Devs Mar 4 >Syria With the fall of Afes, Al Qaeda in Idlib and their Turkish allies have been forced off the M5 Turkshills killing themselves en masse Roach Experts announcing Operation S.O.O.N. Putin-Erdogan meeting in Moscow today >Iraq Clashes between protesters and security forces at Al-Khilani Square >Egypt Former Egyptian army officer Hisham Ashmawi has been executed in Egypt after being captured by LNA scouts in Darna. He was wearing an explosive vest while assisting ISIS in Darna. >Libya LNA forces fully liberated the apartment complex in Al-Azizia. >Yemen Ma’rib tribes prepared to hand over city to National Salvation Government of Yemen (Houthi Yemen) >Afghanistan Peace deal collapses as Taliban and US return to combat >Turkey After the closed session in the Turkish Grand National Assembly, after the statements of Engin Özkoç, there was a fist fight in parliament.
>The first sentence of prominent Iranologist Richard Nelson Frye's book on Iran reads:
>"Iran's glory has always been its culture."
>Iranians celebrate the following
>Nowruz (Iranian New Year) - Starts from 21 March >Sizdah be dar (Nature Day) >Jashn-e-Tirgan (Water Festival) >Jashn-e-Sadeh (Fire Festival) >Jashn-e-Mehregan (Autumn Festival) >Shab-e-Yalda (Winter Feast) >Charshanbeh Suri
Kurds celebrate those with other Iranians for a reason. Because for thousands of years they lived under the same cultural identity. Not with Arabized Syriacs.
>historically, the peoples of what are now Iran, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Georgia, and Afghanistan are related to one another as part of the larger group of peoples of the Greater Iranian cultural and historical sphere.
Median empires that covered modern day Kurdistan region were IRANIAN empire. Today the Kurdistan region is still inhabitted by IRANIAN people. So, nothing has changed since then.
>The Medes were an ancient Iranian people
>The Medes were formerly called by everyone Arians
> in fact for a Greek to become "too closely associated with Iranian culture" was "to become Medianized, not Persianized".
My theory is that Erdogan traded the M5 for Tel Abyad back last year which is why he did jack shit until the very last minute while the Syrian Army was advancing towards it, but Erdogan expects more concessions from Russia before he gives green light to take the M4 or Idlib city. He doesn't need the M4 and doesn't expect to keep it, but he needs more concessions before he gives it away. In particular, he wants Tel Rifaat, Manbij, and Kobani.
Another thing Erdogan badly needed was to "show strength" and boost up rebel defenses in order to reinforce his image as a reliable protector of the Sunni Islamists and he made that into a precondition for giving up the M5. Russia found this price acceptable thus it agreed to give him exactly 5 days of free reign in Idlib to do what he needed to do while Russia passively observed and took notes on the effectiveness of modern Russian AA systems against modern Turkish drones in a real life combat situation. Regular Syrians paid the price of course.
Now we are back in the negotiating phase temporarily, the SAA will consolidate its gains while Turkey, Russia, and the Kurds will discuss the modalities of their love triangle. I think it's likely that Russia will ultimately agree to trade away Tel Rifaat and Manbij, but Kobani is a red line. As such, I think SAA will end up taking the M4 along with Jisr al Shoghour, Ariha, and other adjacent towns, but probably not Idlib city.
>O-oh yeah guys! we totally won!!! it's not like we lost hundreds of men, land, drones, and convoys! ahahahaha, it's nothing it can all easily be replaced.. trust me amk
It is more logical for Turks to fight against the PKK but this would seem weak against the oppposition back in Ankara since they also said the same thing.
I wonder if the we can capture the Tall Ri'fat or will we even attempt such a thing
Caleb Kelly
Pootin propping up a fellow dictator wont mean you stop being a poor dumb vatnik bitch
Charles Morales
Oh it's that whore who got that poor Jordanian toasted, thanks for reminding me, fuck you.
Dylan Baker
Roaches getting btfo and setthing on twitter is the best feeling ever
Justin Davis
That's possible, ya.
I can imagine Putin rushing to take control of N.Syria borders so he could later use it to exchange areas from Idlib and in return give Turkey areas in N.Syria to save face.
Two years ago they did a similar deal when they shipped all the jihadists to Idlib and gave Turkey Afrin.
Most likely is Turkey might end up getting a strip of 30KM zone along N.Syria. This will help assure the Turks that they are safe so Putin can focus on dealing with the Kurds.
Dominic Ross
>most of the turkshills vanish Nah, they're coping even harder now. They're presistent
Jaxon Brooks
Holy fuck it was about tomatoes afterall.
Russia was going to waste 5 thousand tons of tomatoes a few weeks ago and didn't increase the quota until erdog went crazy.
>Two years ago they did a similar deal when they shipped all the jihadists to Idlib and gave Turkey Afrin.
