Why the holocaust is such a stupid narrative

Why and what constitutes proof by your standards?

Wherever jews are

Show a pit from Treblinka2 with 0.1% of the alleged remains
Or Sobibor or Belzec

That's 3 camps where allegedly 1.5 million jews were gassed, burned, and dumped into pits

Post a pic of a pit from one of these 3 sites with 0.1% of the 1.5m

>Wherever jews are
Prove it. Also doesn't it seem a bit strange that 2.3 Million Jews - mostly unfit for work and useless eaters according to the Nazis - had to be sent to the army rear area. Such a huge population movement into the back of the fighting army - to areas with alarming partisan activity or along the army supply routes - seems incomprehensible both from the Nazis' point of view, who considered the Jews as "dangerous elements", and from that of the military forces. There is also not a shred of evidence for any large scale deportation of unfit Jews and the existence of numerous Jewish camps with the size of Auschwitz in the military-controlled Eastern area (no indication of camps, supplies, guards, survivors, etc.).

dont forget holocoaster and masturbation machines

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>Prove it.
Prove that jews exist where they are?
You want 70+ year old travel itineraries?
Over 99% of the outbound records are gone. You're demanding me tell you what they said

You claim to know where they are, I don't.

Stop dodging: >Show a pit from Treblinka2 with 0.1% of the alleged remains
>Or Sobibor or Belzec
>That's 3 camps where allegedly 1.5 million jews were gassed, burned, and dumped into pits
>Post a pic of a pit from one of these 3 sites with 0.1% of the 1.5m

Heck, post a pit with 0.01% of the alleged 1.5m+

looking at those sources, it only talks of things found AFTER the war, and AFTER the holocaust was decided to be absolutely true.

How odd.

also, that fucking rational wiki
>Stalin killed more people in the Holodomor. (Possibly true, but so what?)

I see hard evidence of the death of a few hundred thousand jews as executions.

the mention of the diary of anne frank as evidence conveniently leaves out that parts of it (which parts I don't know) were found to actually be false, added in later.

the only physical evidence for mass murder on that rational wiki is the ashes of the dead.
Thats it.
This entire time we were saying they were dying mainly because of disease, and cremated anyways because of fucking disease and logistics. The ashes do not prove people were murdered, only that they DIED.

The section on the nuremberg trials is remarkably selective in its "evidence" cherry picking things wherever it likes to try and cover up the negative reactions of many of those who went to the trial. People who had rather prominent judicial roles who saw the trial as a sham, in fact.

Lets keep looking

I'd like some sort of proof that millions of people actually arrived at these suspiciously vague destinations.
Actually it is very suspicious, why do the documents say stuff like "evacuated to the east" instead of "evacuated to x town in y country"

>the only physical evidence for mass murder on that rational wiki is the ashes of the dead.
"Deniers" claim hundreds of thousands perished in the camps from disease and starvation especially at the end of the war

Oh that is hilarious, it tries to brush aside the false claims that jewish people SWORE were true and gained sympathy and benefits from by telling outrageous tales as "rumors"
LMAO

>uses the muh los angeles colosseum
nobody has ever heard of it

>Anonymous (ID: dRb7IRre) 03/05/20(Thu)19:40:48 No.246672261▶

Irrelevant, he states that ashes do not prove murder only death, this is correct.

Ah but there is physical evidence SUPPORTING that in the dead!
The bodies of people starving, the reports of disease breaking out, and our own reports of us cutting supply lines to the fucking camps, you ding dong.

>I'd like some sort of proof that millions of people actually arrived at these suspiciously vague destinations.
What would the proof be? Be very specific

>Actually it is very suspicious, why do the documents say stuff like "evacuated to the east" instead of "evacuated to x town in y country"
Because the general documents talk of it in that manned. Other documents refer to specific regions

The most suspicious thing is you claim there's millions of pounds of physical evidence in exactly known locations today proving you correct.... but it's not shown!

More interesting bits
the rational wiki says
>Moreover, even if the Holocaust wasn't a genocide, it was still an atrocious loss of human life that deserves condemnation.

