Madoka Philosophy Thread

I wish they just let this shit end after rebellion.

It's all cool. We've got a lot more Magical Girls now and the family keeps growing.

""The universe has a beginning, but no end. — Infinite. The stars, too, have a beginning, but their own power leads to their destruction. — Finite. History dictates that it is the wise who are most foolish. One could call this a final warning from God, to those who can still resist."

Honestly, I love anime and manga for emphasizing the importance of human action / agency / will in the world. It is truly liberating, positive and enjoyable, when compared to the nihilistic visions presented in most modern Western media today. I am also glad there are still so many intelligent anons on Yas Forums, I thought everything had been lost, but I was wrong (they weren't gone, they were just hiding)!

take your meds op

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You are the Last Man: powerless, impotent and atomized, lusting for a strength you shall never possess. You shall forever stay as such if you believe mere personal power will save you.

Strength comes from knowing that the universe will eat you and the determination to continue forth with its weight upon your shoulders.

It's shallow and pointless compared to the original show. As an anime it fails utterly because there are far too many characters in a short time to actually give a shit about. Ultimately the story has none of the interesting themes of the original anime, it's just "some stuff happens in the Madoka setting".

It's a 6/10. Enjoyable but flawed, but also empty of any meaning beyond "be friends and help eachother :)"

t.good people that will find inner peace and happiness one day

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"Is it not true that the clever rogue is like the runner who runs well for the first half of the course, but flags before reaching the goal: he is quick off the mark, but ends in disgrace and slinks away crestfallen and uncrowned. The crown is the prize of the really good runner who perseveres to the end."

>I love anime and manga for emphasizing the importance of human action / agency
Agreed, it's why anime as a medium has made a big impact on my life

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Hey Homura! You get what you fucking deserve

Well yeah, literally asked for it!

Schizo thread

First of all, that last thread was great and thanks again to OP for making it.

I'd love to hear some thoughts on this. Let's assume, for sake of argument, that Homura is acting entirely selfishly in Rebellion. My question is why is that so wrong. She'd sacrificed so much for so little. She'd gone through the same events so many times for a supposed victory that was entirely against her original goal of saving Madoka (again, even if for selfish reasons). Why should Homura accept such an outcome?

I suppose that I agree with those who consider the original ending tragic, but I part company when it comes to the flower scene. Those who agree with me on Homura's being justified often point to it to suggest that she was justified because Madoka herself would have wanted Homura to act as she ended up doing. Implied is, I suppose, the point that Homura was actually affirming Madoka's agency, rather than denying it. But I don't really see why that is decisive. Why should Homura not get her just deserts for all her effort? Or at the least, why should she accept complete failure?

Were it not such a minority opinion, I might have been inclined to think that the greatness of Homura's story is not that she acted for another, but that after doing so for so long, she acted for herself.

So I recently re-watched PMMM for my Princess game. Are the other ones worth watching, considering the major premise is already known, or nah?

Simple
Homura did something wrong to do something right.
She gave Madoka the life she truly wanted, but at the cost of violating Madoka's agency.

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The OP of last thread doesn't even have a surface level grasp of Egoism.

What is there to understand aside from "if i do something that benefits me then it's morally good"
It's pretty basic shit.

One might levy the similar charge at Madoka herself in the final episode of the TV series. Madoka's wish, far from being selfless, results in Homura's absolute despair and completely strips her of her agency (at least, until Rebellion). Yet the moral correctness of Madoka's act is hardly questioned. If it's not wrong for Madoka to make a wish for herself, why is it wrong for Homura to act to make her own wish come true?

something something buddhist enlightenment vs christian salvation blah blah blah. Just got read "The Very Soil"

>morality

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Madoka's wish was made beyond her own desires for happiness. Madoka, by putting herself below saving meguca, she's also putting Homura and everyone else who cares about Madoka below that.

From Homura's perspective, this is absolutey terrible. Madoka's happiness, and Homura's own happiness, is more important than that.

Nobody is right or wrong, because they're all right and wrong at the same time. It's all a matter of perspective. Everything is a shade of grey and it's difficult to think about.