What makes a good villain and who is the best shonen villain?

You have to have a strong impact on the plot and an entertaining personality. For example, Kibutsuji Muzan is kind of a bad villain. While he is objectively responsible for the events of the story, he also doesn't have much presence throughout it, and doesn't have enough raw charisma to make up for that.

>but back then the twist was cool as fuck.
It was one of the most predictable twists in media history.

Tobi was more entertaining when he was a retard

Seconding this one, Freiza is just iconic

Wrong. In the 2000's no one really believed he was Obito until the end. Most people thought he was Madara or maybe even a clone of Obito. I miss these old foruns and theories kek.

>And has a kernel of inner or greater truth to it.
Not necessarily.
Pic related is a great villain.
No personality, no backstory, no need.
His only character trait is motivation and the extent he goes to demonstrate it is terrifying.

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We're on Yas Forums and talking about shounen you buffoon

>Wrong. In the 2000's no one really believed he was Obito until the end.

That’s because it was TOO obvious and Obito didn’t have any good motivation for going so evil. What, was it because Rin died? What kind of supervillain wants to do Third Impact because the 14 year old he liked died? (Besides Shinji.)

>Most people thought he was Madara or maybe even a clone of Obito.

haha some people even thought he was Sasuke from the future can you imagine anyone pushing that theory haha

Force of will and a journey exceeding that of the main character.

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Just introducing him or her correctly. First impressions go a long way.
Have them present in the story and not held off till just before the final fight.
You can either let the reader know about them from the background characters, or an actual fight between the characters or even have a flashback or unrelated fight.
I don’t consider pic related the best but I liked him. Makoto Shishio is another great example but I haven’t watched kenshin in a long time.

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Can you imagine Sylph, for a moment, bent over a table as the Scarlet Meister makes you utterly beg for me? I don't prefer to, but Schrodinger isn't here. Here kitty.
*Saturday night and drunk off your ass blackout>*

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When their motive for being evil has a better reasoning than MC's motive for being good.

Why does this nigga have a cow pie on his face?

Sounds like a personal problem.

PRIDE

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Eren Jaeger

A good villain puts you in that sweet spot where you want to justify his actions but you are still horrified of them. It makes you actually think about yourself and how you could be a monster too.
Pic related is a good example.

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God I fucking hate the state of Naruto threads.

When are you going to post spoilers for the next Boruto chapter?

That’s not even true

Based

This. It wasn't about the meta view of it about the audience knowing, it was the suspense in-universe and the impact it would have on the characters.

no such thing