I couldn't imagine reading this monthly. Not because it's not entertaining throughout...

I couldn't imagine reading this monthly. Not because it's not entertaining throughout, but because it's a series that thrives on its long-form storytelling

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Japs will pay top dollar for anything he shits out and have been doing so for decades

I guess this is the kind of long running series that could only work if you're already an established writer

All manga is pretty much similar cancer. Just check rec list of must read manga. Look when titles were published. 5 years ongoing? 10? 18? 20? Everything ongoing forever. No point to even pick up new fresh manga. I know it will be ongoing at minimum for 5 years.

Long doesn't equal bad

Plus, a lot of people could have been buying it for his art and it's based on a story everyone in Japan knows.

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Reading currently running manga is great because you get to look forward to new chapters

It has its pros and cons. It can be good to discuss new chapters when they come out and really reflect on them, but it sucks when a chapter comes out and it doesn't really advance the story or contain content that interests you

I know you're a troll constantly posting this same thing but it doesn't even make sense. The majority of people would tell you that those long manga went to shit after a few years. Naruto, Bleach, One Piece all stopped being good many years before they ended and modern long-runners like Black Clover and BNHA stopped being good years ago too and will probably still last more years. The extremely long manga like Kochikame or Golgo 13 are more episodic, and for what it's worth, manga of that length are a thing of the past. There are no modern mangaka who would ever have the sort of work ethic of the legends from the past. If you were a fan of someone like Tezuka who took decades to make Phoenix and then never finished it, well, he was also producing dozens of other things every year that you could read to pass the time.

>I know you're a troll constantly posting this same thing but it doesn't even make sense
What are you talking about? Who? And how is this trolling. What am I trying to accomplish? I know about long running shoenens but even story heavy manga can run for decades. You will grow up, your hobbies will change, you can die but manga will be still ongoing. The story that can be told in one fat book will run for decades in manga. Yes this is pure cancer.

>The story that can be told in one fat book will run for decades in manga
Ever heard of pacing? Buraiden Gai was a 38 chapter manga that felt like it had enough potential to easily reach 100 chapters

>Ever heard of pacing
Tell me more about pacing. I just read Homunculus in 3 days. The manga was in ongoing for 8 years. Did I read in wrong pace? Should I read Homunculus in 8 years to feel the "pacing" of story?

So you prefer nothing be created over something? Why does it bother you so much? By this same standard, nobody should be allowed to make book series or movie sequels or television shows with more than one season, etc. You can die at any time and manga is very much aimed at all demographics in a way you can always enjoy it. You may simply drop Hajime no Ippo to read something else instead. Manga come out in anthology magazines which means you can be reading that magazine for multiple things and if something bores you suddenly, you can give it less attention. As the success of something like Kimetsu shows, a lot of people are only reading a manga after its over, the audience who does that and the one who reads it ongoing do not have to be the same.

Wasn't Vagabond weekly? In any case I don't care for weekly manga much. I dropped One Piece because I got annoyed following it weekly but I've since picked it back up. I mostly read monthly manga and it's mostly fine. Houseki no Kuni is the only one I have a problem with really but even that isn't completely terrible.

This is a pretty interesting non-complaint. I can see where you're coming from but in my experience the kinds of people that hate long running manga are the same ones that watch seasonal anime and so have just gotten used to stories that only last a couple months. It's all just a difference of perspective and like other anons are saying there's nothing inherently wrong with long running stories. Some manga do just drag on and on but most of the manga I'm reading I'm happy with their progression. 5 years for a monthly manga too is 60 chapters or less, which really isn't long even if it takes a long time in reality time for the story to complete. Reading that after it's done could be done in a few days probably.

Vagabond was in a weekly magazine, it was not weekly, it was like Hunter is today, coming back every now and then for a few chapters. Real, which also ran in a weekly magazine at the same time, did the exact same thing.

When magazines do that kind of thing it makes it difficult to figure out after the fact. I've never followed Vagabond (though I did read the first couple of volumes) so I wouldn't know. I did think the art was too good for being weekly though, even with what seems like short chapter lengths.

You can do that sort of stuff just with basic math if you didn't follow the manga. There's what, 325ish chapters of Vagabond? It ran in the magazine for nearly 20 years before going on its current hiatus. So logically, it would have had more like 850 chapters if it was produced weekly.

>Why does it bother you so much?
Such format limits the story in the same way how TV format of anime limits the story compared to 1 hours long OVA or movie. The story structure is limited. Every chapter supposed to end in some kind of cliffhanger. Squeeze cliffhangers. To make you want to read more and buy another toilet roll next week. You know it. It designed to keep this momentum going. To make money. It remind me of Japanese ADHD TV ads.

