Detective Conan

Are you telling me that, despite the manga having more than a thousand chapters, they also add filler to the anime?

80% of the anime is non canon filler

1000 chapters is only like 500-600 episodes, the anime is also close to 1000 eps. Also doesn't help when he goes on long breaks multiple times a year.

I thought the trap pianist was pretty cunning. Also 2, 4, 9 are the best movies.

Great movie.

Even though 4's wasn't as far as this guy I always liked the genuine atmosphere of Captured in Her Eyes. It had a very good vibe going with officers being targeted and Conan even going as far as to wonder at first if the entire police force was involved/someone was doing an inside job. I'm surprised a movie with a sitcom-esque amnesia plot device managed to capture that murder mystery atmosphere so strongly. Fourteenth Target did it well too but had a more bright and younger-conan approach to it, which is still really great as I have always preferred the difference between the murders and a Conan that looks like an actual kid. Plus these movies at the start still had a lot of soul and heart, and were done around action instead of only for action, and later just whichever male is selling the best with Conan guest starring/supporting.

Conan's little moment with the gun was a lot more powerful to me than in stuff like 18 when he launches himself into the sky in a last ditch effort to save Ran and the kids. While his desperation and the adrenaline of the scene work, that kind of dramatic action takes away from the down to earth concept of a murderer doing things and characters' feelings. It feels like the movies now are worried about attention spans and won't just relax and let viewers take in anything except some 3-4 minute character scene. Most of these older films were more relaxed and didn't always need to drag in something to keep your attention, while still being typical of a movie and having action/climaxes.

Ironically one of the most retarded-level action movies, Zero the Enforcer, is one of the most boring things I have ever watched, coming from someone who loves Conan and has seen most of it and is used to the dialogue heavy setup. It was a lot of talk about how law works and the mystery was not engaging. Too much poor CGI and focus on a terrible character, along with what was at this point too much for suspension of disbelief to work.

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the poor cgi in recent conan stuff is really killing the franchise for me. i can deal with filler but that soccer ball that's always on the top layer and those fucking fisher price people in the background every episode is starting to drive me nuts

Can't agree more

Probably current TV standards. People usually just assume Conan is a typical wild family show for Japan but it's obvious from watching they stopped being so hard on brutal imagery. Shying away from showing details the manga did, like having a woman hung from a light fixture while a forced black shading covers her face despite a well-lit surrounding. Even though its huge there, people have still complained about whether its content is acceptable for when and where it airs there, so I assume when given the option to make their own episodes they opt for safer material, and since the demo includes kids and they still do murders most of the time, no one there is really going to complain and fillers seem to do well in ratings, partially due to being original material. The movies should be a return to form since they're made for purchasing views, rather than TV broadcast standards, but instead their focus is on being a big action blockbuster and genuinely wanting fujoshi sales. So there's less effort on the mystery/murders and more on how hot a guy is in the franchise and what crazy stunt someone can do. For some reason brutal murders in the later films are also still relatively rare. So that being the case it's lucky if something that makes you wince pops up. It's also very unlikely stuff like the Mountain Villa Murder limb severing episode will ever have a remaster released since those go through the Conan timeslot on TV.

>those fucking fisher price people
Yea they still do it for background characters even seen in the M24 trailer with people fleeing to the right in a mall area. Also I think it was Kogoro's Lecture recently where there was just a solid lingering shot of CGI crowds moving. Sometimes it bothers me more than just bad modern designs, it ruins the flow of everything especially if focused on. I started getting used to the vehicles but the characters need to be consistent with the framerate far more than an all vehicles/traffic shot.

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Just an aside on the topic, the Disappearance of Conan Edogawa special used 2D throughout its car crash scene and it was really nicely done, I was really glad to see them do it this way and it gave the scene a lot more weight than if it was just the floating video game models you get used to from DC's modern output. I think this scene is one of my favorites from modern Conan.

