>“Americans shoot things and they blow up and the like, so as you’d expect, they make movies like that,” said Miyazaki at the time.
>“If someone is the enemy, it’s okay to kill endless numbers of them,” he continued. “Lord of the Rings is like that. If it’s the enemy, there’s killing without separation between civilians and soldiers. That falls within collateral damage. How many people are being killed in attacks in Afghanistan? The Lord of the Rings is a movie that has no problem doing that [not separating civilians from enemies, apparently]. If you read the original work, you’ll understand, but in reality, the ones who were being killed are Asians and Africans. Those who don’t know that, yet say they love fantasy are idiots.”
>There is a discourse on race in Lord of the Rings, but Miyazaki’s grouping of Lord of the Rings in with the American military seems slightly baffling. Sure, the movies were released and funded by a Hollywood company, but Peter Jackson, a New Zealand native, made the films in his home country with his Wellington-based studio. Plus, J. R. R. Tolkien was British. But Miyazaki seems to be grouping all of the Western into a singular Hollywood or, even, “American” lump.
>“Even in the Indiana Jones movies, there is a white guy who, ‘bang,’ shoots people, right? Japanese people who go along and enjoy with that are unbelievably embarrassing. You are the ones that, ‘bang,’ get shot. Watching [those movies] without any self-awareness is unbelievable. There’s no pride, no historical perspective. You don’t know how you are viewed by a country like America.”
>Miyazaki has previously made critical comments about the United States, writing, “I dislike the United States that dropped the nuclear bombs and does not regret it.” He added that he was “against Americanization” and “hate[d] people who are proud that cheap Japanese cars are popular in America, and I look at people who wear badges of the U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force that filled Vietnam with dioxins as enemies.” He also claimed to be “Anti-jeans, anti-bourbon, anti-burgers”, “Anti-fried chicken, anti-cola, anti-American coffee”, and “Anti-New York, Anti-West Coast, Disneyland go back to America!”
>“Anti-New York, Anti-West Coast, Disneyland go back to America!” Based >Everything else Cringe
Michael Collins
>old pedo yells at cloud
Benjamin Morgan
>>“Amerifats shoot things and they blow up and the like, so as you’d expect, they make movies like that,” Based Miyazaki
Justin Butler
>But Miyazaki seems to be grouping all of the Western into a singular Hollywood or, even, “American” lump what a hypocrite lol
Brody Jackson
Honestly I get why Miyazaki thinks the way he does. Americans basically completely reshaped Japan Americanizing it beyond recognition. If burgers came here and did that in my country I'd probably be a salty old man too.
Jackson Lewis
>"think of all the innocent civilian orcs" What a fucking retard
Logan Campbell
>Anti-fried chicken Well, no wonder he hates anime.
Pacifism is a destructive ideology that allows tyranny to thrive
Lucas Perry
>There is a discourse on race in Lord of the Rings
Fucking stupid westerners, only they think this is a worthy discourse.
Levi Nguyen
Thank god Japan is such a peaceful nation who never waged war on anyone. They don't even have an army, apart from their self-defense forces, that's how nice they are.
Tyler Phillips
Does this guy enjoy fucking anything at all???????
>“If someone is the enemy, it’s okay to kill endless numbers of them,” he continued. “Lord of the Rings is like that. Did he watch the lord of the rings? Sauron is basically the fantasy equivalent of the fucking devil. If he and his armies aren't defeated the world will literally burn. What a retard. Does he have the same to say about nationalistically tinged anime?
Cooper Rivera
He's right. One of the core fantasy concepts is a race(s) of bad guys that the protagonists kill indiscriminately with no moral qualms. That you can't draw the parallels between that and colonization and imperialism is really on you.
Noah Hughes
>I dislike the United States that dropped the nuclear bombs and does not regret it. I wonder how he views Nanking when his country doesn't even acknowledge it among other war crimes. Where was the distinction between enemies and civilians there?
Elijah Martinez
>WAGGGHHHH people died in Afghanistan Africa and Asia thanks to racists.
>Why yes I do belong to one of the most racist countries ever in existence how could you tell.