Why are you acting like this is a Japanese thing? Serializations have been a thing for ages in the West. It's not even true that every series has to end on some hyped cliffhanger, a lot of manga that do it are mocked. Serializations are in anthologies, which means, no specific series is supposed to be the only reason you buy the next issue. People who only like one manga just wait for the new volume to come out (One Piece fans for example).

>Why are you acting like this is a Japanese thing?
I don't care about west. Volumes of manga are pretty small itself.

Just get a new interest, you're a complete faggot. If you actually believed anything you said, you wouldn't read completed manga either because you objected to how they were created. They never could have been created unless they were done exactly in the way you hate.

DId Inoue Finish it? I remember buying this manga back in the mid 00's. Shit was fucking great but the constant hiatus made me lose interest.

Good discussion. I love Vagabond. One day I hope inoue reaches enlightenment or some shit and decides to finish

>If you actually believed anything you said, you wouldn't read completed manga either because you objected to how they were created.
What? No. This is weird conclusion. I just don't read ongoing series anymore. I burned out tracking all my manga and waiting for new chapters. I checked something I read 4 years ago and you know what? It's still ongoing. After all those years of reading ongoing I think I have concentration problems.

>Real (1999 – present)

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>The story structure is limited. Every chapter supposed to end in some kind of cliffhanger. Squeeze cliffhangers. To make you want to read more and buy another toilet roll next week. You know it.
That's almost entirely a sign of shitty-ass manga.

>TV format of anime limits the story compared to 1 hours long OVA or movie
Literally any designated format limits a story, not sure why you think "this story will be a continuous one-hour format" isn't a limit too. And a decent creator can make a story that will work with the format given to him.

Its not a big deal to follow Vagabond simply because its almost finished and we already know how it ends. Something like Real (by the same mangaka), HxH or Berserk is much more painful due to their hiatus. Or something like Kingdom because of its slow pacing. Or something like SnK since its monthly and the past few chapter suck.

The format you complain about (cliffhangers and stretching things out) still exists in completed form. The content is still cancerous. I will grant that ongoing scanlations are a totally different thing to follow than ongoing raws though. If everything was scanlated at the rate it was published, it would actually be a huge improvement (especially for weekly manga).

At least Kingdoms keeps releasing chapters every week

What if instead of weekly publishing some manga was released in omnibus format?

imagine reading a series that's not only older than you, but also your parents and almost grandparents.

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You mean scanlations? I think it'd be fine if they did batch uploads as long as they translated the chapters at a weekly pace (at bare minimum). Have you ever seen how long it takes manga to get scanlated? Rokudenashi Blues, one of the greatest manga of all time, was serialized for nine years at a weekly pace and only missed like two issues. The scanlation has been ongoing for 17 years and is just barely past the halfway point.

But my parents are older than that

I hope you're not implying this is older than your grandparents, what sort of degenerate life does your family lead? This isn't even older than my parents. My grandparents all predate post-war Japan and thus the manga industry.

I agree but One Piece is still Objectively great and most people agree and no mangaka has the work ethic Oda has. Where does this meme of it going bad come from? it's still better written than most other manga.

Oh, you're retarded. Ok.

my mom was born in 77 and had me in 98. guess I was way off with the grandparents, but still older than my mom and dad.

I sometimes forget that this board has people in their 30s and 40s. my apologies.

>fifty-two
>almost as old as your grandparents
The hell.

I'm 27 you faggot

I'm only three years older than you, user. You just have a relatively young mom.

The delay for this month is going to kill me.

which is true but quite ironic to post in a Vagabond thread
at least we wont be getting ANOTHER Falconia chapter.

Read more manga, find more manga creators. Oda will never be on a list of the mangaka with the most impressive output. The story has completely degraded after the timeskip and doesn't even have a real connection to the stuff many fans loved about the series. Lots of retcons and bending the story in terrible ways to maintain a stale formula. The only reason to stick around is wanting payoff for things that are literally decades old. A lot of the most exciting things for people about One Piece are literally dangling threads that have introduced decades ago and still nothing done with them, things that have been abandoned or theorizing about the future in far more grand ways than Oda will ever deliver. Even things people have waited for for decades have been crushed into dust before their eyes (Oda abandoning the Dragon plotline before it ever had any payoff). Manga have already come and gone while doing exactly what One Piece was originally supposed to do (see his best friend's manga, Toriko).