Ao no Flag thread

hint
that's not Taichi signing the guest list here

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I don’t really get what you’re trying to say I’m supposed to get that I didn’t get on a first read.
Obviously I don’t care about a gay romance, if I did I would have dropped this early on when it was clear where things were going.
We know Touma and Taichi like each other, however skipping the development of their relationship to simply “they are together now” is stupid, you can “read between the lines” all you want, we were given no hints Taichi might have been gay, if anything one could argue his rejection process was part of a denial process, but I can justify anything if I really want to, show Taichi figuring out his feelings, don’t just say “they figured it out somehow offscreen.”

Ye

The obvious conclusion is that she’s bi, I’ve seen some people trying to say he’s her beard, but she’s clearly openly bi if you read properly.

Wow, I missed this part, damn so Touma is the bitch in the marriage LMAO

The guy is basically pinning from him through 10-15 years so he’s obviously the bitch dude

>Ending gets more reactions than the whole manga combined
Really makes you think.

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I think the conclusion is more that she repressed her homosexuality and is dating a futaba clone but male.

I’m glad Musumi decided cock is better cause now I can write erotica about her without feeling like I’m betraying canon.

TOUMA
CANONICALLY
SUCKED
TAICHI'S
COCK

Is this so surprising when you get an ending like that?

yes

Her head looks so disproportionate.

I feel sorry for the guy
they clearly have a sexless unhappy marriage with her shitting all over him for the pettiest reasons

>Ao no fag
>It was actually Ao YES fag

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Her husband is the real self-insert. I wish I was him.

It also seems like the relationship between Taichi and Futaba wasn't exactly just love. Maybe they saw themselves in each other, and that the relationship worked to an extent because both of them got courage from seeing each other succeed or flourish in one way or another. And both of them, undeniably, look up to Touma a lot.

The theme of what others think of me, what kind of societal role molds me, what expectations there are of me, what kind of a person I want to be are frequent in the manga. This weighs heavy on everyone's shoulders. Part of the story is about becoming free from those societal expectations and letting go, even if it's not now, then eventually.

In chapter 53, Taichi seems to realize something. What it is, we don't exactly know. It's certainly implied that it has something to do with the nature of Taichi's and Futaba's relationship.

I feel like Futaba and Taichi are similar characters who both have similar issues and even fancy the same person. For Taichi, I think he might be confused as to whether his admiration and feelings for Touma are just platonic or not. A lot of people can be confused whether I want to be the person I admire, or I want to be WITH the person I admire, and not just platonically. It makes sense that he would confuse these concepts together, and think friendship is enough, when it actually might not be.

But all this is speculation, boviously.

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tl;dr

When you think about it, you remember that she spent all of her time trying to date guys. She had feelings for Futaba, obviously. But on the other hand Touma had feelings for Taichi and as far as we know never even pretended to date a girl as a cover. And they were spending less time together than Masumi and Futaba by the beginning of the story, so it's not like it would take time away from Taichi if he dated like when Masumi had to spend time away from Futaba when she was dating. Her arc seems at first to be about that all her dates just being simple fake outs to protect her cover and her coming to terms with her feelings for Futaba, but now in retrospect her serial dating and intense considerations about the relationships between men and women seem different. Maybe it's more towards her working out her feelings about what she liked about Futaba and what she didn't like about the men she ended up dating, not necessarily that she only liked women and didn't like anything about men.

Mitsuyuki opening up to Touma also seems to imply something similar happened in reverse for Taichi. He's talking about how Touma deals with similar feelings and we can presume there's some sort vague area where Touma might feel jealous, and indeed he seems to say he does, that Taichi could feel differently about men and women even though he's in a relationship with Touma. Taichi spends the whole story mostly feeling strongly about pursuing Futaba, but then he ends up with Touma. Nor did he ever seen to think about any other men at all. So it'd be easy to see Touma feeling anxious about Taichi's preferences like Mitsuyuki would with Masumi.

You can see through the dialogue that her husband knows she is also attracted to women, furthermore Touma straight up tells the guy she chose him.
Essentially the author was claiming she couldn’t fall in love with anyone else because she was always obsessed with Futaba, her getting with a guy is supposed to say it doesn’t matter who she marries, she’s managed to move on and find happiness. Furthemore the message of the author is that through their choices, be them inconsistent or stupid, everyone managed to find happiness, it wouldn’t fit with that for Musumi to be the only one miserable suppressing her feelings.

You think Taichi licked his asshole before pounding the shit out of Touma?

In the end, it's released in a shounen magazine, so to expect the author to be able to clearly write and draw gay romance is completely ridiculous. If you disapprove, take it up with the breeders running the magazine.

It’s meant to be silly banter, but as we’ve made clear the author is shit at writing.

The ending went full korrasami

Fuck you improved it, I have lost the pun war

isnt the lesbian's husband trans

>But seriously, anyone liked the ending?
Yes, because the author had the balls to pull off a homo ending and also because Touma is a great guy that deserved to be happy.