This guy sounds like a retard, not getting you can create a fantasy setting where everyone is created specifically to kill you (the orcs in LOTR were bread SPECIFICALLY for war there were no civillians)
Josiah James
Are there even civilian orcs?
Bentley Miller
>exclusively wears western clothing >industry built on a western invention >can't even fathom LotR's themes >cries about burgers
Connor Ramirez
Old man Miyazaki is a crazy senile bastard but he's loveable despite his nonsense obsessions. Like all old farts, he just doesn't understand how other people can be proud and honorable in things that one isn't personally proud of.
James James
To be fair, he probably despises Japan as well.
Cameron Lee
>Americans basically completely reshaped Japan Americanizing it beyond recognition and thats a good thing we probably wouldn't be on this board right now if that weren't the case
Brayden Fisher
Not sorry for bombing you. It wasn’t a good thing to do, but it was necessary. maybe if you savage islanders weren’t impaling babies on spikes and raping entire cities to death we wouldn’t have had to. But you warmongering fucks wouldn’t surrender unless we burnt and salted every inch of the shitty barren rocks you called an empire. Thankfully, we found a compromise. You should be thanking us.
Chase Torres
What doesn't he despise?
Luis Wood
He's right though.
Jacob Perez
He's pretty much Yas Forums incarnate.
Matthew Sanders
I think he just hates everything besides his movies at this point who knows he might hate those as well
Carson Ward
>Lord of the Rings is like that. If it’s the enemy, there’s killing without separation between civilians and soldiers. That falls within collateral damage. How many people are being killed in attacks in Afghanistan? The Lord of the Rings is a movie that has no problem doing that [not separating civilians from enemies, apparently]. If you read the original work, you’ll understand
All I took from the original work was pages of Hobbit songs. But didn’t Aragorn and co get really mad at the knights of Gondor when they thought they killed Pippin and Merry? Otherwise I don’t think there were too many non-combatant orcs in Isengard.
Brayden Hughes
He despises what Japan has become, you can tell he fucking loves the BIG STRONG INDEPENDENT NIHON that he believes was taken away by Americans.
Connor Lopez
He enjoys little girls in a not-so-innocent way.
Evan Martin
Nips literally don't understand the concept of the devil or good vs evil. These are the same people who turned the hundreds of demon yokais they used to worship into pokemon.
Kevin Moore
You lads think he browses Yas Forums???? I bet he goes on /ic/
Kayden Wood
He likes prepubescent girls, flying machines, and looking at nature (but not actually spending time in nature)
Angel Hughes
>That you can't draw the parallels between that and colonization and imperialism is really on you. The parallels are there, but it's a good thing.
Colton Jones
>Japan is the most racist
God shut the fuck up you anti-racist westerner. I wish I could drag you and crack you open. Such sentiments, I pray, will become a mark of shame in the future. People will say "how could anyone utter those words"
Anti-racism is a pseudoscience. Its immoral and borderline Lysenkoism. You are just another westerners that feel to the need to demonize a foreign country by using these fake words you invent to attack it. What you say is meaningless, how is Japan a "racist" country.......There is no meaning, its just a way to delegitimize and deconstruct things. It has successfully been applied by westerners to their own civilization multiple times.
Nathaniel Ramirez
There's the thing though, American didn't take Nipland's honor away, Japan lost it themselves through their own mistakes. They gotta hold that L, for lack of a better term.
He goes on Yas Forums and Yas Forums to accuse everyone else of having shit taste, then gets wasted on sake and starts cunnyposting.
Joshua Williams
If only we killed indiscriminately instead of just set up colonies.
Tyler Miller
Fund it
Nathan Foster
Ok but seriously though Yas Forums, is there anyone in the industry more of an absolute fucking retard than miyazaki??? I'm having trouble thinking of one.
Ayden Young
>“Americans shoot things and they blow up and the like, so as you’d expect, they make movies like that,” said Miyazaki at the time. >Sure, the movies were released and funded by a Hollywood company, but Peter Jackson, a New Zealand native, made the films in his home country with his Wellington-based studio. Plus, J. R. R. Tolkien was British. But Miyazaki seems to be grouping all of the Western into a singular Hollywood or, even, “American” lump.
