Was he completely incompetent except for being cautious to an autistic degree and having a strong stand...

>Despite being a loose soul and free to possess anyone
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>Could've just left it all alone
Literally the entire story was about gangsters showing moral and resolve. Bucciarati couldn't just let Trish die because he was legitimately a caring guy. He knew exactly what it meant to attack the boss, it was his resolve.

Even Narancia, who was objectively mentally not developed enough to make the decision decided to go help Trish because he showed empathy for Trish and her situation and identified with her. Fuck all that talk about drug dealers selling drugs to kids, it was mainly the act of trying to kill Trish that put everyone over the edge.

It was fucking hilarious how he thanked Trish for calling him a pussy.

Wasn't DIO more incompetent than him? He had even more advantages and Stand users at his disposal.

>decided to go help Trish because he showed empathy for Trish and her situation and identified with her.
He previously had zero interactions and opinions about her, Araki just had to make some shit up on the spot as usual. Heck the only one actually shown to wonder about her situation in the entire group was Fugo ironically.
> it was mainly the act of trying to kill Trish that put everyone over the edge.
Again, most of them have no opinion on her and they just followed cus they're loyal to Bruno, she's just a plot device, barely a character. If they were ''gangsters showing moral'' that should've been the focus from the beginning, but they seem pretty cushy about their mafia lives (as long as you don't commit the cardinal sin of selling drugs to kids).

>Dio
>Let's them go one or two at a time

lmfao wat

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Dio is extremely incompetent but he is not really much of a leader figure. Diavolo makes no sense though. He stated that he would find the betrayers and kill them but he has not reduced the numbers of the assassin team at all even though it was a legit possibility Bucciarati would fail and them getting Trish was legitimately dangerous for him. He didn't even send any of his elite guard to get them, it makes zero sense. It makes even less sense because Diavolo didn't expect Bucciarati to betray him.
Bucciarati's motives can not be doubted. He is the most developed character in the series. He had numerous flashbacks with all the other members and his entire childhood which showed that he was very compassionate. If you believe even a second it was bullshit that Bucciarati would go after Trish then you clearly didn't understand anything about his character. It was even shown numerous times that he directly felt emphatic to her and her situation and that he clearly didn't want her to be involved in any gangster business.
>Again, most of them have no opinion on her and they just followed cus they're loyal to Bruno
Except for Narancia this is true. Mista is the most loyal person in the series.

>He is the most developed character in the series. He had numerous flashbacks with all the other members and his entire childhood which showed that he was very compassionate.
His backstory made the most sense out of the gang, but it is not followed up well at all. Actually had a decent reason why he was kinda ''stuck in the system'' but if he was actually caring about people despite his situation he would not go on to randomly start recruiting people off the streets to join the mafia cus he wants to have his own group, how is that compassionate? You'd think he'd be secretly splitting his funds to help the locals or give these disillusioned kids jobs so they DON'T fall into the same path but he does none of that. Seems completely fine with protection rackets and whatever else kind of business they do. Also sometimes he hates all drugs and sometimes only when they're sold to kids, and there's no way he wouldn't know they were being sold as that was part of the business from the start according to Polnareff. It's all a mess and he's not a well developed character.

Him wanting to protect Trish is fine but the whole twist of Diavolo wanting to actually kill his daughter is pure nonsense constructed on the spot to artificially speed things up, has no bearing on anything previously established and turns their whole excursion into a one big troll move. If he was actually that paranoid he would never let some random thugs get near his locations let alone somehow '''accidentally''' leave Trish's cut hand with Bruno so he can freak out and pursue (how he is instantly certain that this is the Boss and not some remaining assassin is beyond me). He has his personal guard squad and Pericolo is apparently pretty trusting so if he wanted Trish dead from the beginning he could've gotten that done without a hitch, not to mention the ability to go wherever he wants via Doppio. The story is pure nonsense.

He doesn't recruit normal people, he recruits actual misfits who all feel they have no place in society. And they all become very happy after joining Bucciarati. They are also all special misfits to begin with since they all developed a stand trough Polpo's test.

This actually proves Bucciarati has a very good eye for special people since no person he ever recruited died because of Polpo's test. Bucciarati is legit a well explained character. Giorno is a complete mystery in comparision.

How Diavolo handled Trish is all bullshit though and the worst writing in the entire manga but I never even argued against this.

DIO was completely fucktarded but he had the charisma to pull his retarded plans off somehow. To his credit though, he knew the stand users he was sending after the crusaders were no match for them, he just sent them out to buy time so his neck would heal and he'd get powerful enough to take them himself, which would have worked if he didn't throw all caution out the window once he slurped on Joseph.

>which would have worked if he didn't throw all caution out the window once he slurped on Joseph.
His big cautious plan to ensure Jotaro is dead is to attempt to decapitate him with a street sign that at most gives him one extra meter of reach against a guy with a 5m range.

HE JUST PRIVACY MAN
THAT'S ALL

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>He doesn't recruit normal people, he recruits actual misfits who all feel they have no place in society.
So disillusioned people who are easy prey for mob recruitment. They are ''normal people'' in the sense that they're not already part of the criminal underworld. A supposed compassionate Bruno would not be ok with this shit, he wasn't even forced to recruit, that was of his own will. IF they already were in the gang and he just gathered them around him to be a ''lesser evil'' of sort that could also potentially work but that's not the case either.
>And they all become very happy after joining Bucciarati.
I mean, Araki ''has'' to portray it that way, but it doesn't make much sense. They seem to be totally fine with being criminals now just cus.
>They are also all special misfits to begin with since they all developed a stand trough Polpo's test.
They have stands because they need to have them so that Araki can have his little stand user assemblage, but actually looking at Polpo's test through Giorno's perspective we see that they couldn't possibly pass it because the only way he got the lighter out of the prison was by using his stand, which they wouldn't have from before. So that whole thing breaks apart.
>How Diavolo handled Trish is all bullshit though and the worst writing in the entire manga but I never even argued against this.
But the whole Trish situation literally dangles on that nonsense so it has to be brought up. If you make just one thing consistent about a character's action or personality this whole story collapses instantly.

