I just watched this whole video someone posted:
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This guy spends an hour maneuvering the words in the bible to explain why you shouldn't drink alcohol. 90% of what he says is a huge stretch and seems like massive "interpretation" is being done.
Please explain one thing to me: if God didn't want people to drink, why not just say "humans should not drink alcohol under any circumstance"
>inb4 wino
I don't drink and find all degeneracy reprehensible
Big Trouble
Jesus not only turned water to wine he drank some and offered some to his disciples. That's all you need to know.
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Why are you asking us? Drop that question into the comments and ask him you fucking retard. He’s the one making the argument.
>listening to anything Protestants have to say
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alcohol is objectively evil and reprehensible regardless of religion so why would Jesus do that
Jesus turned water into wine so people could drink it, and then told His followers to drink wine so it would transubstantiate into His blood, therefore allowing the Lord to literally dwell within us.
The Baptist guy spends an hour talking about the ambiguity of the word "wine" in the bible. He says that if you take the word in context, "wine" always means fruit juice when used in a positive context (such as to refer to wealth), and it means booze when used in a negative context (such as when incest occurs in Genesis)
Jesus turned water into wine.
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The simple answer is that drunkenness is not the consumption of any alcohol, but impairment because of alcohol.
Teetotalism is still a healthy choice. The nazirite vow includes a total abstinence from wine.
Reminder
>everyone in this photo is genetically inferior.
there's no way this is real
Well hold on that's not a satisfactory answer
Wine truly doesn't necessarily imply alcohol in the bibles use, and Jesus assuredly did not create alcoholic wine at the wedding feast because he served it to a "well drunk" party
The source is on the image
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All Christians do this. They all have some bs "interpretation" of the bible.
This. Jesus doesn't mind if you have a drink or two. If you are overindulging, that is an issue. 'WWJD' is pretty simple and a pretty easy way to live.
i think pastor steve would be ok if he didnt support race mixing
>pastor, miscegenation is a sin against God and nature let me show you
>IM THE PASTOR HERE WATCH AS A MARRY A MONKEY TO A TRAITOR HHAHAHAHAHAA
*rubs hands*
>They all have some bs "interpretation" of the bible.
No, not all
The field is called hermeneutics. The best, most objective method is called the historical-grammatical method
Pretty sure he's got Jewish genes.
Alcohol itself is not the problem, it's getting drunk that is. You can drink as long as you're not getting drunk
If you have an hour to watch a shitty video with shitty sound, shitty video quality and a shitty message from Steven Anderson then you'll have a blast watching this 2 hour video, with good editing and sound quality exposing him.
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main points:
>Anderson twists biblical quotes to fit his own
>anderson makes demonic faces
>anderson claims to worship God when he in fact worships the bible
>anderson believes in suicide for certain kinds of sinners
>anderson's bishops end up doing what anderson did to the Catholic church... protesting the Church they came from and then getting excommunicated by the founder.
>sola scriptura is false
>sola fide is false
he's retarded and you're retarded for listening to it
you don't drink alcohol because it is harmful to your body and promotes degenerate behavior. that's it.
>meme holy senpai monastery
2, or .2%, i forget
but yea, on his "marching to zion" flick, he talks about it, i think thats the one
saved. I know these types. They are all over discord. Sadly I'm older and completely down with Novus Ordo.
He actually covers this argument by saying that there is a passage that states "do not even look upon wine once it is red". He then explains that wine turns red only from grape skins during fermentation, so this is talking about fermented wine as opposed to unfermented wine (juice)
Protestants are in mortal sin
FAGGOT SHOULD CHANGE HIS NAME TO
STEVEN SMITH, HE'S NOT ANDERSON.
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>objectively evil
Imagine having a more simplified low IQ take on morality than Christcucks lole
I am not religious, but I agree with a lot of the bible. Just can't make the leap to believe that there were people working actual magic in the streets at one point in time. I still listen to sermons sometimes.
t. wino
Uuuu
>Just can't make the leap to believe that there were people working actual magic in the streets at one point in time
Are you a naturalist? Do you deny the existence of the supernatural?
Real easy to figure this out, if the Hebrew word for wine used when associated with Jesus is the same word for wine that obviously Noah drunk off of, then its clear.
Dude, the New Testament is in greek
If I am honest, I would sooner believe in aliens than supernatural things. Very difficult for me to logically progress to things like ghosts
This is actually a good answer to the question and a very smart way to figure it out. I bet I can just look up the pre-translated versions of these passages he mentions in the old testament to check if his arguments are consistent. Wont work for the new testament though sadly. Thanks
Well it still stands to reason it was written by Jews who understood Hebrew and Greek. They if anyone would have as close to the right translation of the word wine as understood by the people at the time as possible.
