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You're in for a rough November if you stay in denial.

I don't mind lads. I'm in for Bernie or Trump. Populism must not die

If Bernie goes third party things will still be interesting. Doubt he will though.

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user, Trump only won by 1.18% in PA, and that was going against Hillary Fucking Clinton

Just take the OP image and repost it when the thread dies.

He's going to win by over 2% this year, cause he's going against Biden.

Biden will win PA, Trump will win NV. Otherwise pretty accurate. The map will look like that, but the margins will be pretty close in CO and VA.

Trump has a real shot at MN, VA, & NH. The iffy ones are PA, WI & MI

Is he? Because he won more handily than Bush in 04

i have a certain hope that NV is gonna vote Trump

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Trump made his home state Florida so he has home state advantage there now. He will likely win Florida regardless of who the democrat nominee is.

Biden will 100% win PA. He has a ton of goodwill there being from just outside Philly.

Ditto. Neoliberalism is the enemy and it must be expelled from both parties. We need a populism sandwich.

Should be fun

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>Jeb!
>I'm a Cruz missile now!

Virginia might flip red this year too, thanks to the anti-gun bullshit the governor pushed.

Trump might win NV, since Hillary only won it due to election fraud, but you're dead wrong about PA see Anything red in that map isn't iffy. Trump will do better in 2020 cause they can no longer call him inexperienced, and no one is excited about the "first woman president" this time around, and also, people sacred of Trump in 2016 have seen four years of him being...kinda boring.

You're right, but will DNC election fruad hide that fact like it did in 2016?

I explained why he wouldn't, but one state won't make much of a difference. Time will prove you wrong but for now we can agree to disagree.

I think he’ll get New Mexico this time, it doesn’t seem like Gary Johnson is running and if enough libertarians are willing to vote republican, they could easily flip it.

Possible.

NM has too many mexicans and injuns on gibs, it aint gonna vote anything but democrat

Get used to it. You're in a shitskin world now boy.

PA is where Biden is from, Trump won it because of suppressed turnout, same can be said for Wisconsin; Biden will turn out more niggers than Hillary

Pennsylvania used to be one of the big coal mining states that got hit hard by some of Obama’s environmental policies, not to the extent as West Virginia but it’s there. I doubt they’re going for Biden.

I think you're underestimating how few working class rust belt liberals are going to vote for the guy who is proud of having written the Patriot Act. They're going third party or staying home in greater numbers than 2016. Trump is from NY, and he still lost it, cause that's politics.

Too much of a pussy

>WI
>iffy
Nope. Wisconsinite here, can confirm that Trump has this state locked in for 2020 unless he does something to royally fuck up. Bernie had more support here than Biden, and Trump has kept this state solidly red heading into 2020.

I work in the same complex as my city's Republican HQ, which just doubled in size to be ready for the upcoming battle, while the Dem HQ is literally the size of a walk-in closet and has no activity on any given day.

The republican party took this shit seriously and Trump himself will be here on Election Day. He's not giving this state up.

Hillary also had home state advantage in New York and it’s also a super liberal state. It wouldn’t have gone for Trump even if Hillary didn’t have home state advantage.

Hillary won by 5%, It’s going to take almost every red county in VA to win big

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NYC at least, not New York State. NYC dominates New York’s national politics though.

She was Senators in NY, but was born in Chicago. Just go look up a sampling of elections from the past. Being from a state is not a guarantee. If it was Republicans from California would be the only presidents we had for the past 50 years.

Trump will win re-election, the threat against the supreme court was obviously what is happening behind the scenes for Schumer freaking out in public. His second term will be the tribunals. I have faith

Change my mind

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maine splits their vote every time, and trump is winning michigan

Time will do so for me, I'll just wait til November.
We're all on the same side, agreeing Trump will win and quibbling about how much he wins by.

>alabama
>red

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Florida's going to the Dems because the virus is going to make the boomers stay home
Pennsylvania's going back to the blue wall because Biden has a good track record
Ez win for Biden against the most controversial president of all time, the only way he could lose is if he said Nigger on live tv

This map but PA goes blue.

