Isn't a democracy like in Ishuzoku Reviewers the most natural form of government that isekai should have?

Isn't a democracy like in Ishuzoku Reviewers the most natural form of government that isekai should have?
>world filled with literal supermen
>most of them are attention seeking troublemakers who end up becoming adventurers because they don't want to obey the rules and love the thrill
If you think about it, a system like this is too turbulent for monarchy and feudalism, especially when the monarchs and nobles in many setting are just weakass normal humans. They will be overthrown in no time and there is no reason any superman would want to work under them, making the only people who can become leaders those who get the support of the majority.

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depends if your monarchy are a clan of super humans

Example though? I don't remember any isekai where all aristocrats are as strong as adventurers.

Is this the thread?

in most isekai everyone except the most crippled can use magic
and even among said cripples there's the MC that is OP anyway

The one with the 7 genius children.
Considering how anime works, this is how isekai should work. At the very least some super strong guy will also want to become the king/emperor and do it. And then because of anime bloodlines his children will also big strong.

Chinksekai is all about that, there's "government" but really it's all just a coat of paint over "might makes right". The mayor rules the city because he can personally kill everyone else who lives there, and the Emperor is in charge because he could fight the entire empire himself with his bare hands and come out the victor without a scratch.

Assuming there's big power differences it's highly likely to turn out like that, and even if they aren't THAT big, it's still oligarchy. A few powerful clans/companies/individuals get together and negotiate terms with each other, and everyone else fills in underneath them.

The most likely organization for most Isekai settings is feudal nobility of power is inheritable, and corporate oligarchy if it's possible for anyone to become strong. Neither one of them rules out democracy, it just means it'll be at best a sham system only applicable to the poor and weak, while the true rulers wield absolute power from the shadows. You know, like earth.

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>Example though? I don't remember any isekai where all aristocrats are as strong as adventurers.

Konosuba, Slime and Sword Dad are examples of that.

At least it makes sense like that. But in Jap isekai all city bursting adventurers just obey the words of the useless king and fatass nobles, which makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense if you assume the writer aren't very observant and only see the "front" face of government. The figureheads and faces of politics all look like that. They're "in charge" and everyone listens to them, but it doesn't actually make any sense until you see the power behind them and realize they're just middle managers.
If you're not interested on politics and your story doesn't touch on it that's all you WOULD see as an average adventurer, or even an above average one with a below average perception. It's not a problem until you get into the part of the story where the author decides he actually DOES want to have a whole political arc and reveals he has no fucking clue what he's doing and the entire government of the world was just a "chimps and ladder" arrangement where everyone was just blindly following arbitrary tradition. That kind of thing actually HAS happened in real life too so it wouldn't be so bad if it was acknowledged and started a gigantic civil war.

>Obligatory pic related.

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Taiwan number one!

Though it always means purges happen every 10 secs when someone is strong enough to face the local tyrant.

Then again Sects are pretty much republics in some sense

knights are usually depicted as being more uniformed and discipline than adventurers. One on one a high rank adventurer can probably beat a knight but a knight order can easily fuck over a party of adventurers.

There are also some series where high ranking adventurers tend to be recruited as knights. Though high rankers make more than knights, knights have a steadier stream of income. Though history taking professional military from the local populous tends to be the first step of a monarch collapsing (usually because an army whose main force is composed of commoners might get cold feet when ordered to suppress commoners that might be their family members)

That's just upward mobility in action! It's important to shake things up and root out corruption through mass executions every once in a while! And the bloodbath with eventually be stopped by the regional tyrant. After all, it's not like a mere disciple of a lower sect could ever rise to overthrow the current exalted ruler, his glory has shined through the past ten million years unshadowed!

What I can never understand is why adventurers never attempted to overthrown a government making up of powerless overweight nobles even though they can kill fucking dragons.

Risou no Himo Seikatsu
Royal bloodlines posses unique powerful magic like teleportation, healing or enchantment while plebs can only master elemental magic

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>One on one a high rank adventurer can probably beat a knight but a knight order can easily fuck over a party of adventurers.
Only in worlds where a single adventurer can't slay the whole knight order with a swing of his sword and destroy the capital by himself.

You got so close, and then you failed to finish the thought.
Yes, weak monarchs would be overthrown by adventurers.
And then the adventurers would rule until they would get overthrown themselves.
A society where people power up as easily and as individually as the typical RPG or fantasy world cannot realistically have stable governments. It will inevitably fall to chaos as short-lived empires replace each other with every generation.
This makes law and order impossible. This in turn makes trade basically impossible.
And that's why these worlds would be in perpetual stone age.

Same reason the japs don't, complacency and ingrained slavery to the status quo. There's not exactly a lot of hot blooded revolutionary spirit wafting around these days. At most I'd expect a strongly worded letter or some kind of "demonstration".

that type of power is usually only reversed to the OPMC
S-ranks tend to be war gods but even they can be outnumbered by knight orders.