Miyazaki is just a hateful old fool. It's obvious he doesn't know shit about this subject, but here he is with his sweeping judgments about how morally below him everyone and everything is. What a fucking idiot.
>looking at nature (but not actually spending time in nature) Can't say I blame him, nature is garbage.
Landon Brown
same country with 99 million isekai and harem moeshit anime and manga lmao fuck elevens
Thomas Thomas
/ayy/ has literally been kotaku lite for the last 5 years newfag, prove me wrong i will wait
Noah Reed
Another example of a moron with strong opinions that doesn't actually understand shit.
Michael Jones
>you can tell he fucking loves the BIG STRONG INDEPENDENT NIHON that he believes was taken away by Americans.
He should be. Any nation would feel the same if they got the same treatment. You as an America, who are genetically distinct from Japan, deeply despise the belief that Japan should ever have this power.
Miyazaki should be glad that Japan didn't get what happened to Germany. Which was completely evil. Not even the USSR went as far as the allies did.
Gavin Gutierrez
This single quote spawned my favorite meme, so bless it.
Luke Perry
>The story that's an allegory for the author's experiences during World War one is bad
Landon Allen
Shut the FUCK up Miyazaki, you aren't fooling anyone
Jose Reyes
Yamakan
Anthony Kelly
Planes?
Logan Harris
Pseud opinion
Nolan Parker
Fuck off trannie
Jaxson Smith
>and looking at nature (but not actually spending time in nature)
WHAT THE FUCK???? spending time in nature is the best thing ever, is he just some fucking poser when it comes to shit like this? like how Greta Thunberg has no idea about the environment because she's not experienced it? God I hate Japan ever so slightly more now but only a little, they got cool mechs and shit so it's not that much.
Jayden Gonzalez
JJ Abrams
Dylan Russell
If you think colonies were set up without indiscriminate slaughter of "those savages over there" then you are retarded.
Caleb Peterson
Japan is racist. Cry as you might that won't change anything. But if you hate the term so much that your people created, how about calling the Japanese bigots? Or perhaps hateful, arrogant, cretins? Those terms fit just as well!
Lincoln Edwards
this nigga acting like Japs didn't start that shit in WW2 lmao can give a punch but can't take it. >baaaaww why did you use the big bomb to beat us wtf just let us win ahhhh
Nolan King
I can still call you faggot loving nigger here.
Evan Brown
Why hasn't Miyazaki done an ace combat film yet?
Luis Anderson
That's not the impression I got from Wind Rises.
Thomas Martinez
why all the savages still there then wtf
Jackson Nelson
B-but he's not a grumpy old man! Yas Forums told me that he's based and always right on everything!
Gavin Barnes
>“If someone is the enemy, it’s okay to kill endless numbers of them,” he continued. “Lord of the Rings is like that. If it’s the enemy, there’s killing without separation between civilians and soldiers."
>“Even in the Indiana Jones movies, there is a white guy who, ‘bang,’ shoots people, right? Japanese people who go along and enjoy with that are unbelievably embarrassing. You are the ones that, ‘bang,’ get shot. Watching [those movies] without any self-awareness is unbelievable. There’s no pride, no historical perspective. You don’t know how you are viewed by a country like America.”
>He added that he was “against Americanization” and “hate[d] people who are proud that cheap Japanese cars are popular in America, and I look at people who wear badges of the U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force that filled Vietnam with dioxins as enemies.” He also claimed to be “Anti-jeans, anti-bourbon, anti-burgers”, “Anti-fried chicken, anti-cola, anti-American coffee”, and “Anti-New York, Anti-West Coast, Disneyland go back to America!”
Does this old coot have any self-awareness? Doesn't he know anything his own country's history? Is he just blinded by nationalist propaganda? His country and people have been xenophobic conquerors for centuries. Up until 1945, they were a God-Emperor cult who invaded countries for glory and gave no shits about non-Japanese life, civilian or otherwise.
