rasa.
Josiah Powell
what would've happened if he allowed for elections where he didn't win 99.82% of the vote? how would a war have been started?
I have no idea about them other they are also alawites so i guess they are the same or else they are not really alawite.
James Ward
So basically the war started because he is the president?
Thomas Bennett
Syrian Sunnishit here. >Allowed for elections Who would win? Your 3ar3our faggot on television? Or a bunch of half Saudi-half Syrians from Homs? Face it, it's Assad or bust any anyone saying otherwise is a faggot.
Jacob Walker
He made many mistakes, and acted like a fool at the beginning before Putin took over decisions. There we millions of secular Sunni teachers, educators, scientists, who are all in Turkey now in new lives.
Julian Turner
Yes.
Luis Garcia
It was a geopolitcal choice between becoming a US satellite vs. Russian satellite. US satellite would have meant piece and us getting BTFO, but far less death.
Joshua Collins
Well if you want to put it in the way that the united states and the saudis and a bunch of others wanted to remove him then yes but certainly not because the people here wanted that lol
provinces trying to hold referundum on independence from syrian gov, syrian gov declaring referendum illegal, sending police to arrest separatists, armed resistance against arrest...
basically yugoslavia
Leo Nelson
>He made many mistakes, and acted like a fool at the beginning before Putin took over decisions Blame his father and culture. We are how they make us.
Austin Phillips
maybe because he opened fire on protestors and used force to oppress his people idk
Ayden Moore
I can't agree more.
Ryan Jackson
>There we millions of secular Sunni teachers, educators, scientists, who are all in Turkey now in new lives. That's not directly his fault. His mistake was being too soft, he should have destroyed the infestations in Idleb, Homs and Daraa without worrying about the "international community". The worst mistakes he made (unforgivable): * Signing deals with Turkey that opened up the border just because he was impressed with Erdogan's Davos speech. * Allowing the border guards to be the most corrupt force in Syria. * Re-releasing the same criminals over and over as part of "reconciliation" instead of publicly executing them. * Giving into pressure from Russia about Bab Umar in Homs, which allowed the US to internationalise the situation. * Giving into pressure from Russia to allow Kofi Annan to declare a one-sided 3 month ceasefire which resulted in the loss of Homs, Aleppo and Idleb countryside and the invasion of Aleppo.
Elijah Flores
>US satellite would have meant piece and us getting BTFO, but far less death. Yeah, far less death for radical sunnishits, but for alawites, shias and kurds there would be a fucking genocide, instead of a war.
Chase Mitchell
Maybe because the first who used weapons against government were 'protestors' and the police and others related were not allowed to use guns to retaliate just to prove that they are not using guns yet hundreds of them died idk
Josiah Allen
>but far less death. >Beheaders running amok all over Syria Mutually exclusive categories.
Ian Cooper
>its the heckin illuminati, innocent bashar! The CIA has mind control weapons that make people want to overthrow their governments!
>It was a geopolitcal choice between becoming a US satellite vs. Russian satellite Syria will always be a Russian satellite, this is just a waiting period before Syria and Lebanon join the Russian federation. In this era you have to be part of a super-state and it's impossible to survive if you're not part of that hierarchy. The illusive goal of a completely independent Syria surrounded by 3 world powers is never going to be achieved unless Syria itself is a super power. That has not been the case for more than 2000 years. Besides, we go way back, let's bring back the Byzantine empire. I think Syrians should consider mass-converting to orthodox christianity.
Carson Cooper
>The CIA has mind control weapons that make people want to overthrow their governments! It's called social media, MSM, abuse and captagon.
>US satellite would have meant piece and us getting BTFO, but far less death. US satellite was not even on the table. The US didn't want a Syria to exist at all.
Xavier Torres
Well i can't say i did not try but to each their own.
Noah Reyes
All of those are valid, but his greatest mistake was blatantly cheating in elections. If he won with 52% instead of box stuffing, he would have mandate and Sunni intelligentsia wouldn't care. Of the 4 million immigrants/refugees in Turkey, not all are jihadis or poor people. There are at least 500,000 blue collar and white collar Syrians making a living in major Turkish cities like that one professor I forgot his name, CNN had a documentary about him living in Istanbul
Carter Brooks
>Well i can't say i did not try but to each their own. Don't bother with this jihadist. He's on here all the time moaning and groaning whenever his little jihadist brothers get sent to hell where they belong. He's probably typing from Tripoli.
