I can only use reinforcement magic

So I started watching all of the Nasuverse anime out there, and I'm wondering why KnK is said to be in a different universe from the rest of them. Its perfectly possible that they are in the same universe as Tsukihime and F/Z onward (havent watched anything in F/GO, F/Extra, and F/Lolis yet.) Only one I can see being in a different universe are the three i havent watched and F/A, which was mediocre so im ok with it not continuing.

Only argument i see online is "Death eyes is just too rare!" but fuck guys its anime, super powers go to protagonists, it happens.

Whenever people talk about Shirou being OP, they often forget that the VN has like a dozen bad ends where Shirou dies. Obviously the adaptations takes the ideal path where Shirou makes all the right decisions, so the adaptations give the impression that Shirou is some overpowered invincible hero, but in reality, he was always one wrong move away from becoming a fucking bloodstain on the floor.

>KnK is said to be in a different universe from the rest of them
?
I always thought they were in the same universe

KnK/Tsukihime don't have servants and the 27 dead apostle group doesn't exist in Fate.

Yes, Fateshit was never good. That's why the name has "shit" in it. Drop the anime and watch the magical girl spin off if you're looking for anything worthwhile that involves Fate.

IIRC from the last threads, something about being divergent timelines. That, and for story reasons, if you have too much overlap, that can present plot weirdness.

Reminds of the "Shadow Corps" in Persona Arena with P3/P4 characters which introduces some odd questions. P5 gets weird when you have P4 Easter Eggs but Mitsuru/Naoto don't connect Personas to the "Phantom Thieves of Hearts" and investigate.

>don't have servants
Aren't heroic spirits literally mentioned in KnK whent they talk about the counter force?

I've read it and OP isn't wrong, Shirou asspulls like a mother fucker because lol Naru, with the biggest different between the VN and animu being there's less food talk and you get to kill him by accident.

Heoric spirit != servant

Sure, he dies a lot but usually it's because he's a fucking retard doing something so extremely retarded you can only laugh.
>I CAN STOP A GIANT RAMPAGING 2 TON MYTHICAL LEGEND WITH MY BODY

Wat

But they are... The only difference is the way they're summoned, but they're literally the same entities

>The only difference is the way they're summoned
That's a massive difference.

How powerful is he? Is he truly as powerful as a servant?

Also, does his Rhos Aias and Excalibur are as strong as the originals? If so, does that mean that UBW is stronger than Gate of Babylon?

OP is already wrong on the first point. Projection is just a more complex version of reinforcement and the VN foreshadows that Shirou can use projection anyway.

>and the VN foreshadows that Shirou can use projection anyway.
They do in the anime as well but it's been a long fucking time since i read the VN so if there's a specific part you're talking about let me know.

They're in different universes because, while at first in the early stages of the Nasuverse things were vague and not developed enough to be able to distinctly say "this cannot happen here and this cannot happen there the in-universe settings don't work like that", Fate came along, got popular, then started getting intense interest in its particular mechanics and concepts from fans/spinoffs. The rest, like KnK, Tsukihime, and Mahoyo, were subsequently neglected conceptually, and the development of the Fate universe started to theoretically encroach on the possibility of them all occurring within the same continuity due to having to rationalize why later entries in Fate and whatnot could occur. To say it simply, power creep made it impossible for them to all coexist reasonably.

There's not a ton of reason for them to make the connection. The mechanics of the other world are completely different in each Persona game, so they had no reason to assume that fucking with Shadows would change the real people (and no way of discovering the Metaverse even if they did guess it).

Rin walks into his storage shed relatively early (5th-8th day in the Fate route I think) and discovers his leftover projections.

Aside from HF where he actually gets archer's arm, he's not as powerful as a servant.

>Also, does his Rhos Aias and Excalibur are as strong as the originals? If so, does that mean that UBW is stronger than Gate of Babylon?
No to all of these. Also, Shirou can't trace excalibur without killing himself.

imagine being such a simp normie that doesnt understand Shirou's character

Gate of Babylon has other stuff in it that makes it objectively better in ninety percent of situations.

It really isn't
>in KnK they try to access the root, but the counter force is gonna send a bunch of heroic spirits. So they make an isolated dimension or whatever to avoid that
>in Fate they try to access the root, but the counter force is gonna send a bunch of heroic spirits. So they invent a survivial game to make them kill each other

Pretty sure that was in the anime unless I'm just not properly remembering the scene. I know her finding his pipe scene is in there but pretty sure they showed a whole bunch of his other shit as well.

If I recall, no they aren't as strong as the originals but the main reason UBW wins out against gate of babylon is a case of numbers. It's literally "every heroic weapon ever created" vs "An unlimited number of weapons" that and Gilgamesh is a lazy hack who doesn't have any skill with the weapons he uses and usually just wins by throwing swords at things till they die.

No that scene is in the 100% in the VN. It's not stated what exactly Rin sees at the time, but she knows Shirou's magic is fucked. You have to hit the right choices to see it though.

the only real reason shirou won against gilgamesh was because ubw was better at spamming swords, coupled with him going in close range, and gil refusing to fully use GoB. Shirou's projections are always inferior to the original.

I'm saying I'm pretty sure it's in the anime as well, less explicitly but still there.

Okay, I will admit that I have no idea what the fuck happens in the other fate stuff (extra/fgo/whatever). I'm just going off of the Fuyuki HGW. Servants are summoned there because of the system devised to reach the root. Araya's whole dimension shit to reach the root was done with the express purpose of trying to avoid triggering the counter force. It's totally different.

In FATE worlds, the Human Order aka Alaya is strong and active force in the world. Heroic Spirit summoning is possible and Alaya goes full counter force if something endangers the human order. Also, OORT might not kill us all, can't remember well
In Tsukihime worlds, the human foundation is so weak there isn't counter force to things that threaten humanity. The 27 dead apostles are a thing because there isn't a counter system to prevent them from existing.