>biden flipping any of the rust belt
Did you fuckers forget that the reason the rust belt flipped to trump was because of how much they hated obama?

You're going to have a rough November if you delude yourself, user. I'm only trying to help.

And how much they want an outsider at any cost. Sanders would flip the rust belt, but that chance is gone now.

And they just might get it since there is no bigger driver of votes, and no bigger single-issue voting bloc, than the gun-rights group.

Virginia had crazy turnout last night for Biden. I don't see it happening, even with the gun stuff. And definitely not if Biden picks a black female VP.

This is plausible. I think the biggest factor will be who Biden picks as his VP candidate. If it's a black woman, the blacks will come out in droves to vote again. Groups will bus to them to the polls just like they did with Obama (which is bullshit).

I think that depends on where the actual distribution of manufacturing jobs ended up
If they ended up in michigan, he could actually carry it again, if they ended up in appalachia, that might not help him but maybe enough to keep the rural parts of pennsylvania from deflecting
USMCA and tough immigration may just get him enough to hold on to penn and wisconsin....but in a high turnout year i'm doubtful

No way black men get behind a black woman because she's black
not even black men like black women

After Super Tuesday I don’t think sanders can win at all

My family has always voted democrat until this election. They don't see it as voting for a Republican, they see it as voting for a president they believe in. At least one they can believe in a whole lot more than those "established" candidates of either party.

Found some data from 2013 when manufacturing was "never coming back".

The top 10 states ranked by manufacturing’s share of total state employment in 2013 are Indiana (16.8 percent, 491,900 jobs), Wisconsin (16.3 percent, 458,400 jobs), Iowa (14.0 percent, 214,500 jobs), Michigan (13.5 percent, 555,300 jobs), Alabama (13.1 percent, 249,100 jobs), Arkansas (12.9 percent, 152,400 jobs), Ohio (12.6 percent, 662,100 jobs), Kentucky (12.4 percent, 228,600 jobs), Mississippi (12.3 percent, 136,700 jobs), and Kansas (11.9 percent, 162,900 jobs).

The top 10 states ranked by total manufacturing employment in 2013 are California (1,251,400 jobs), Texas (871,700 jobs), Ohio (662,100 jobs), Illinois (579,600 jobs), Pennsylvania (563,500 jobs), Michigan (555,300 jobs), Indiana (491,900 jobs), Wisconsin (458,400 jobs), New York (455,100 jobs), and North Carolina (442,500 jobs).

In a tight election on the margins, it really seems like ohio, michigan, wisconsin, and Pennsylvania will go/stay red. 2018 added 250K+ manufacturing jobs. So you could see 250K more votes for trump in those 10 states.

imagine saying this unironically. holy shit.

>imagine saying this unironically. holy shit.
imagine saying this unironically. holy shit.

You are out of your mind. Trump owns pa

AZ, PA & MI are flipping. It is all but guaranteed as long as they literally don't run Clinton again. Don't count out Florida, either, as long as Sanders doesn't get the nod. And Wisconsin is also in play. I think Biden picks up 318 - if not more.

>prioritizing immigration.

Not a chance. The entire statehouse is Blue now. VA is safely blue.

If Joe gets the nomination, there is not a chance he loses PA.

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My state is never red

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No

Grew up in New Mexico and am a Libertarian. NM libertarians in my experience aren’t as predictable as you’d like to think, if it isnt GJ this year I was gunna vote for Bernie, now I’m leaning more Trump though if Biden gets the nom.

I think everybody should realize that voters and electoral groups aren’t predictable and nobody knows shit. Expect the unexpected

What a chance for it to come out that the Democrats are a systematic institution of racisms, including many turned racist against themselves, so that they cannot form clubs, cannot talk about their dwindling numbers in existence worldwide and nationally, cannot offer scholarships, cannot have social media pages, etc. for their interests.

And people are sick of the hidden in-plain-sight pushers of this, with Sanders and Bloomberg crashing in votes yesterday.