Why would these knights be loyal to the crown if they could take over the countries easily?

cuz royals are either badass themselvs or have mercenaries and wizards of equal powerlevel at their beck and call

guild is powerful but state can provide wizard tower and archmage with far more authority and resources for their magical research

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Like I said, money
like working for someone instead of making your own business

>Like I said, money
Worthless, when you can have all the money instead.
>like working for someone instead of making your own business
No. Like refusing to be gifted the organization and instead working for a tiny wage for that same organization.
Just because you own the organization doesn't mean you can't hire directors.

Your answer makes no sense.

Defending on the setting. In most settings knights can't hold a candles to adventurers. That's why dragon slayers are always adventurers and not knights.

knights get stipends, pensions when they retire, and probably even their own land if they're good enough.
Get crippled as an adventurer and that's it, you're fucked. Knighthood is just a better long-term plan.

>knights get stipends, pensions when they retire, and probably even their own land if they're good enough.
All worthless compared to having WAY WAY MORE if they just take the kingdom.

you can retire as a village guard

It all cancels out in the cost:benefit analysis
you can go all or nothing but how many people have the balls to, especially when the safer option gives you pretty good benefits.

IRL monarchies and nobility were established by either the toughest most ruthless motherfuckers on the block or most cunning and manipulative ones

In fantasy it should really be the same.

Won't the they eventually find the situation unfavorable for everyone and finally agree to form a democratic government guarded by the strongest of them?

>It all cancels out in the cost:benefit analysis
No it doesn't.
One is very big, the other one is tiny.
>how many people have the balls to, especially when the safer option gives you pretty good benefits.
It's not safe. You'll lose your position and your life when somebody else takes over the kingdom anyway.

>high-fantasy powerlevel scaling
>democracy

Are you out of your fucking minds the gigachad lvl99 wizards will rule everyone 100 cases out of 100

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Warlordism seems a lot more likely to me.

>RL monarchies and nobility were established by either the toughest most ruthless motherfuckers on the block or most cunning and manipulative ones
Not comparable. In real life there are no individuals who can fight hundreds of people at once. In real life, your power is largely social. You need to be part of an organization and be recognized by others in order to have power.
The same is not true for fantasy.

>have mercenaries and wizards of equal powerlevel at their beck and call
Why do those powerful guys agree to work for weak royalties when they can kill them all and become rulers themselves?

Everybody will find it bad, but that doesn't help because of the prisoner's dilemma.
Everybody needs to pick the option that is worse for them personally in order for civilization to function.
Just a single asshole could just destroy it otherwise.

>not comparable
That's only if your fighting hundreds of people at once isn't hereditary.
If it is the power lays in hand of most powerful purebred martial or magical bloodlines with muggles and shitmages below them.

there's no good reason if royals aren't badass martials or wizards themselves

in otomeshit usually royals are top level martials and wizard tower is their bitches

hereditary superpower is the only excuse for functional monarchy.

Then it will be constant wars between lvl99 wizards until they kill most of the population and decide to cool down to make a deal that is less destructive for everyone, like a democracy ruled by a council of wizards.

they would cool down historically on tribal age
Risou no Himo Seitaktsu and Reverend Insanity handled it well.
Former has royal bloodlines with unique powerful magic and latter has magical spook clans ruling muggles and fighting other magical spook clans for resources and territory.

They will agree when 99% of the populace is killed.

Any agreement can only be temporary.

why the fuck would wizards cool down all the way to handle power to muggles?
the council you're speaking would be 100% wizards with muggles having ornamental publicity positions somewhere down low

It's just too risky, if you try to conquer the kingdom but they have a trump card or if rival adventurers get opportunistic then you might get fucked completely
The kingdom being there for awhile means it's at least stable and siding with it usually means it will most likely take care of you when misfortune happens (hence the pension and land). I think it's worth the investment.

It will be like the Iranian republic. It will have election, elective institutions, constitution and all but the supreme wizard council will rule everything.

>level 100 wizard tries to rule
>bunch of level 60 wizards overthrow his ass
>make public wizard school system to maintain their power with a steady stream of talented apprentices
>now only 1% of people are not-magical
>society becomes a magical meritocracy

Yeah, sectarian rule is what happens when it isn't hereditary, or isn't MAINLY hereditary. All the gigachads get together and form a ruling council, then birth/adopt/kidnap promising students and teach them everything they know, eventually handing over their seat on the council. In the meantime, various layers of these potential successors form a pyramid of organizations and groups all the way down to normal mortals.

So it's somewhat democratic/egalitarian between the heads of various groups, but everyone is beholden to some master so cooperation and competition are limited to not rocking the boat hard enough to get the next tier up involved.

Interspresed with this are groups/individuals who don't give a fuck about the system and just kill and steal whoever and whatever they want, occasionally trading membership with the more organized side as the opportunity comes up for recruitment/betrayal.

that doesn't sound like a democracy to me
more like a theocracy
except wizards should be high INT so they wouldn't be half bad at ruling the country
provided they give enough fucks between their magical research and banging succubi in pocket dimension
>now only 1% of people are not-magical
almost never works like that in fantasy
never in high fantasy for sure and even in low fantasy there are extreme talents that are either go full megalomaniac or otherwise shape the politics in some subtle way
>last paragraph
very realistic