Stop hating Shinji
>Shirou always thought him as a good guy, even after HGW
>Rin rescues him in UBW
>Sakura forgives him.
>We see Shinji not being a piece of shit when HGW does not happen.
Only people I see hating Shinji are tertiaries, waifufags and speedreaders. It's painfully obvious to the reader that every character in the VN realizes all of his faults were caused by tragic circumstances, yet he tries to do good.
>Fate route.
Fights for Sakura, dies for it.
>UBW
Fights for Sakura. Gets little rapey with Rin but never goes through with it, Cu knows he is full of shit and lets him go. Gets saved because Rin knows he is full of shit.
>HF
Has a mental break down, gets rapey and killed off by Sakura. I too would be mad if I knew my best and only friend was going to bonk my imouto.
Stop hating Shinji
based and shinjipilled
I don't like rapists
>I too would be mad if I knew my best and only friend was going to bonk my imouto.
So... you're also a possessive quasi-incestual rapist?
Only good Shinji is an Extra Shinji.
Gay.
What makes you think he wouldn't have raped Rin?
He raped Sakura before
There has never been proof about Shinji raping Sakura and if there was Rider would have had his head lobbed off.
The whole premise being about a deathmatch among Magi families does not help a bit. You can't blame Shinji for losing it, he is completely fine with it outside the HGW.
Post proofs.
Shinji clearly cares about Sakura.
Shinji also fucks Rider, so I don't see Rider defending Sakura from getting dicked when both master and servant secretly love it
>brings up a couple scenes using Shirou's dumbass opinion.
>Shinji dindu guys
remember when Shirou unironically wondered if Casters shields broke because they were made of glass?
user, don't shitpost in my serious thread.
I know people will bring up some screenshots about Shinji having sex with Sakura and call it rape. The major problem with that statement is that we know it does not fit the most uptodate definition of rape. By the courtesy of FBI:
>“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”
Shinji had consent to have sex with Sakura. We know Sakura was a damaged person but that doesn't the consent given by her would somehow be invalid. Shinji never had to force his way with her and Sakura never tried to stop him.
>"…She was able to bear it until now."
>"But now her body belongs to Shirou… and the thought of giving that body to her brother disgusts her."
>"o."
>She cannot accept either.
>She doesn't want to be violated by her brother, and she doesn't want him to tell Shirou about their secret.
>All that's left is her naked emotion.
>The mind that has been suppressed for eleven years…
This was the first time Sakura felt disgust about having sex with Shinji. You have hard time calling previous encounters rape when Sakura didn't have any negative feelings about them.
>Asserting his dominance, he starts like he always does.
>The girl stares up him with empty eyes.
>"I wish he wouldn't exist."
>Eleven years.
>She thinks something she has never thought during that time.
This is the first time Sakura feels anger or resentment against Shinji. This is the first time she resists his advances. If the previous times were rape which Sakura disliked wouldn't she grow to dislike her rapist as well?
The previous examples won't fit any definition of rape, therefore you can only say Shinji tried to rape Sakura.
Despite being an dumbass and bad at magic, Shirou has always been a good judge of character.
Sakura deserved all the rape. Prove me wrong.
You say the first time she felt disgust about having sex with him was when she killed him, but your first line: "…She was able to bear it until now." proves otherwise.
She very clearly never wanted to. He forced himself on her and considered the side effects of her affliction to be consent.
Also Shinji did fuck Rider, too. He used up all his luck.
Shinji is just a terribly written character. He’s a boring hate sink with nothing interesting about him. The fate route establishes him as a pathetic pos, and instead of doing anything interesting with him in the next to routes, Nasu just make him more of a hate sink. He’s so over the top terrible in every way it’s hard to take his character seriously any time he comes in screen.
>t.cuck
God imagine how cool it would be if kiritsugu just killed every single f/sn character.
>You say the first time she felt disgust about having sex with him was when she killed him, but your first line: "…She was able to bear it until now." proves otherwise.
>She very clearly never wanted to. He forced himself on her and considered the side effects of her affliction to be consent.
It's not Shinjis fault if Sakura displayed consent and didn't push back on him. He is actually surprised when she says "no" because that's the first time it has happened
His "circumstances" aren't even bad. He's a sociable and popular kid who's good at sports, and he wasn't even forced to participate in the war in the first place. I don't see how his inferiority complex justify raping Sakura or trying to hurt so many people during each route like he does. He's a bad and evil person. That's all there is to it
Kerry certainly is retarded enough to waste him time on something so pointless.
>His "circumstances" aren't even bad.
You should read the VN.
Based Shinji thread
He would job to Taiga before even getting to anyone else.
>Sakura never tried to stop him.