Yep the first obvious "exchange deal" was when Turkey gave Russia roughly 1/3 of the "Greater Idlib" pocket and Russia withdrew its protection from Afrin in exchange.
I think at this point both Turkey and Russia are reaching the limits of how much more of Idlib and North Syria they can trade to each other. But I do think that we have yet to see at least one more exchange deal before this is finally over.
Logan Jenkins
a first world nation could but this is turkey we're talking about
Hudson Cox
Turkish tomatoes are actually good
t. consumer
Isaiah Clark
Did Turduni get killed by that faggot he accosted in the end?
Adam Lewis
so when does SAA have everything below M4?
Nolan Richardson
>But I do think that we have yet to see at least one more exchange deal before this is finally over.
Definately.
The final exchange is when Assad captures Idlib. Russia/Assad will not give up on Idlib.
Turkey can get the buffer safe zone along its borders. Turkey can send back refugees to that safe zone. Turkey doesn't have to worry about refuugees coming to Turkey. Turkey's Sultan saves face and everyone is happy.
Dylan Robinson
The 2020 Tomato Wars.
Brayden Foster
The road is supposed to open on the 15th. So unless the HTS break the ceasefire before then which in general they shouldn't the SAA will just rest and see if they have to take it by force on the 16th.
Logan Hernandez
no not yet as far as i know, but he plans on joining up with the daraa front militias or somehow getting to idlib so he can blow al julani
Eli Wood
Russia keeps offering a 15 KM buffer to Turkey, who keeps denying it for some autistic reason.
Won’t be surprise that Russia’s endgame is to make Syria and Turkey stop bitching at each other and do the Adana Agreement so they Can fuck over the Mutts in the east
Jordan Hall
SILENCE KAFIRS!!!!
YOUR TIME CANT COME SOON ENOUGH. YOU WILL BURN TOGETHER WITH ERDOKIKE.
Imagine being Bulgaria in that picture and having to be all like "damn, Greece, you fuckin' fine, all sexy with your exclaves and horrific pudgy borders. I would totally have trade with you." when all Bulgaria really wants to do is partition southern Macedonia with Serbia. Like seriously imagine having to be that Bulgar ethnostate and not only open that door while Greece flaunts her disgusting borders in front of you, the light of the sun revealing an international zone and open Bosphorus channel, and just be there, time after time, while she slowly slogs amid the Aegean. Not only having to tolerate her monstrous fucking girth but her haughty attitude as everyone nearby tells her she's STILL GOT IT and DAMN, GREECE LOOKS LIKE THAT?? because they're not the ones who have to stand there and watch her pudgy fucking medieval LARP sit flaccid and dull on her disgusting 20th century government. You've been conquering nothing but a healthy diet of tight, Romanian and later alleged Macedonian peasants for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the steppes in Central Asia. You've never even seen anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the debt that's breaking out on her unshapely coffers as she leaves it open while running those improperly large government programs, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to stand there, open her land corridor, and revel in her "statuesque (for that is what she calls herself)" beauty, the beauty she worked so hard for 7 days a week in the previous century. And then she calls for another land corridor to open, and you know you could kill every single Thessalonican before her army could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Bulgaria. You're not going to lose your future EU career over this. Just bear it. Cringe your face and bear it.
>The final exchange is when Assad captures Idlib. Russia/Assad will not give up on Idlib.
I think Russia/Assad mostly need the M4... Idlib city and the northern Idlib countryside would be very nice but not critical. It would be very hard for Turkey to completely withdraw from Idlib for reasons you can probably guess, and it would be very hard for Russia to completely withdraw from Kobani if that's what it takes to convince Turkey to leave. The Kurds would be very, very upset if that happened and I don't think they'd have any real reason to negotiate with Russia after that. If Russia won't protect them against Turkey even in a critical city like Kobani, then what's the point of dealing with it? The negotiations between Damascus and SDF will probably collapse after that.
Xavier Ramirez
A week and 3 days. The 16th is a Monday, all the Iranians who are on leave might be back by then.
The only use for Idlib is that it’s the remaining Rebel stronghold of any importance. It’s practically useless in terms of economics and demographics for Assad. The only reason they want to take it is to crush Rebels hopes and dreams forever and annihilate any negotiations they have over Assad (as if they have any)
Ian White
Kurdish towns and cities in the buffer zone will be patroled by SAA/Russia for protection? To assure Turkey there are no PKK elements at their borders.
Nolan Nelson
If the M4 and everything 6kms North of it gets captured then Idlib itself will be another frontline city with nothing but plains around it. And there are still places like Foua and Kafriya that Assad isn't going to give up even if he doesn't necessarily care for Idlib.
The patrols don't really help, it's just a transitionary step. Turkey already patrols Kobani together with Russia, but who actually administers and provide local security in the area? It's YPG all right, and it's not leaving.
