~YOU ARE MY FRIEND!!!!~

why not both?

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Neither. Just dumb as fuck
>Casca plus everybody and their dog: Whoa, Griffith sure loves this Guts guy, what the fuck happened?
>Guts: I'm sure Griffith doesn't even see me, I have to go on a journey to become his equal and a true friend

>I have to go on a journey to become his equal and a TRUE friend
correct.
did you completely forget about the fountain speech?

The one where Griffith was just trying to bullshit both the princess and himself? It was pretty much just mental gymnastics to avoid muh feelings.

>that's right, I call the most imperative and famous speech from a series bullshit when it doesn't fit my narrative!

Guts: thanks for taking care of me when i needed it the most and thanks for your help, i wish you and all your comrades all the best. it was a honor to fight beside you guys, but i have to go my own way now

Griffit: NOOOOOOOOO REEE NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST LEAVEEE I OWN YOU REEEEEEEEE IM GONNA GO FUCK UP MY WHOLE LIFE NOW

The only thing Griffith truly cared about was Muh Castle.
Griffith doesn't seem to understand what a friend means when he was talking about it. A friend doesn't let his friend almost get killed while assassinating an innocent child so you could flirt with the princess.

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did griffith realaly think he could take on guts?
such hubris

Even if that were true why would you think Guts wouldn't take that speech at face value?

Guts left the band because he realises that Griffith never cared about him or something else.

Why did he leave Casca?

what do you mean?
Casca and guts only really got together after they reunited.
before that she was just a comrade, on the same level as Judeau.

It's almost like denial and hiding your true feelings is a key theme of Berserk and specifically Griffith's trauma. We know that Griffith cares deeply about all of the Hawks and especially Guts, his speech was pure bullshit. How can you read a series begging to by critically analyzed but refuse to look at what the characters are saying?
That's also the point of the speech, it serves to drive the knife in further for both of their emotional turmoil. They both want each other desperately, but are hiding behind a wall of trauma

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That's just not true, Guts knows Griffith cares about all of his soldiers, but Guts wants Griffith to care about him on a different level.

they unly reunied because of Griffith, and clearly Guts cared for hear before he left.

if Griffith didn't go full retard they would never met again

btw is have severe dyslexia to dont call me out on my typos

I was about to say, user.

>denial and hiding your true feelings is a key theme of Berserk
it really isn't. Sensing some major projection.
>We know that Griffith cares deeply about all of the Hawks
hence his lack of hesitation (all he needed was a slight nudge and a reminder of muh dream by the godhand) to sacrifice them all. He says that he feels no guilt for any of his comrades who die in battle because it was their choice to follow him. This talking point is repeated over and over
>but refuse to look at what the characters are saying?
that's what you're doing.
>but are hiding behind a wall of trauma
we know next to nothing about griffith's past.

you're just drunk. aren't you?

BROTHER
MY BROTHER
TELL ME, WHAT ARE WE FIGHTIN' FOR?
WE'VE GOT TO END THIS WAR!

user I'm trying to be nice and helpful but reading your posts makes me want to slam my head against a wall. It's so frustrating that my favorite piece of media ever is riddled with people who just straight up dont get it. Let's try doing this step by step, maybe I can help you see the depth of Griffith as a character.
>it really isn't
It really is. Please go back and read specifically the scene in which Griffith bathes, it's very clear while hes literally self harming over the immense guilt he feels that hes denying his true feelings. This is the entire point of this scene, to emphasize that Griffith is building emotional walls to, as casca says, "make himself strong". If you need more evidence of denying feelings, please reread the scene where Griffith asks if Guts thinks he's cruel, and reread the scene where Godo accuses Guts of abandoning Casca. I think you'll have a better understanding of this core theme after reading those.
>hence his lack of hesitation
There was no lack of hesitation, in fact, the entire eclipse only serves to solidify my point. Griffith being unable to pursue the Crown made him want to kill himself, it was only when Guts reignited the feelings he had buried so long ago that he wanted to sacrifice them. Griffith sacrificed the BotH to get rid of the horrible feelings he has, the sensation of heartbreak and abandonment.
>that's what you're doing.
Once again, you really need to go reread some of these scenes. I feel like you need a tutorial on meta analysis, maybe you should go read someones analysis of those scenes to help you formulate your own.
>we know next to nothing about griffith's past.
That's also not true, the important parts, the defining moments of Griffiths past are show to us by miura, for the explicit purpose of adding depth to Griffith's character. How can you look at a scene like pic related and honestly think "that guy doesnt care about his troops at all!"?

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>That's also not true
you're being dishonest, and this is all I need to point to.
Nothing you said above that sounds too wrong, but you're taking pieces of truth from the series and essentially overextending them to fit your narrative. I would never call denial and hiding your true feelings a MAJOR theme of berserk. Characters for the most part are very clear cut in what they say and due. Griffith isn't a liar and neither is guts.
you have a major case of apophenia and what you typed out sounds like it came from an undergrad english dunce
>I feel like you need a tutorial on meta analysis
I feel like you need to be honest with yourself and stop narrowing in on a single theme.

fuckin kek user, somehow i have never seen this edit

user I dont know what to tell you, you're literally just pulling out buzzwords and throwing them around without any supporting statements. If I sound like an english undergrad, you sound like a high school drop out who took a debate elective once.
If a particular theme leads directly to the most significant event in the entire story (Griffith and Guts denying their feelings leading to the Eclipse) how can it not be a main theme? I'm literally showing you the answers, I'm literally grabbing the manag panels and rubbing your nose in it like a dog but you still can't figure it out. If you have ANY points supporting your statements I'd love to hear it, but otherwise you're completely hopeless.
>dont worry though Griffith didnt give a fuck about that little boy he just slept with the gross pedo man because he wanted to