Ye that was a genuine good move

Of course it's all how Araki wants it, he is the writer. He can do whatever he wants. And I don't argue against the countless holes in the story.

Bucciarati was never a saint, just a honorable gangster. And I find no flaws in any of his motives. He is the best character in Golden Wind and reasonably well written. The fact is that Bucciarati already doubted his boss before Diavolo took Trish and Diavolo took Trish in a way where he ripped her arm off. Not even the biggest retard would doubt at that point that the boss is extremely cruel.
>If you make just one thing consistent about a character's action or personality this whole story collapses instantly
Diavolo is consistently retarded though.

>Bucciarati was never a saint, just a honorable gangster.
But the ''honourable gangster'' persona is contradictory/inconsistent in the story, and it's not due to presented character flaws but bad writing. He's basically portrayed as a saint by the end which is even more ludicrous. I like the IDEA of the character but I don't think it was handled well at all, especially with a story that is just nonsense upon nonsense but somehow expects to be taken more seriously. Everything suffers because of that.
>The fact is that Bucciarati already doubted his boss before Diavolo took Trish
They(him and Giorno that is) were planning to betray/eliminate him from the beginning but only cus of kiddie drugs.
>Diavolo took Trish in a way where he ripped her arm off.
Which literally made NO sense even for JoJo standards. How characters react to such a forced action is irrelevant at that point.

>But the ''honourable gangster'' persona is contradictory/inconsistent in the story
How so? What has Bucciarati done that is contradictory to him being a honorable gangster?
>They(him and Giorno that is) were planning to betray/eliminate him from the beginning but only cus of kiddie drugs.
But they were willing to do it discretely by working themselves up. That's the difference. Once he saw how cruel the boss actually he is tried to immediately crush him.
>Which literally made NO sense even for JoJo standards
It was completely dumb by Diavolo but Diavolo also doesn't understand the concept of a honorable gangster. He probably didn't think that Bucciarati would care that much. The really dumb thing in that scene is that Bucciarati could have easily believed it was an enemy stand and it was logical for him to try to go after Trish. Araki is obviously dumb as shit though as he didn't think about it.

diavolo is my least favorite villain of all parts

>Mista gets pregnant
Why though?

>How so? What has Bucciarati done that is contradictory to him being a honorable gangster?
I already explained some of it here
What exactly does he do to warrant being a ''honourable gangster'' beside not liking drugs being sold to kids and trying to protect Trish from the Boss(in a very forced scene)? The show wants to make you believe he's a good guy but he doesn't generally seem conflicted at all about the criminal organization he's a part or poor misfits being absorbed into it. I mean Passione in itself is barely touched upon as an organization anyway so that doesn't help. The characters just switch gears as it suits Araki in the moment.
>But they were willing to do it discretely by working themselves up.
But the goal is the same. And that never went anywhere anyway, Bruno becoming capo was completely irrelevant cus Polpo would've given him that delivery job anyway. Not like ''working your way up'' means anything when not even the highest ranking members ever get to directly interact with Diavolo so it's just another dead end.
>Once he saw how cruel the boss actually he is tried to immediately crush him.
Yes, because Araki realized how stupid the setup of ''ranking up towards a figure without an identity'' was and decided to make it stupider by suddenly making Diavolo want to kill Trish in a ''shocking twist'' that ONLY serves to force Bruno to retaliate immediately, that does not suddenly make him a ''honourable gangster'', the character has no choice but to attack. And Diavolo deciding to kill Trish in that elevator should've STILL by all means played out in a way that Bruno would never notice, the severed hand being left with him is simply beyond illogical. Araki constantly wants to have his cake and eat it too.

He was very competent at running the gang for 15 years. The only reason why he lost is because it's a story for kids and the good guys always have to win even when it makes no sense.

>What exactly does he do to warrant being a ''honourable gangster'' beside not liking drugs being sold to kids and trying to protect Trish from the Boss
Aside from literally the entire town loving him for helping everyone that comes to him? Nothing you say makes sense. He is literally a criminal that is a good person, him being a criminal doesn't contradict him being a good person and being a good person doesn't contradict that he is a criminal. He tries to do good in his realm and situation, that's all it is.
>But the goal is the same. And that never went anywhere anyway
That's speaking from the perspective of the viewer. For the characters it's perfectly logical to act like they do. What is and what isn't pointless from a story telling perspective doesn't matter to the motivations of the characters. You arguments are all over the place focusing on characters, story, premise, writing even when talking about a single aspect of the entire story.
>Bruno to retaliate immediately, that does not suddenly make him a ''honourable gangster'', the character has no choice but to attack
No, by all means he doesn't need to attack because he figured out it was the boss. He was willing to take the consequences of attacking the boss to safe trish, if that is not honorable to you then I don't know what is. And again, it's irrelevant how the story went, how irrational and fucked Diavolo acted or how bad the writing is. Nothing contradicts Bucciarati being a honorable gangster.