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i actually thought disappearance was better than most of the movies, granted constant flash backs got kinda old. seeing the different perspectives of characters other than conan was actually really interesting and the animation was fucking stellar compared to what we're used to
also this

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Conan peaked 20 years ago and has gone downhill in quality since

Yea, I didn't expect much from it being a TV special but it managed to engage me more than a lot of the movies. It had a nice story and it was great to see Haibara in a focused and active role. At times it looked better than both the normal episodes and the actual films (I still can't forget how off Conan looked in a lot of the 22nd one.) I agree about the flashbacks, luckily they didn't drag the special down really hard. I wish they learned something from this special or had an active urge to make more content like it but it seemed to be an outlier looking back years later. I guess the Gomera vs. Yaiba special event thing they did was the closest we've had to my memory. They don't even need to be specials or extended length stories, they just need to mix things up some more and stop with all the detective boys.

I guess no one wants to really put their effort into a random 600th filler episode without it being pushed as a special though. That and it's easy and accepted by the audience if it's just a typical DB one. They do pretty well in the ratings and the filler that aired after the boss reveal adaption did better than it.

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i'd agree but i really dislike how they're turning shiho into a side character with as much relevancy as the detective boys. wish we ever got to fucking know anything about her life outside of making pills or if she had a love interest other than soccer man we see once every 254 episodes

Unfortunately outside of this rare instance the only relation they'll be given isn't a Conan x Kogoro substitute if he's elsewhere but just drawing comparisons to their unrequited celebrity crushes like that one time which just demeans her character further. It's weird they went out of their way to point out Haibara isn't really on the level of Conan's partner most of the time but they rarely take the many filler chances they have to put her in the spotlight with him.

it just seems like such a waste to have her stick around for so long and start relegating her to essentially "this episode's plot device brought to you by shiho"
there are so many potential things you could do with her character as one of the only other people affected by shrinkage and a former organization member, every time they focus on her and her situation shit gets fun as hell. i'm worried they'll do the same shit with akai's mom too now seeing as how she's been brought up a grand total of fucking twice so far since her introduction
at least give shiho a heiji or somethin man. since she grew up in the organization i'm sure there was another kid in a similar situation she had a crush on or something at one point

We're lucky that both Gosho and the anime staff still see her fit to mingle with Conan from time to time for some good banter and sarcastic responses. Relevancy wise Gosho has seemed to imply we'll learn more about her past in the future but it'll probably just be Gin's connection with her and her connections with others/family stuff that branches off into Akai territory. I feel like he probably would have had a moment or two about her time in America by now if he planned it, for some plot relevancy filler that wasn't specifically going to spin off into some arc but keep people satiated for a bit. Then again, maybe we just haven't gotten it yet since other plot related minor advancements are not in short supply with all the other people he's introduced so far. It's something that could happen at any time, just her recollecting something from back then.

It might be on a minor rare references basis only from Gosho but I also wonder why the anime staff seem fond of CoAi but only make a couple references in films and don't play up their dynamic together in fillers. The snarking between Conan and Heiji that seems fun from a writers' perspective has more room to happen with the tsundere Haibara who is way more likely to sarcastically say something to Conan than Heiji is.

I'll just keep holding out for some more Disappearance of Conan Edogawa and Lupin vs Conan The Movie kinds of content. There's bound to be something like it again I guess.

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How do I get into Conan? I don't want to watch a 900+ episodes anime, do I lose anything if I read the manga instead? I usually don't watch adaptations but whenever I see a Conan discussion it's always about the anime and not the manga.

Just watch the canon. You'll cut the episodes in half that way. detectiveconaninternational.blogspot.com/p/manga-based-episodes-list.html

The anime has a lot of good points in the first few hundred episodes so it's fondly discussed. The manga is fine and you know you're getting the straight deal with it. The anime is still worth checking out at some point. There's also some lists out there (or you could use the detectiveconanworld season episode lists) to help you skip fillers/tv originals which reduces the amount of episodes by a lot, and most people agree after awhile the fillers lose their charm, usually shortly after the digital switch.

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Since we're finally getting a lively Conan thread, let me ask this:

There's a good chance that Conan might suffer from COVID delays, like all the other long running anime are about to go through. They might do a lot more remastered episodes because of this.

If that happens, which episode(s) do you wanna see remastered?

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any and all shiho episodes

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none, because the old art style has its own charm