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>you sound like a high school drop out who took a debate elective once.
Jesus user you're fucking killing him

When the night meets the dawn
One will stand, one will fall
Broken I can't go on
An act of despair is what I seek

because I'm going to bed and don't want to further engage with a dyslexic raging autist. I'm not going to write an essay for you.
>If a particular theme leads directly to the most significant event in the entire story (Griffith and Guts denying their feelings leading to the Eclipse)
you really think denial and hiding your feelings is a better theme than maybe "desire for power and control" to describe what led to the eclipse? Nobody was hiding their feelings in the pivotal duel; guts wanted to forge his own path and prove himself to griffith, and griffith wanted absolute control over his pawn. You'll say that "oh gosh jolee, if they were just HONEST with each other they would continue to be the bestest of bros!" But it's never as simple as that, that would be betraying their core characteristics.
You have 5% of the equation correct buddy, maybe start looking at the other 95%

You're actually just dumb user, how can anyone read berserk and think that the sacrifice was about power, or that Griffith wanted to duel Guts to keep a pawn? Griffith obviously cares about Guts on a much higher level than that, I really feel bad for you if you cant understand the simple things you read.

Go to bed user, maybe you being fucking retarded can be solved with a decent night's sleep.

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>that the sacrifice was about power
yes
>Griffith wanted to duel Guts to keep a pawn
yes
>Griffith obviously cares about Guts on a much higher level than that
you're misinterpreting again because I didn't write out a fully fleshed essay. That's a fucking strawman and anybody would be a moron to think Griffith didn't care about Guts

5% of the equation. Look at the other 95%. still not a major theme.

Griffith already announced that he doesnt think of Guts as a pawn when he asked him if he thinks hes cruel, and again when hes locked up in a jail cell and actively proclaims how much he cares about Guts
You're missing the equation here bucko, because you're speed reading. Slow down, chew your food, reread the golden age when you wake up. Stupid faggot c:

>>that the sacrifice was about power
>yes
Come on user even I know that's not true

Would you say, on a boner level? ;)

Oh absolutely

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>That's also not true, the important parts, the defining moments of Griffiths past are show to us by miura, for the explicit purpose of adding depth to Griffith's character.
Alright will do, but first you have to admit you're a dishonest nigger. Can't take anyone seriously who thinks we actually have significant information on Griffith's past.
>for the explicit purpose of adding depth to Griffith's character.
that's kind of why anybody would include any bit of information in a story. To add depth. Retard

0w0 inappropriate.

ah. Dealing with a mental tranny. got it.

>Can't take anyone seriously who thinks we actually have significant information on Griffith's past
We do, we have two important pieces. I didnt say we have everything, but the two pieces that we have are very important. You're literally seething so hard you cant even read my posts anymore, clearly someone needs a little nap.
>that's kind of why anybody would include any bit of information in a story.
So you can acknowledge that these parts add depth, but you cant figure out what the depth is? I wonder what your normal life is like, if you're this dense all the time.

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A lil bit lewd...
Dilate

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You have a very interesting way of typing a lot but saying absolutely nothing of substance. G'night tranny. Can see why
>denial and hiding your true feelings
is such an important theme to you, so much so that you ignore every single other theme in Berserk and make it out to be the sole driving force of the story.

Yas Forumsnons of Berserk. If you were a bishonen like Griffith, would you whore your self to lascivious old perverts who would shower you with immense wealth?

Lmfao

Good night incel, maybe you'll get it in the future. I believe in you, I know you can use those few brain cells you have left.
>sole driving force of the story.
It's almost like the two main characters are the driving force of the story. Who wouldve thought?

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>repeatedly shown griffith bullshitting himself to get over trauma to the point even semi-retarded casca picks up on it
>yes but when he bullshitted in front of a rich princess at a banquet it was what he truly meant

>No, we can't believe what any of the characters have to say when they're having a private conversation (without knowledge of others easedropping), there is always a second layer of veiled meaning
>if we take what they have to say at face value, then it'll be more difficult to force Berserk into my homo-erotic narrative
Guts and Griffith are gay for each other, right?

Griffith's inability to find any reasonable balance between his public "commander" persona and his feelings is a key part of his character. It's pretty much the point of Casca's flashback for example, which shows him denying any stress/guilt while literally tearing himself apart. She outright tells you that for all his efforts to desire to be some strong, unflappable superhuman, he's not and can't be.

*efforts and desire

ask yourself why griffith, a guy known for never showing his true emotions around anyone (except guts) would pour his heart out in front of some girl that he has no interest in beyond using her for his political ambitions.

because he knew that Casca wanted Griffith, and he also supported them, a real Bro, he also wanted to show Casca that he was not inferior to Griffith, but the main reason was the same that he was looking for in gambino , a recognition (father, friend, love) that he never had

Give it a shot. It's weird sounding but I really like it. Definitely isn't the typical anime OP.

Griffith is very gay for Guts desu

you think Griffith thought his speech about his dream was a major key in winning the princess' heart? Didn't he also say that he didn't know why he was even sharing that with the princess? At some point you have to actually believe what the characters are saying user. Otherwise you're literally just creating headcanon and anything that a character says which doesn't agree with your headcanon can be dismissed and explained away. Can you see the faulty reasoning with your thinking here?