Because she was robbed of any personal agency because of being sold into the Matou family. She was too young to provide consent and was an emotionless husk of a girl at the time. Shinji took advantage of this by taking out his frustration and inferiority complex on her. He raped her, and it was for the typical reason of: establishing dominance and feeling powerful. It doesn't mean its consensual if she didn't fight back because of how broken she was. It doesn't make it right.
>if Sakura displayed consent and didn't push back on him
Shinji knows exactly the kind of shit Sakura goes through, emotionlessly lying on the bed isn't giving consent.
Let me guess, you like Gil and cu?
>Because she was robbed of any personal agency because of being sold into the Matou family.
Not really. She could have had killed Shinji and Zouken could have had cared less.
>She was too young to provide consent
Sakura was at least 16, old enough to give consent.
>and was an emotionless husk of a girl at the time
That's just plain wrong, she already saw Shirou at that point but only interacted with him a year later.
>Shinji took advantage of this by taking out his frustration and inferiority complex on her.
Yes. Shinji did abuse Sakura.
>He raped her, and it was for the typical reason of: establishing dominance and feeling powerful.
Raping requires a lack of consent and Shinji had Sakuras consent. She never said "No" to him.
>It doesn't mean its consensual if she didn't fight back because of how broken she was. It doesn't make it right.
No but Sakura being depressed doesn't make it rape either when she doesn't signal it. We don't know if Shinji would have had backed off because Sakura never said she didn't want to have sex with him. We know this from the dialogue because Shinji is shown surprised about Sakuras refusal, it's the first time he hears it.
>Shinji knows exactly the kind of shit Sakura goes through
Shinji is a magus and in his mind the training is a privilege afforded to Sakura. The only person who thought her training as immoral and shitty was Sakura herself, even Rin scolded her about it.
Only Sakura thought it as something painful.
>emotionlessly lying on the bed isn't giving consent.
You don't that she was emotionlessly lying on a bed.
Your timeline of her and Shinji is all fucked up
>She could have had killed Shinji
She and him grew up together and until Shinji found out she was the new heir and not him they were typical friendly siblings. Shinji finds out what happened and snapped, and started taking it out on her. She felt bad for him and wouldn't just kill him, she was his brother. You clearly don't understand the mind of a rape victim. Rape victims are almost always raped by someone they know.
>Sakura was at least 16, old enough to give consent
She was raped before the age of 16 by the worms in the basement and then later raped by Shinji way before FSN takes place. She was probably as young as 13 when it started happening.
>She never said "No" to him.
>implying consent from a broken person like is actually "consent"
Just no, you fucking psychopath. He was taking advantage of her being a broken person because her life was shit.
>Your timeline of her and Shinji is all fucked up
It's not.
"This outlet has been his daily routine for the past few years. It is his best opposition that began three years ago when he found out the truth."
So Shinji started abusing Sakura about 2 years before the HGW. Sakura was adopted way earlier but Shinji only found out later about it. His father died at the same time span also.
>You clearly don't understand the mind of a rape victim. Rape victims are almost always raped by someone they know.
But there never was rape.
>She was raped before the age of 16 by the worms in the basement and then later raped by Shinji way before FSN takes place. She was probably as young as 13 when it started happening.
Yes. She had to go through worms way before Shinji but Shinji started to abuse her max three years before HGW
>Just no, you fucking psychopath
You know this is the 5th time this week when someone Yas Forums calls me a psychopath but I assure you I'm completely sane
>He was taking advantage of her being a broken person because her life was shit
He took advantage of a broken person because his life was shit. Alas, that's besides the point here
>implying consent from a broken person like is actually consent
The main problem with this statement is that Sakura never thought what Shinji was doing as something disgusting, in fact she drew pleasure from it
see
>A spasm runs through her
>The man smiles, believing the reaction is the same as always
>It's no different
>Their relationship will never change, no matter where the woman may run
>Even if she regains her emotion or finds another man, she will want him once he pushes her down
>This woman is his possession
>It doesn't matter if she is the heir. She is merely a toy given to him
>That's why he doesn't notice until it happens
>The girl struggling beneath him feels no excitement
>He doesn't notice that she's filled with nothing but disgust and loathing
The day Sakura killed Shinji was the exception, not the rule.
Are Shinjifags literal sociopaths or something
God I wish I was, imagine how easy your life would be if you couldn't feel guilt.
No but sakurafags are.
anons I've watched every Fate anime except Extra but i've heard it's trash. What should I do?
But user... I like Shinji for being comically evil and dumb
Shinji is not an awful person but he is far from a good person. He is petty, vindictive, slimy and gets jealous easily but with the right push in the right direction he can be redeemed and be an okay human being. In a scale from 0 to 10 where 0 is monstrous psycho and 10 is jesus-like, Shinji would be a 3/10. Kind of a dick and sometimes really shitty but still has a chance of turning it around.