You know, he was 4 years old when when over 200,000 civilians were incinerated, and then went through his formative years under American occupation. I can see why he hates Americans and is talking about distinction, even if he's being a hypocrite.
Not in a mythological, metaphorical grand narrative. The contrast of qualities between that of good and evil is quite interesting. Either way, Sauron is representative of evil as an idea. He's the final villain needing to be defeated. Along the way there are villains who are more nuanced in their evil. Prime among them being saruman.
Japan does not deny "war crimes". It acknowledges them and apologizes them. I guess you wouldn't be happy until Japan completely hates itself and gives you a million dollars. But you know, even that is not enough for Germany to atone for its sin.
In typical western fashion, you hate people who oppose western powers so much you drag out things unrelated to this.
Kevin Baker
rent free schizo
Tyler Jones
They absolutely ignore their crimes. Some schools won't even teach WW2
Japan has a weird relationship with nature. On the one hand they have an animistic religion that deifies everything from leaves to whatever, yet at the same time they all cramp together in giant cyberpunk cities. If I ever go to Japan I don't think I'm even going to set foot in Tokyo. The landscapes there are too beautiful to waste time in a city that could have realistically been anywhere else in the world.
Xavier Russell
>So the bag guys, why are they doing this stuff >Cause they evil >Yes but why are they evil? >They evil guys. They do the evil.
If you can't be assed to give some fucking motivation to the antagonists then at best you're cutting out half the story. At worst all the themes you built up around fighting this evil are now propped up on strawman.
Kayden Gonzalez
>and then went through his formative years under American occupation. Oh yeah, that big bad American occupation that transformed their empire into a democratic republic where commoners like Miyazaki actually had legal rights, didn't live like farming serfs and weren't completely brutalized by the Japanese nobility.
Hudson Campbell
Americans don't like people who critiqued their powers, so they drag out stupid shit by calling Japan evil for doing what the British were doing for centuries, anyone who knows about Imperial Japan knows how absurd that all is. Which is strange. Miyazaki holds opinions that many radical Japanese leftists and communists do, what distinguishes them is that they don't hate their race. And I know that those people despise Imperial Japan too, so why even bring it up.
Liam White
>Japan commits war crimes against China >the US stops selling oil to Japan >Japan looks at an oil rich but poorly defended Dutch Colony in the South Pacific >they want to steal their oil >but wait, the US owns the Philippines >and the Brits own Singapore >they’ll do something if the Japs invade that weak Dutch colony >Hitler’s also begging Japan to attack the Soviet Union >Japan: nah fuck that, let’s slaughter the US pacific fleet so they can’t stop us from killing a bunch of Dutch people >not a single civilian in the US gives a single fuck about the retarded Dutch and their retarded colony in the South Pacific >they also don’t give a single fuck about Singapore and the retarded Brits >Japan blows up Pearl Harbor >the US is now extremely pissed off >they kick Japans shit in and eventually nuke Japan because it’s cheaper than sending hundreds of thousand of soldiers to die in Japan >Japan expects Stalin to save them >Stalin stabs them in the fucking back because it’s Stalin >Japan gets fucking wrecked >they surrender >Japanese people are mad at the Americans and Russians for kicking their shit in >even though it’s completely their fault because no one would have stopped them from beating up on the Dutch
Jayden Ward
I wonder if Miyazaki was a grumpy asshole at 4
Brayden Bailey
Try reading a Japanese wikipedia article on WW2. It's disgusting.
William Baker
Correct, a story isn't fun or engaging when the antagonist or opposing side is driven by 1 goal because they are and that's it
Luke Sanchez
Part of America's demands with surrender was a total ban on speaking about or teaching about the war, to hamper all possible attempts at spreading imperial propaganda to the next generation. And that taboo around the topic persists because of that
Nicholas Allen
>cool mechs and shit That doesn't sound very natural to me.
Ian Taylor
From In This Corner of the World I got the impression the yanks treat their conquered pretty well. Does anyone know what Jap I search to find firsthand accounts of those that lived through the American occupation years?