Jose Cruz
#BREAKING Huge news from Saudi Arabia: Prince Ahmed and Prince Mohamad Ben Nayef were arrested with charges of treson. Both are potential rivals of MBS. WSJ reports
There were "Bashar goes to Egypt and leave and UN takes over free elections" on the table for YEARS. I'm not defending mutts, I'm just saying there were EJECT options before shit really hit the fan.
Ryder Robinson
You don't break up a riot by bombing your civilians with your air force, shill.
Enjoy your pay cheque from Damascus.
Joseph King
Why don't you care about Bahrain gov shooting and killing protesters too? Pretty hyproctical buddy
Luis Clark
>greatest mistake was blatantly cheating in elections I voted for him and polled most people who bothered voting and they all voted for him. It was basically a yes/no question. People who were going to answer no wouldn't bother participating.
Benjamin Thomas
> Turkey jerking off
Nathaniel Jackson
I call jew on you. I read the manuals. I talked to ex SEAL about every fucking shit they do. Fuck you and your forced "democracy".
Henry Moore
>b-but what about those guys!!! did i defend bahrain or mention them? always wanna make it sunni vs shia iran vs saudi
Gavin Butler
This but unironically
Josiah Bailey
A leader of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps has been killed in the Sayyida Zainab area of Damascus, Syria
It's funny that the democrapic secular sunnis of Syria now exist in 2 categories: those who fucked off and are rabidly anti-assad and pro-rebel on the internet and those who stayed and got beheaded by those rebels.
Nathaniel Ross
The war started because he's a dictator and is not accountable to anybody.
In a democratic country he'd simply have been voted out the next election. In an autocracy the only way to remove a leader is with violence. The revolution may have turned to complete shit, but it can't be blamed on anything but a political system where violence is the only means of change.
Charles Lewis
I'm telling you tovarish, a Syria existing after surrender was not on the table. What they offered Assad, through UAE officials, was that he runs to Latakia and merges with Lebanon, while beheaders take over Syria and split it into two pieces, a Sunni hell hole which will eventually be taken over by Israel and then a K*rdshit filth station in the north. You can see their strategy right now trying to force this reality to happen, but thankfully they have failed because of Assad's persistence. It's Assad or bust, anyone who wants Assad to fall at this point wants Syria to cease to exist.
Dominic Richardson
I didnt know they promote Ammo Dumps as leaders
Elijah Price
And for all the shenanigans of corrupt shithead Erdogan and his cronies, Turkey looking after 4 million Syrians with Turkish citizen taxpayer money is something to be considered.
Turkish people have been paying around 3 billion dollars per year just to feed and clothe 3 million of those refugees who cant take care of themselves. They have tent cities the size of major European cities.
Ultimately Putin-Erdogan reaching an agreement was the only option. The idiots in USA would never have calmed the situation down.
Gabriel Ortiz
F And S for all the IDF personnel who are going to die from the 3rd strain of Corona chain (3rd!? you ask? Stay tuned)
Adrian Hernandez
#BREAKING: Al-Jazeera reports quoting Iranian media: A leader of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps has been killed in the Sayyida Zainab area of Damascus, Syria
>The war started because he's a dictator and is not accountable to anybody. Then explain why Saudi Arabia is still around? Oh yeah, America double standards. The war started because of a population explosion in Syria that the US decided to take advantage of: newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/05/the-redirection You can read about it here or just repeat stale talking points. Dictatorships work great in the middle east, Democracy is a fucking joke.
Liam Jackson
Dude you and your types logic is too retarded. >either assadshill or turkshill Keep deluding yourself that and don't forget to take your paycheck tomorrow in ankara.
Because the president didn't know how to manage a crisis. If a war breaks out under your rule it's on you, especially if your family has been running the country for 70 years.
Gabriel Lee
Its a meme, they raided it with a converted Dutch captain and kidnapped like 200 icelanders as slaves for Istanbul.