But also says
>Stalin killed more people in the Holodomor. (Possibly true, but so what?)
as you recall

That is a blatent and hilarious bit of bias.

Schnorrers are poor jews that can be sacrificed for Zion. Look up @ savethemales.ca for a story about some Rabbis who met in Odessa before WWII who knew what was coming and told other elite jews to run away from Europe.

Jabotinsky, Nordau, Herzl were different kinds of zionists. They all hated the assimilated ones.

It is claimed that three Operation Reinhardt camps [Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka 2] were "extermination centers" where over 1 million Jews were exterminated in homicidal gas chambers.

Official "Holocaust" story:
>Gas thousand of Jews and bury them in "gigantic pits" at these 3 camps
>Dig the thousands of bodies out of alleged "gigantic pits"
>Burn the thousands of bodies on huge pyres made from railroad rails
>Throw all the burnt remains, bones, teeth, wood ashes back into the same alleged "gigantic pits"
>Cover all the millions of pounds of physical evidence with "A thick layer of sand"

Claimed death tolls at the alleged CRIME SCENE:
>Treblinka II: 700 - 900 thousand
>Sobibor: 170 - 250 thousand
>Belzec: 435 - 600 thousand

TOTAL: 1.3 - 1.8 million. To simplify the math, let's go with 1.5 million

>Quantity of remains expected
A 2004 study published in J Forensic Sci titled "Cremation Weights in East Tennessee" found that cremated remains weigh on average 2350g (5.18 lbs) per female and 3380g (7.45 lbs) per male. The minimum recorded weight of cremated remains was 1050g (2.3 lbs) for a woman and 1865g (4.11 lbs) for a male.

Keep in mind these figures are based on individuals cremated in a modern crematoria oven, whereas at these camps the alleged hundreds of thousands of jews were supposedly burned in giant open air pyres. Naturally this would result in a larger quantity of human remains + additional wood ash. We can use 5lbs as the absolute minimum weight expected per jew (it would actually be over 10lbs)

Quantity of human remains requested from the alleged CRIME SCENE(s):
>Novice: 1% of 1.5 million = 15,000 [OR min weight: 75,000 lbs / 34,000 kg]
>Easy: 1/10th of 1% of 1.5 million = 1,500 [OR min weight: 7,500 lbs / 3,400 kg]
>Child's play: 1/100th of 1% of 1.5 million = 150 [OR min weight: 750 lbs / 340 kg]

Verdict of the Düsseldorf Jury Court at the 1964-65 trial:
>"one of the pits [at Treblinka] contained no less than approximately 80,000 corpses"

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Why is it no coincidence that those “sources” you posted are from Jewish Americans and Soviet authorities, the same regime that lied about the Katyn massacre and tried to blame it on the Nazis?

From Yitzhak Arad's book "BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA" chapter 23, The Erasure of the Crimes:
>"The camp command was confronted with the problem of disposing of the large piles of ash and bits of bone that remained… Ultimately it was decided to dump the ash and bits of bone into the ditches that had previously held the bodies and to cover them with a thick layer of sand and dirt… [Eyewitness] Abraham Goldfarb relates: …'we secretly placed in the walls of the graves whole skeletons and we wrote on scraps of paper what the Germans were doing at Treblinka. We put the scraps of paper into bottles, which we placed next to the skeletons. Our intention was that if one day someone looked for traces, they could indeed be found.'"
Again:
>"…Our intention was that if one day someone looked for traces, they could indeed be found"

>Fraudulently alleged mass grave maps (total #):
– Treblinka II (15): archive.is/zz7UN
– Sobibor (18 + 6): archive.is/oQMJv + archive.is/CH6WS
– Belzec (33): archive.is/e96yU

U.S. vs. Prudden - U.S. Court of Appeals - Fifth Circuit - April 1970:
>"Silence can only be equated with fraud where there is a legal or moral duty to speak or where an inquiry left unanswered would be intentionally misleading."