What's your explanation for the origin of the cosmos?
Water can't be turned into wine.
Protcucks don't know bible history
I have thought about it a lot and I am still not sure I believe any current explanation. Also I haven't come up with anything novel myself.
The big bang is worthless in my opinion for many reasons, but so is creation. Not smart enough to figure it out myself I guess.
And no I am not a cuck centrist on everything, just the really big stuff that am I unsure of
Those aren't the only options you know. One can acknowledge the possibility of the supernatural without thinking humans can have any reliable knowledge of it.
The big bang doesn't answer the problem
"I don't know" isn't an answer
It really is the two, the supernatural exists or it doesn't.
I am a firm believer in God and Christ but yeah this fucktard is definitely twisting the scriptures and rewording it to comfort his options and beliefs, I hate when people do that, there used to be as page in the very front of Bibles that expressively warned against doing that
>older
>completely down with Novus Ordo.
Okay susan
I just said that both the big bang and creation are worthless to me. That graphic states the obvious but doesn't propose any actual solutions
Of course something happened, but we are way to stupid to accurately speculate. "big bang" and "creation" are the equivalent of rain dances as a theory to change the weather
The Bible clearly prohibits being drunk, but alcoholic beverages, such as wine are okay in moderation.
Strong drink is also prohibited.
Don't worry too much about that.
Worry about this...
ABC's of Salvation:
To be safe for all eternity:
A: Admit that you are a sinner, who violates the Will of God, and that you need a Saviour. Repent. Turn away from your sin and toward Jesus. (Matthew 4:17; Romans 2:4, 3:10, 6:23; Acts 3:19)
B: Believe that Jesus Christ, Son of God & Messiah, died for your sins and rose again, and that He will come again, as prophesied and recorded in the Word of God. Trust in His finished work on the cross. (Romans 10:9-10; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 2:8-9)
C: Call on His name, ask Him to save you, and confess that He is Lord. (Romans 10:9-10, 10:13, 14:10-11; Philippians 2:10)
That’s a Protestant son, not a Christian. Disregard all they say
2 words: FREE WILL faggot
I didn't say I didn't know whether it exists. I said that I, as a human being, can't claim to know the nature of it (anymore than an in an anthill could comprehend the world of humans).
Jesus’ first public miracle was turning water into wine
Papists don't know Bible.
Quaker here, you are all welcome to come to a service sometime
Let me ask you this: do you actually and truly believe that people were walking around and curing blindness and birth defects by touching people 2000 years ago? Do you think this actually happened?
Also, why is there so much ambiguity that leads to infighting? Why not just make the rules of morality clear such as "don't drink alcohol" or "drink only in moderation"
>That graphic states the obvious but doesn't propose any actual solutions
It's an argument for creationism
You interjected that a question on a true/false dichotomy has a third option of "I don't know"
You can drink just dont be a drunkard..big difference.
Also beware people who have to cherrypick verses and confuse you to make a point. Satan is the author of confusion
Oh really heretic then tell me where grape juice exists in the Bible faggot
>under any circumstance
This is the problem.
The Bible does not say you can not consume alcohol.
What it does teach is that we should live soberly and avoid drunkenness, and it is quite clear on this.
No this is wrong..hes an idiot. Like I said its ok to have a drink just dont be an alchoholic. Then it becomes an idol.
>Puritans
Just ignore them, like the rest of us do.
There’s about 100 contradictions in this video youtu.be
In the new testament it is recommended not to drink but its not unlawful, but it is sinful to be a legit drunkard esp a violent one, 9 years of Bible study here,
No not all christians do only the ones who are idoits. KJV says specifically that the Word isnt subject to private interpretation. Just like not all christians support israel. KJV also says beware them that say they are jews but are not they are a synagouge of satan
No. You created a false dichotomy by implying that if someone is skeptical of the Gospels that they are a naturalist.
>this guy can't tell the difference between a Catholic and an Orthodox Christian
>Sola Scriptura
>is too dumb to realize the church decided what is the scriptura
alright, if alcohol is fine, then is marijuana fine also?
I am basically a puritan but without religion. I believe that your body, mind, and ethics must be pure and without evils and degeneracy of any kind. To me, this is just a better existence
No I didn't dum dum
I asked if he was a naturalist or not because of what he said about miracles
Surprised? Protties have no understanding of orthodox, outside of "it seems similar to Catholics so fuck em". Little do they know they're closer to Catholicism than Catholicism is to Orthodoxy.
>the church decided what is the scriptura
God decided when he inspired it
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>90% of what he says is a huge stretch and seems like massive "interpretation" is being done.
yep that pastor anderson for ya. too bad, he's actually a smart guy but he makes the most greypilled defenses of the bible, and especially KJV-onlyism I've ever heard
10 minutes in, good video so far