Ian Hernandez
>Turkey looking after 4 million Syrians with Turkish citizen taxpayer money is something to be considered. After looting all our factories and destroying our economy the very least they could do is not treat the refugees like shit, but they're doing that anyway. Turkish people can kiss my ass for what they allowed their government to do.
Cooper Harris
Assad is still in power because Iran bailed him out back when Damascus was under serious threat of being overrun.
Cooper Rodriguez
>The war started because he's a dictator and is not accountable to anybody. Keep sucking on that Saudi chode
Turkey didn't do that, Obama administration did when they fantasized FSA becoming a new YPG puppet.
Average Turk is as much a victim of this as average Syrian. Rich as fuck Saudi subhumans didnt take 1 refugee and you're giving Turks crap for taking in 4 million?
I'm not playing devil's advocate, they were hospitable more than any of Syria's neighbors.
James Hernandez
>Assad is still in power because Iran bailed him out back when Damascus was under serious threat of being overrun. That's really not why, but Russia/Iran allowed the situation to de-escalate. You're all forgetting about one core Syrian ally. I won't say more, but there was a plan B in case Russian/Iranian support never arrived.
Matthew Rogers
The moment you understand the mentality of people here, you will realize that your democracy logic does not work here. It's even making your country a complete shithole and until then you will realize that muh democracy is nothing more than a joke.
Gavin Richardson
>mfw soon i'll be having pierogi and tea with a qt on the gorgeous plains of AL ANDALUS
Asher Lee
Assad's still in power because the people you shilled for are fucking retarded and devolved into Jihadi inbreds
Thomas Torres
>Turkey didn't do that, Obama administration did when they fantasized FSA becoming a new YPG puppet. Do I need to post videos of Turkish terrorists dismantling factories and shipping them to Turkey? Are you a Tatar roach btw?
Turkey accounts for 70% of all the problems in Syria. The rest are from Iraq and Jordan. Lebanon was a serious issue at the start of the war but Hezb thankfully terminated that.
Dylan Jones
The point is this is how shit is done in your Middle East. Either use overwhelming force or turn into a Sunnichimp caliphate.
Jackson Cruz
Because not enough people in Saudi Arabia want or dare attempt to secure change. In fact the closest to major opposition the House of Saud has is from jihadists who want to make the place a pure theocracy and chop the King's head off.
Don't try to debate democracy with me, I will never concede.
Robert Harris
>Assad's still in power because the people you shilled for are fucking retarded and devolved into Jihadi inbreds This too. "Please God make my enemy stupid"
Ian Moore
dude, your nation was obviously divided as fuck and the different factions hated the guts out of each other to the point where they instantly turned to violence.
people dont just start to attack their neighbours and behead them alive only because the usa provided some weapons and a cia agent said so.
Asher Thomas
i told you its fine if you choose to back bashar for now because hes the better of 2 evils, but i cant understand defending him like this, hes a war criminal and this could've all been avoided if he didn't stick to power.
Gavin Russell
>Turkish terrorists
Now we know you're just brainwashed.
Again I repeat, they have hosted 4 million of your people for 10 years kept them ALIVE, and you can't face the fact that they were your people that your idiot dictator alienated and disenfranchised. I don't give a fuck about turks or iranians or whatever. Tartus being our core port was our redline, Turks never had a redline, they just contants hosted and hosted and their economy fucking crashed because of it.
You can dislike Erdogan's actions, but Turkish state apparatus saved your citizens from dying like flies in this past decade.
Ryder Watson
>Because not enough people in Saudi Arabia want or dare attempt to secure change No because the pimp your country whores itself out throws cash and everything to make Saudi Arabia stable.
Keep shilling for Democracy in Sandniggerland CIAfucking leaf, Im sure the next Saudi payment for those LAVs to get blown up in Yemen will do better
Levi Miller
>Because not enough people in Saudi Arabia want or dare attempt to secure change Dude come the fuck on. >Don't try to debate democracy with me, I will never concede. You're brainwashed at a young age to correlate democracy with anti-corruption but in reality only scum rises to the top. Democracy means handing over your sovereignty to whoever controls the media and whoever can blackmail enough parties to get what they want. Look at where democracy took the EU. Or democracy in Iraq. Or democracy in Lebanon. Or even democracy in fucking Israel, imagine Israel without any US-cash, with all the corruption and changes in government. Democracy doesn't even work in the United States. It's time to be realistic. Kings were the most stable head of state around the world for millennia for a reason. I only support democracy as far as it can bring about a Hitler-like figure and at that point it needs to go 1933.
