I've been watching a few of the episodes from the original green jacket Lupin series and, 70s anime goofiness aside...

I've been watching a few of the episodes from the original green jacket Lupin series and, 70s anime goofiness aside, I'm surprised that this is tonally closer to that Fujiko Mine show and the sequel OVAs than it is to the red jacket show.

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Lupin's progression in tone is more of a fluctuation than a directional change. Its usually pretty random what ends up being like what.

Green Jacket becomes a lot more kid friendly and goofy as it goes on. An early episode has Lupin and Jigen killing people with harpoons underwater during a mission and then the series suddenly has plots like "A guy with a working time machine, which no one finds in any way weird, shows up to fight Lupin." or "Some 70s super computer can predict what Lupin will do and he beats it by just doing something else."

Nah you find the really off the wall stupid shit people hate in lupin that keeps being derived from is lupin part 3, which is the pink jacket escapades, doesn't help nearly all the uploads are completely fucked in part 3.

Part 1 kicks ass.
Part 3 kicks ass.

>tonally closer to that Fujiko Mine show
Except Zenigata isn't gay, there's no characters like Oscar and the plot doesn't spin around Fujiko
Just because green jacket is more dark than red jacket doesn't mean it's closer to the Fujiko Mine show
No other entry in the series is close to it, including the OVAs which aren't sequels, by the way
You should stop discussing things you don't know much about

Are you always such a pedantic annoying faggot?

>Zenigata is gay
He smashes Fujiko and you hate him for it.

Would you call differences like the story not being pretentious shit, not having a gay character who lusts after Zenigata or anyone for that matter (while in the Fujiko Mine show he has a solid amount of screentime), not focusing on only one character (Fujiko) with others appears rarely etc. pedantic? I wonder what's not pedantic for you, then.

Yeah, I fucked up while typing, he fucks Fujiko.
>and you hate him for it
Nice assumption you have there.

I want to fuck Fujiko

At least I can only imagine being bad at typing.

>episode 4
Remind me why this is considered one of the best episodes in the series again? Where from does Lupin get the fake beard and hair that he uses to make that fake doll of himself (which tricks the guard that came to shave him), and where from does he get the fake beard and hair that he glues to the guard that was supposed to shave him (and if he reused the fake beard and hair that he used for the doll, with what did he glue it?)?
Why does Zenigata immediately go to stop the fake execution instead of getting Lupin back into his cell which would take like 5 seconds?
Those plot holes ruin the entire episode.

There really isn't a single episode in the entire series where the payoff is some masterfully executed plan and not cartoon physics, except maybe Teamplay Operation. The episode is good despite that.

Don't act that just because the series isn't entirely realistic there should be no logic behind the stories
There are tons of episodes where the plot is coherent, even if the events aren't realistic
For example, Part IV's episode that pays homage to the prison break episode (I'll mention that one since it's the most relevant to the discussion) actually makes sense, as you can see where he got the materials for his trick, even if the trick is really far-fetched.

But there isn't solid logic behind the antics 90% of the time. Why expect it here just because a newer episode did it differently? The minutea of how his plan worked isn't really the point of the episode. It's about Lupin and Zenigata playing off each other.

It's pretty interesting to compare the episodes the show adapted from the manga to the originals. Take the Pycal episode for example, in Osumi's version it ends on a quiet and introspective but still upbeat note where Lupin and Jigen just lie down on the grass and enjoy the moment, in the manga it ends on a dick joke.

Lately they've been unloading a lot of Lupin stuff in Pastaland between specials, OVA and season one and two.
I wonder if it has anything to do with Corona-chan fucking up airing schedules.

>But there isn't solid logic behind the antics 90% of the time
Wrong. You strike me like the "fun things are fun" cancer who doesn't think or want anything serious of the franchise. Do you give such leeway to every anime that isn't extremely deep?
>The minutea of how his plan worked isn't really the point of the episode. It's about Lupin and Zenigata playing off each other
I'll give you that, as the characterization and psychology is better in that episode than in the Part IV one, but they could have made the plot better.

If it were up to me there would be more episodes solely about pulling off heists including the set up, planning and execution. No side character of the week or wacky gimmick. But the reality of the situation is more often than not Lupin is going to pull an umbrella out of nowhere to survive a fall off a cliff or randomly have a life sized inflatable dummy of himself filled with bubblegum or some shit to trap Zenigata. And that's cool too. I can temper my expectations with what the show actually tends to be most of the time. I just go with the flow because I like the characters and general tone.

I like almost every Lupin really but whatever someone has to say to me it's Miyazaki that ruined Lupin.

No way.

Well given how much sex and violence is in the original manga of Lupin, the very first anime based off of it and an anniversary spinoff that's supposed to be celebratory of Lupin's roots having more violence and sex in than the others, which were aimed more towards a general audience, isn't surprising.

>If it were up to me there would be more episodes solely about pulling off heists including the set up, planning and execution
Same here, those episodes are where Lupin excels (when it comes to this episode type I think Part 2 had it the most), although some would disagree and claim that Lupin excels in absurd stories and wacky, illogical antics.
>Lupin is going to pull an umbrella out of nowhere to survive a fall off a cliff or randomly have a life sized inflatable dummy of himself filled with bubblegum or some shit to trap Zenigata
Yeah, these aren't creative, but I don't mind them that much as long as the stuff before that is planned out, since the dummies and such stuff are used to escape after the heist has been done.
>I just go with the flow because I like the characters and general tone.
Same here, I can watch the gang do anything.
I've been thinking of making a kind of guide for Part 2's episodes (since there are 155 of them and they are very varied, so the series is the most daunting to approach) by making a chart with episode types which would say which episode belongs to which type (or to a mixture of few types). The heist episode is one of the types I would include, as well as absurdist stuff (the cannibalism episode would fall under this, for example) and popular culture stuff (the episode references something that's well-known). I've been also thinking of adding a sign to indicate hypnosis plot thread, but that might be too much of a spoiler. Do you have any ideas how I should go about this?
Also, nice trips.