REAL mass grave photo examples:
google.com/search?q=mass grave excavation -holocaust&tbm=isch

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Basically the official narrative here is this:

"Even if the holocaust didn't happen on the scale we say it did, it should still be treated like it was anyway, because Jews"

TEN SIMPLE QUESTIONS:

>1 - Which of the 15 alleged Treblinka II mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
>2 - Which of the 24 alleged Sobibor mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
>3 - Which of the 33 alleged Belzec mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
>4-6 - Same as 1-3 but instead 1,500 human beings (OR 7,500 lbs / 3,400 kg of remains): __?__
>7-9 - Same as 1-3 but instead 15,000 human beings (OR 75,000 lbs / 34,000 kg of remains): __?__
>10 - How many of the 72 alleged mass graves at T2+S+B can you forensically* prove contain at least one milligram of human remains: __?__

* to forensically prove the existence of a mass grave which is claimed to exist in a precisely known location, you must produce conclusive, bona fide, verifiable, photographically documented archaeological findings. In other words, you must post a photograph. (as per the old adage: "pics or it didn't happen")

REQUIRED READING:
>Mass Grave Excavation Guidelines / The "Mass graves don't produce photographed bodies" LIE
forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12889

Remember: If the alleged Treblinka II, Sobibor, and Belzec "Holocausts" really did happen as alleged, then there actually would be numerous discernible extant huge mass graves filled with the remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people to prove it. So this is not a historical issue per se; this is clearly about - SCIENCE - and all that is being done here is the common-sense act of simply asking to see the alleged 'archaeological proof' that the true-believers insist is so 'undeniable'

Remember also - it is ipso facto proof of fraud - if a scientist refuses to answer pertinent questions about their alleged / insinuated discoveries.

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>Holocaust deniers might claim that governments and (Jewish) mass media use the Holocaust as propaganda, and oppress "revisionist" views. First, this is irrelevant. Second, the Holocaust deniers also have had their endorsements. Iran held a conference dedicated to Holocaust denial, and deniers have spread their word in many countries through books, radio, and the Internet.

Ah yes, ignore the very rich and powerful media engines in first world countries endorsing propaganda, because a shitty sand kingdom is also clearly biased

oh this is hilarious

Direct testimony, pictures, and physical documents for starters.

This

The AR (Aktion Reinhardt) camps were NOT extermination camps. It's claimed 1.5+ million Jews were exterminated there and buried in huge pits. The reality is something like 2-5% max are, people who died in transit or were executed there for any number of reasons (escape attempts, terminally ill, etc)

>5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS)
forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12359

The report explains the purpose of the AR camps: to plunder Jewish wealth and resettle/evacuate/expel/deport them.

>17 March 1942 Fritz Reuter memo on his conversation with Höfle
forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12417#p92065
Reuter explains that Jews sent unfit for work would be expelled from Poland via Belzec to the east, "cross the border and never return." Is that supposed to mean killed? Hoefle was Globocnik's deputy. Both "committed suicide" before being put on trial. Convenient.

>13 August 1942 Karl Wolff memo to Albert Ganzenmüller
forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=10360
In response to "The Ganzenmuller Letter" regarding deporting Jews to Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka – Wolff stated that he was very glad to hear about their plan "to accelerate this population transfer"

>The "Operation Reinhadt Secrecy Oath"
forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12924
The document says no photographing or talking about the camp is to be allowed for AR staff. Perhaps this explains your "lack of evidence" for resettlement.
Regardless, it describes the purpose of these camps as part of an "evacuation of Jews" policy. Some dishonest people used this evidence of an extermination camp, but it is in no way incompatible with the transit camp thesis.

>5 July 1943 Himmler order "transit camp Sobibor is to be converted into a concentration camp"
codoh.com/library/document/4478/
"The transit camp Sobibór is to be converted into a concentration camp. In the concentration camp a plant for the repair of captured munitions is to be established."

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>>Stalin killed more people in the Holodomor. (Possibly true, but so what?)
I edited that part out, fuck them

I edited it out bro

>Yitzhak Arad
Stopped reading right there. This is the same racist idiot who said all Polish people are born as antisemites from their moms milk.