Blake Thomas
The main reason it doesn't work because because you're too fucking religious. Any "popular" uprising ends up turning into a theocracy because the fanatics are unshackled and the general public are too pious themselves to feel right challenging them.
That doesn't mean a dictator is a good way to lead a country, it just means it's better than a cleric.
Joshua Lee
wrong, use of overwhelming force is what breeds extremism and gives it a fertile ground to grow
Cooper Torres
>Now we know you're just brainwashed. I lived through this war faggot. Turks are murderous scum and thieves you'll only understand this once you interact with them and they think you're some kind of minority.
Jaxson Morris
Democracy only works in the west. Syria needs assad like lybia needed gadaffi and look what it has become now
What a sociopathic viewpoint. Your dad ran away because he had the means, but 10 million of your people couldn't run away. Turkey saves half of those people from starvation, exposure and illness, and you have the gall to shit on TURKEY?
Snobby jakobin elitism at its finest. I bet your dad is a vapid artist or writer or some shit.
Jason Collins
>use of overwhelming force is what breeds extremism and gives it a fertile ground to grow It worked in Homs :) Your dogs are silent now. The key is never to allow them back.
Get bent faggot, extremism in the Middle East breeds because America sucks at occupying countries and suck dick to people funding Salafi mosques in half the world
Austin Cook
>It was basically a yes/no question. People who were going to answer no wouldn't bother participating. you never get that in democracies. there is always opposition and opposition is never ever under 25% of the votes.
Juan Hughes
His father is probably Alawite intelligentsia that Australia wanted. Now his son shills for the dictator who destroyed his country and now rules over the husk.
Juan Garcia
>10 million of your people couldn't run away And they're suffering from Turkey's theft, sabotage of infrastructure and US sanctions. Tell me again why I can't despise the Turks for what they've done? Oh yeah, because you're watching far away and are completely and emotionally disconnected from the events.
Fuck Turkey, burn it to the ground.
Carter Ross
too many niggers in here tho
Michael King
They literally do, when it's a diverse nation You'll find out soon enough in Europe
Ian Wilson
>says retard that shills for roaches and unironically thinks Sunni refugees are doctors and lawyers
Lucas Murphy
right is superior to left, prove me wrong. EVEN with gigantic funbags and blue eyes, she's still uglier. sad.
Gavin Wood
>His father is probably Alawite intelligentsia that Australia wanted So Alawite that Hafez Assad's brother literally killed my family members. Seriously just shut up about things you don't understand. I'm a classical Sunnishit from Damascus.
Parker Hall
Turks are not murderous or scum. My family goes to holiday in Antalya every single year, including the summer when they shot our plane down. I dislike Erdogan and his tomatoes as much as anyone, but don't just go around randomly calling Turks demons or whatever the fuck because you can't provide any factual empirical data that Assad did ANYTHING right except bending the knee and becoming Putin's bitch, and dooming his country to become Belarus of the south for 100 years.
Michael Flores
im shia, if we continue down this shia vs sunni path each sides violence is gonna justify the other sides violence until we have ISIS like groups everywhere and we all kill each other.
but ofcourse thats what putin and america want and sandniggers like us are too dumb to get it
James Gomez
>unironically thinks Sunni refugees are doctors and lawyers Turkey has the worst filth of all by the way. The best of Syria left Syria when the Soviet Union collapsed. Turkey and Europe got the dregs.
Liam Sullivan
You would be very surprised if you think that lol Now if you want to believe the war criminal story then be my guest. A country with too much diversity cannot be ruled by democracy, only by dictatorship. Which means no freedom of politics, and that was the whole problem in this country and nothing else. Later media and sheikhs or whatever they are started playing on multiple sides and started convincing that they are oppressed while at the same time start forming sleeper cells either through fanatics or through money. The only reason it got this worse is because bashar is not as strong as his father. Gotta go sleep, night lad.