I'm pretty sure Erdog wants to have complete control of Kobani in order to have a contiguous state-like entity in Syria under his control from Afrin to Ras Al Ayn.
Patrols in themselves mean nothing, it's like the planned Russo-Turkish patrols along the M4. If the patrols are allowed to pass unmolested but HTS and TIP continues to maintain a presence and the Syrian army forces cannot use the highway for their own purposes, then what is even the point?
Alexander Sullivan
Turkey won't be supporting the HTS below the M4, so they can be crushed pretty quickly with no supplies or air and artillery support.
Henry Cox
>HTS and TIP >letting Russians patrol around M4
Luke Barnes
>And there are still places like Foua and Kafriya that Assad isn't going to give up even if he doesn't necessarily care for Idlib.
Right now these cities are ghost towns which contain next to no economic value. And I think that Iran and Syria itself are actually quite fine with the situation staying this way, they would rather resettle the Shiites from those cities to other places in Syria which are actually strategically important, such as Zabadani along the border of Lebanon, or certain Damascus suburbs. It is much better for them to guard these strategic areas rather than be stranded in the middle of Idlib where they are of little use. So I wouldn't attach too much importance to Foua and Kafriya.
Daniel Watson
The YPG is letting the Turks patrol in the north, so... Weirder things happened. XD
Hunter Jenkins
No HTS or Jihadist allowed anymore. The Sochi agreement promised Turkey would get rid of the jihadists and replace them with moderate opposition. So no HTS are not alowed there, but moderate diplomatic opposition are allowed. Not armed, diplomatic only.
The YPG already on good good terms with Russia and Russia doesn't see them as jihadists terrorists. Also few weeks ago Russia asked all Kurdish parties in Syria to unite and approach Russia under one banner, and the Kurds alreayd working in the next meeting.
Also for Kurdish areas they can go to the Kurdish parties that are close to the Iraqi Kurdish Barzani party, the KDP. Turkey has good relations with Barzani/KDP so I'm sure this party can take over areas alongside Turkish borders.
The YPG working with other Kurdish parties as well, including the ones in Iraq. So it is possible a deal would happen.
Henry Long
keep sucking dick you loooooser.
Easton Peterson
We do have to see what Turkey does with all the forces in Idlib now the deal is in place. They pretty much useless and a money sink so how long can they keep so many of them deployed before the soldiers get fed up and people get angry for keeping them needlessly in danger.
Cameron Cooper
Russia tells Turks to not fuck around, and Turkey doesn’t want to piss off America too
Al-Qaeda and TIP are a different story. Russia wants them gone and they don’t want to deal with the same Jihadi fucktards that keep droning their base in Hmeimim
Jacob Reed
>The Sochi agreement promised Turkey would get rid of the jihadists and replace them with moderate opposition.
Yeah and Russia promised to remove YPG from north Syria, but as you can see, neither of those things happened so far. And I don't think it will happen now either, what was signed today doesn't smell like a final agreement at all, it's just another Sochi. That's why I think another territory exchange is going to happen before a final deal is put in place.
Luis Ward
but seriously though, no one deserves to be in west asia please vacate the area and let animals roam the land once more
>Erdog was actually playing 11D backgammon >he will soon completely take over the global tomato market >nobody will be able to compete against the sweet succulent Turkish tomato >everyone will be hooked and unable to get tomatoes from any other source >Ottoman empire takes over the world >not through war but through commerce The watermelon seller knows the true power of capitalism.
As far as today's deal. Erdogan really did trade the M4 for some tomatoes. If the HTS don't leave then there won't be patrols on the M4, it will be fully red. Those patrols are what Turkey hopes will deter another push forward in the future but they have to clear the M4 themselves. Right now that looks to be an impossible task. So either the SAA are about to get the hardest to capture areas for free or they'll get it by force and then some in a further deal that will be allow the to go even deeper in Idlib.
>thinking these agreements aren't made to wipe our asses with them later Too much reflection, niggers. Erdogay pushes for ceasefires and agreements cause it's the only way he can stall the inevitable. Russia does so cause it's being pressured diplomatically by eurocuckolds. Everybody keeps repeating the mantra that the conflict doesn't have a military solution, but you should know by now that when politicians keep saying something, then it's 100% bullshit. They all know these ceasefires will be violated and the fighting will be resumed and the conflict will be solved militarily. Erdog just hopes he will use the time to resupply and reinforce his pet monkeys but it won't help cause Russia will be bringing more toys to SAA as well in the meantime.
Mark my words, RuAF is gonna be bombing FSA and SNA at the very Turkish borders in a year or two.
Afrin was given by the Kurds there, who refused to hand it over to SAA, saying they will handle it themselves, and then barely even tried to protect it.
Easton Adams
>Assad will take back a bunch of dirt while Erdogan relishes in the glorious late stage capitalist GDP growth We got too cocky Assadbros.......
