Why do so many orcs in Anime have pig snouts?
Why do so many orcs in Anime have pig snouts?
Matthew Lopez
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Jonathan Sullivan
Because for some japs, orcs are what we call pig men. And what we call as orcs are just better goblins.
Zachary Hall
It's a trope that dates back to 1st edition D&D, where orcs were literally pigmen.
The idea entered jrpgs and persisted, even after pigmen orcs were retconned out of the Monster Manual.
Ryan Long
Is D&D also the origin of the whole "orcs have tusks" thing?
Connor Wood
This. A huge amount of Japanese fantasy stereotypes actually came from DnD.
Camden White
For Japan it was Wizardry that was very popular and they had (and still have) pig orcs.
Isaac Gonzalez
I may be wrong but didn't the big green mean orc most people know come from WoW?
William Mitchell
I'm pretty sure it was actually Warhammer.
Josiah Cruz
Orcs were always pig men only that massive gayfag Tolkien made them negroids.
John Ortiz
Edgy Warcraft then
Kevin Bell
I hate moblins.
Gavin Cooper
As far as Tolkien was concerned, goblins and orcs were the same thing. In the Hobbit they were exclusively called goblins, but in Lord of the Rings different characters use different names for them depending on their cultural background.
Anthony Cook
Brandon Smith
>There does not seem to be any association between goblins and the colour green before the early 1900's. Searching shows that the early examples are fairy stories, which peaked in the 1920's. Then the association goes quiet until the mid 60's, when Spider-Man first encountered the Green Goblin.
>Spider-Man and his green antagonist were created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko, who were both born in the 1920's. Given this is when "green goblin" fairy tales were at a peak, and, apparently, via a school study aid at that, this is where they may have first formed the association. That said, as user @DaveSherohman points out, the authors were also fond of alliterative names — see Peter Parker, Jonah Jameson and so on — so it may just be a co-incidence.
>Tolkien originally labelled his antagonists as goblins, and continued to use a loose association with the word when he switched to "orcs". The popularity of his work took off in the mid-60's — exactly the time when Spider-Man was re-enforcing the association between goblins and green.
>Comic art has obviously always been an important influence on gaming culture generally. And when gaming exploded onto the scene in the mid-70's, there seem to have been two independent sources of green orcs and goblins.
>The first source of green orcs seems to have been Tolkien artist Tim Kirk. He contribured this picture, The Road to Minas Tirith, to a 1975 Tolkien calendar:
Adam Hernandez
evolution of overdesigned
Connor Ward
Wiki's article on Orcs says:
>Tolkien's Orcs have been a major influence on fantasy fiction and games; they are the literary precursors of the Orcs (and similar races) of many different settings. The Orcs of Warhammer Fantasy, Dungeons & Dragons and other games most often differ from Tolkien's Orcs in that they are taller than Humans and usually have green or greyish-green skin rather than dark or yellowish skin. A notable exception are the Orcs in the most popular German role playing game The Dark Eye, which like Tolkien's orcs are small and dark, but also furry. The world of Hârn has an Orc-inspired race known as Gargun, whose name recalls the term gorgûn ("orcs") from the language of Tolkien's Druedain.
Also note that the Dragon Quest series is a series that nearly everyone in japan played as a child over the past 35 years.
Robert Rivera
That's not how history works, you fucking retard. Blizzard was supposed to work on a Warhammer adaptation. Than they split during production but Blizzard kept using the green orks design.
Grayson Williams
>Because for some japs, orcs are what we call pig men. And what we call as orcs are just better goblins.
And as such for Asia, Orcs are just a subtype of Beastmen. Sometimes "Orc" and "Beastmen" are interchangeable.
Ian Sanders
Austin Walker
Japanese humor is nigh-exclusively related to word puns, so when someone made the connections between "pork" and "orc" it stuck
Isaac Watson
Isaiah Perez
There is an ancient ongoing battle between Yas Forumsirgins and fa/tg/uys about who popularized the green orc archetype.
And I mean "popularized" and not "invented" deliberately.
Landon Jenkins
See It's more like Blizzard trying to evade a lawsuit, nobody really cares what fans think.
Connor Adams
Yeah, Dragon Quest is also why Slimes show up in every Japanese fantasy/isekai series even though they have no basis in any Western fantasy at all.
Evan Sanchez
D&D has the gelatinous cube, but is nowhere as popular.
Ryan Richardson
they need to appeal to burgerland
Nathan Kelly
These orcs have tusks though
John Bailey
Most likely slimes were a spinoff of the gelatinous cube converted to a smaller more low level enemy that worked well in video games.
Noah Nelson
basically this
in every tabletop I've ever played, orcs have almost consistently just been goblins with higher stats.
Jordan Peterson
In simple terms, Japs only ever got poorly translated versions of D&D1e stuff, and stuck to their cultural representations od said material after FF and Dragonquest came out.
Every Jrpg is just them beating this eons old corpse of stolen western content- to the point where FF is just a game mechanics simulator opposed to an axctual RPG (Like the monsters having no real reason to be present in most games, or ties to ecology or greater world at large)
Jaxson Brown
Baldur's gate 1 slimes are pretty scary if you don't know their weakness in contrast to easy low level DQ slimes too
Evan Smith
>Japan adopts plenty of DnD 1e monsters/aesthetics through Wizardry/Dragon Quest osmosis.
>No Bulette, the only DnD-original monster worth a shit.