No credibility whatsover

>Why though?

name a Jew you can prove was gassed and state what your proof is.

i dont want to hear 'someone said they were gassed'. thats not evidence.

BASED AND REDPILLED

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Let's see if the shills will dodge:
^^^ TEN SIMPLE QUESTIONS
Both "Operation Reinhardt" and "Final Solution" were NOT extermination:

The Holocaust™ storyline is the most easily debunked narrative ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

Steven Some, Chairman of NJ Commission on Holocaust Education:
>"These Holocaust deniers are very slick people. They justify everything they say with facts and figures."

Answering some questions the wiki says to ask "deniers"

>Did the Nazis exterminate Romani, gays, and political opponents?
Interesting and loaded terminology. To my knowledge, they had less issue with closest gays and more issue with public degeneracy, as they defined it. Either way I care not about who they targeted for the purpose of this, only examining the official story and noticing the obvious holes proving it to be a coverup of something else.
>If so, the gas chambers and crematories were functional, despite Holocaust deniers' "proof" that they were useless.
They were functional. What we question is the multiple month span bewteen the camps being captured and the Soviets allowing people to look and verify what they claimed to have found.
The actual efficacy of the crematories has been hotly debated, but I have not seen anything proving that design could or could not dispose of that many bodies.
China's are able to, we know that.

>If not, these groups of people were also part of the conspiracy. How large can a conspiracy become?
A statement trying to say that "surely someone would come forward and tell"
Someone did. Never saved it, but someone on here has it. A holocaust surviver blatently denying the existence of gas chambers. On video.

>Temporarily set aside your objections to my evidence for the Holocaust. Other comparable mass killings have about the same amount of supporting evidence. If you can deny the Holocaust, then can't you also deny other mass violence — such as [select the most applicable] the Great Leap Forward,Wikipedia's W.svg the Holodomor, or the Atlantic Slave Trade, the decimation of native populations of the Americas?
No, other killings have MORE supporting evidence, and much less shady circumstances surrounding the events, with the victims gaining much, MUCH, SO FUCKING MUCH LESS than the jews did in power and influence as a result of sympathy.

Please do not dodge this simple challenge:

^^^ TEN SIMPLE QUESTIONS

BTW; Both "Operation Reinhardt" and "Final Solution" were NOT extermination:

>Said they were gassed
>"Oh it was awfull, they rounded us up into these big shower rooms, and then the gas came on! they killed us all! ....it was horrible...

It’s no coincidence his “sources” were solely from Jews and Soviets. The same Soviets who lied about Katyn and persecuted Poles, who violently fought against Nazis

>Why and what constitutes proof by your standards?

just give it your best shot. provide a name of a person you feel you can show using evidence was gassed.

I agree the holocaust stuff was overplayed to high hell and that's why I took an honest look into it being fake. EVERY movie, cartoon, and reality skank show has at least one reference to the holocaust, jews or evil nazis.
Another really stupid narrative that even people who don't by the 6 million story have cogdis on is the founding of the United States, which there is even less proof of that MYTH then there is the holohoax. There is no way in hell that a nationof nigger worshipers who enjoy seeing their own children fondled by air pot pigs and drag queens in libraries EVER could have stood up to King George, over taxes no less. History seems to be full of whoppers for those no scared to admit they were once fooled. But it does take wisdom (not IQ from some faggot college) Perhaps you already know this, perhaps not.

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>>Said they were gassed
>>"Oh it was awfull, they rounded us up into these big shower rooms, and then the gas came on! they killed us all! ....it was horrible...

of course what i meant was that someone else said a person was gassed.

but there are indeed tales of Jews saying they were gassed then pulled out of the gas chamber because they were ill or something.

