Fate route is pretty great even with its flaws. It's obvious that the series is still figuring itself out...

Fate route is pretty great even with its flaws. It's obvious that the series is still figuring itself out, but it's great at setting things up and letting you know what you're in for.

Why does it get so much hate?

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It's popular, therefore contrarian Yas Forums hates it. Is it really that hard to figure out?

UBW does more with the same cast except maybe Berserker who gets pretty shafted in UBW. HF however has almost an entirely different main cast. People just like UBW because of the high budget anime adaptation.

But the main relationship in Fate beats the living shit out of the relationship in UBW. RinxShirou is boring as fuck

Would Philoctetes be an Archer or Berserker? He seems more qualified as an Archer but man he was beyond pissed off after Odysseus just left him on that island.

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RinxShirou is bad just because they make better friends/allies than lovers. Rin and Shirou being friends and pushing each other to be the best they can be is ideal.

Meanwhile, there's no substance to SaberxShirou. They have nothing in common, and she only likes him because he viewed her as a girl. That's it. He likes her because she's cute. That's it. This is the truly boring ship.

SakuraxShirou makes the most sense, despite Sakura being the worst character in FSN.

No it's not

>RinxShirou is bad just because they make better friends/allies than lovers.
Your lover tends to be one of your best friends. This isn't mutually exclusive to platonic friends.
>Meanwhile, there's no substance to SaberxShirou. They have nothing in common
They literally share the same ideals and worldview.
>SakuraxShirou makes the most sense
maybe as the most forced relationship in the novel

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Depends on who summons him, and with what catalyst. He should be compatible with either.

>maybe as the most forced relationship in the novel

explain?

Worms belong in the dirt.

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Actually this. You'd be surprised by how many people haven't read the VN.

Different user here but I can see where he's coming from. Shirou ends up attracted to Saber/Rin because of the hardships they end up experiencing together and how they help Shirou through those hardships. Shirou ends up attracted to Sakura... because Sakura just so happens to be there.

>grew up together
>cooks him dinner all the time
>has massive tits
why wouldn't he become attracted to her?

There's romantic tension between Shirou, Saber and Rin in every single route. Sakura is the only exception where Shirou treats her like a little sister in Fate and UBW, but suddenly falls in love with her the moment she becomes a victim. Their romance in general is unnatural and there's more chemistry between Rin and Shirou in Sakura's own route.

Fate fans secretly hate Seiba and they hate they route because she's the heroine and gets to be happy.

Delusional Sakurafag, there's plenty of substance to SaberxShirou it's just unconventional, doesn't mean it's bad. Their relationship is easily the most interesting. Shirou is Sakura's savior, she's just a damsel in distress which isn't very unique. But I will say that romantically it's about even in terms of quality, with SakuraxShirou being pretty damn good because it's so cliche. It's still cliche, even though it's the most fulfilling to Shirou's ideals, over all quality.

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He's mad because she isn't the girl she personally likes. Sakura and Shirou not only know each other from before the events of Stay Night, but they're also extremely similar to each other: both orphans, unable to move on from their pasts, polite yet broken inside. It's hard to believe they wouldn't be attracted to each other

There were also great scenes between Shirou and Saber in HF at the beginning. Saber and Rin have the best over all chemistry, even though it's lacking in UBW for Rin.

It's because she has been so popular for so long people got sick of it.

>both orphans
So is Rin
To a lesser degree, so is Saber.
>unable to move on from their pasts,
Saber.
Not so much Rin.
>polite yet broken inside
Rin is a magus with horrible self doubt issues about her capability to be a magus.
Saber is horribly broken inside.

>both orphans
Sakura isn't an orphan, she still considers the Matou's to be her family and she reconnects with Rin after F/SN.
>unable to move on from their pasts
Shirou's entire backstory is based on moving on from his past. Did you miss the part where Shirou's old identity "died" in the fire?
>polite yet broken inside
>Sakura
>polite

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Sakura is incredibly polite stop memeing

Saber isn't an orphan (I mean, at least I don't think the novel itself ever mentions anything about her parents) and Rin isn't broken inside just because she has self doubts. You're just being way too lax with the terms because you want to be right

I didn't realize being manipulative and two-faced was a sign of being polite. My mistake.

I wish she were as manipulative as you make her out to be. She got shit on all her life I don't belittle her because of it.

>>>>>Sakura isn't an orphan
Absolutely retarded. Do you think she considers Zouken her parent?
>Shirou's backstory is based on moving on from his past
Again, very retarded. Shirou can't escape that day. His whole personality is about his survivior complex. He's still "trapped" in that fire just like Sakura is still "trapped" inside the worm pit no matter where she goes
>polite
Yes? Sakura is very polite and they have a pretty cosy life together despite both being traumatized

Overall. You're really dumb

>Do you think she considers Zouken her parent?
She calls him grandpa right? And Shinji her brother iirc

>Absolutely retarded. Do you think she considers Zouken her parent?
Maybe not biologically, but a lot of extended materials such as F/HA reveal that Sakura still cares about the Matou side of her adopted family. Especially Shinji.

And do you think that means that's how she truly feels? The man who has been raping her with worms since she was a little kid. The man she kills. The man she fears so much she hides in Shirou's house all day. The man she herself knows is trying to manipulate her every time he acts polite (as stated in the visual novel). She believes that's her "grandpa"?

Yeah that justifies murder, raping your own sister and manipulating a man to love you. She's just getting a bit of redemption, nothing wrong with that.

>manipulating a man to love you
The complete opposite. She tried to distance herself from Shirou to protect him. She told him all the bad things about her to make him go away yet he still loved her despite everything
>murder
Zouken and Shinji? Am I supposed to care about people like that?
>raping your won sister
While all the evils from this world were amplifying her negative emotions. In a bad ending with a dead end that isn't part of the main storyline