Yeh fair enough mate, I'm just having fun wid yah ;]

The point was to explain the "official" story, which is why I quoted him. The "official" story is:

>MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF POUNDS OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE IN ALLEGEDLY PRECISELY KNOWN LOCATIONS

This is also shown in:
'Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, 4 vols., Israel Gutman (ed.), Macmillan, New York 1990, vol. 4, p. 1481-87
>"The mass graves were opened and the corpses were taken out, to be consumed by the flames of huge pyres (the ‘roasts’). The bones were crushed and, together with the ashes, were reburied in the same graves."

YET THEY CAN'T SHOW ONE PIT WITH 0.01% OF THE ALLEGED 1.5 MILLION FROM TREBLINKA 2, SOBIBOR, OR BELZEC!

That's why the shills dodge:

^^^ TEN SIMPLE QUESTIONS

BTW; Both "Operation Reinhardt" and "Final Solution" were NOT extermination:

This desu.

>>If so, the gas chambers and crematories were functional, despite Holocaust deniers' "proof" that they were useless.

The crematorias canard is ridiculous. No serious "Denier" claims the Germans didn't have crematoria in the camp.

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Most of these "sources" are totally unrelated to the debate or dancing around the problem.

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Answering more questions the wiki asks
>If one can deny the Holocaust, one of the most well-documented events in history, can one not deny practically anything and make history itself meaningless?
The vast majority of the documentation was found afterwards, and at the time of the trial where it was originally made into what I can only describe as a religious truth, there was very little documentation, a lot of hearsay and claims, and a couple of badly tortured and beaten nazi's "willing to sign any paper they put in front of us" as they put it.

[If they are religious] Scholars agree that there is far better evidence for the Holocaust than [pivotal religious event]. Why put any faith in [event] but deny the Holocaust? Given how important [event] is to [religion], isn't there even more reason to think that historians and scholars would lie about [event] than about the Holocaust?

>If you were a Jew, would you kill 6 million of your own just to get sympathy?
I have morals that actively go against the interpretations of old school jewish religion, but assuming I did ascribe to their racist superiority complexes...
If I was only thinking about getting my people ahead, I would, and would consider the Holocaust a massive fucking success.

>Nazi documents indicate that approximately 1.5 million Jews were sent during WWII to three camps in Eastern Poland: Sobibor, Belzec, and Treblinka. After these deportations, all trace of these people disappeared. If they weren't killed at these three camps, can you provide evidence for even 1% of them turning up someplace else?
Have yet to see reputable findings of the remains of 1.5 million people found at those camps.
Names can be changed and documents faked. We did it with nazi scientists after all. In any event I have not looked as closely at that.

oh, is that what they "say" we "say" now?
hilarious.

Israel the country of the jews despite being ranked 101 by population, ranked 32 worldwide by economy. Fraud or not jews are smarter than you.

FUCK OFF
WE JEWS ARE WHITES

Final questions
>Documents showing evidence of personal culpability of Nazi leaders and ranking subordinates were discovered in huge numbers after the defeat of Nazi Germany. Such documents included architectural plans for the camps, engineering drafts, test results, accounting ledgers, railroad timetables, payroll records, commendations, orders, deportation lists, and death counts. The victorious Allies could not have forged so many documents so quickly, and Nazis who may have claimed that their signatures on incriminating documents were forgeries did not claim that the documents themselves were forgeries. If these incriminating documents were generated by the Nazis, then why would they create such evidence that would surely lead to their imprisonment or execution as war criminals?
And yet I never see any of those documents being put forward as evidence of the gassings. How odd. Only that one supposed document found AFTER the trial that convienently describes the gas devices in a rather strange and abstract manner.

>Have you seriously considered the possibility that you may, in fact, have lost your fucking marbles and you just don't know it yet?
Obviously. I don't merely question and assume I am right. I am always open to rexamine my beliefs and test them again and again.
I question, examine, refine, and repeat.
I don't merely accept something to be true just because a bunch of people with clear motives to lie who gained massive benefits and who seek to imprision and ruin anyone who asks questions are telling the truth.

A picture about a bunker and some story is not proof.
I could show pictures about your house and telling stories about how you raped young girls in that house.

youtube.com/watch?v=lz2ba85HQqk

The holocaust didn't happen, THE HOLODOMOR did happen.