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only a theory so far

Nigga, it’s the author’s fault for writing a gay romance in a magazine that won’t allow that.
But also I call complete bullshit on that, the author wanted to write the story like this, there was no editorial censoring him, this is clearly his vision, and his vision is shit.

People keep pulling up pages and panels to prove that Taichi's reactions to Touma were suspect if he did just see him as 'just a friend.' I agree, I saw the same panels and though the same thing as well.

Problem is that not enough. Taichi never once questioned anything nor did we get to see his internalized struggle with his feelings for Touma. When Futaba mentioned that Taichi was considering Touma's confession I remember how surprised I was.

All we have seen is him, literally, just saw him be immersed around a lot of people talking which led him to make one of the most selfish decisions of all time: to have his cake and eat it, too. How? By being still being with his girlfriend all while having the bff who loves him nearby. That was not fair to Touma, at all.

It reminds me of Usagi Drop's disaster ending where a 50 year old man decided that he was ok with having sex with a teen girl that he had raised and saw as his own daughter. Without focusing on the character's journey into making this decision it just feels like it comes out of left field and no build up to it. All that time they spent on Musumi could have been devoted to the MC questioning/struggling with his sexuality or his feelings for Touma.

The ending, while great, doesn't really feel earned.

I mean it's not like the romance is good and sure the author had balls, but it's not like many authors get to have "balls" in the first place even they want it.

What the fuck, not all, there’s nothing to hunt at that, what theory?

>But also I call complete bullshit on that, the author wanted to write the story like this, there was no editorial censoring him, this is clearly his vision, and his vision is shit.

prove it

Such a shitty old cliche and the retard author still had to do it.
>Uhh she's clearly bi
Bitch, that's my whole fucking point, lesbians ending up with men has been done so many times before and it's always been retarded and tasteless.

>idiots still crying and screaming after multiple threads thoroughly obliterating their alleged points

>That was not fair to Touma, at all.
I mean, Taichi was at that point completely straight. Not like anyone could suspected he could have started to like dicks.

If people are sexually incompatible because their orientation is different, they just are and there is nothing anyone can do.

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>I mean, Taichi was at that point completely straight
we don't know this, the only thing that is more or less confirmed is that Touma is gay, nobody else's sexual orientation has ever been clarified

Retarded nip theory

Balls? Yaoi is one of the most prolific genres in Japan, he doesn’t get a medal just for writing it in a different genre magazine, the story still has to be good, and it was essentially “no I’m not gay” for 52 chapters then time skip “guess I’m gay” write that fucking journey
“Hurr durr my fav character got happy ending so it doesn’t matter that the story is shit Hurr durr”
No has an issue with Touma being happy, we are angry at the ass pull.

People have had suspicions that Taichi might not be totally straight for ages. Frankly, the main shield against speculation running rampant was the fact that this was running in a Jump imprint. Nobody expected it to actually happen.

>Has a girlfriend
>Reject his gay bro who is also is bff
OK

>Yaoi is one of the most prolific genres in Japan, he doesn’t get a medal just for writing it in a different genre magazine,
The manga isn't BL. Also if this was BL the story would have been completely different. Honestly I'm not sure I but the whole "editors" thing anyway.

>I mean, Taichi was at that point completely straight. Not like anyone could suspected he could have started to like dicks.
I'm genuinely curious if people actually think this or are just memeing because they hate the ending.
He rejected him because he was already in a relationship with Futaba and still had not processed his feelings for Touma. Hell his rejection wasn't even that much of a rejection, he said he was in love with Futaba sure but he never said he wasn't actually into Touma either.

Let it go user, it's too hard for them to grasp that.

lol keep crying fag

>Taichi was at that point completely straight
Even his gf believed he was a total fag

READ nigga

Did Japan ever write a decent "well, I guess I may be bi" character? Utena?

No

How many even exist as significant characters outside explicitly gay-themed material?

There are tons of Seinen and Shounen with lesbians and gay characters, obviously they aren’t the focus because because there exist Yaoi and Yuri successful magazines for whoever wants to consume that.
Read anything by this author such as the Lacrosse story and you can see his fingerprints all over it.
Furthermore he never shied away from gayness throughout the story, in fact he would have had to pitch it like this, and would’ve gotten a greenlight.
There’s nothing that even hints this isn’t the story he wanted to tell exactly as he wanted it, you’re just trying to rationalize the mediocrity by claiming that.
“Oooh it’s bad because they wouldn’t let him write it the way he wanted to.”
Shut up.

The west never did either. And the reason is because straight people hate it if a character's sexuality isn't actually obvious, you'll never be able to make one that satisfy them unless it's basically spelled out from the start.

Shinji
Shino from IBO
Tamamori (Granted, it's BL, but still)
Most Ikuhara stuff.

>Balls? Yaoi is one of the most prolific genres in Japan,
Except that Ao no flag isn't Yaoi except for the last chapter. The main character was in a het romance for most of the manga so the fanbase of the manga wasn't the yaoi fanbase. It does take balls for pulling out a homo ending when all your manga, your main character was clearly only interested in girls and even had a girlfriend without clear hints of yaoi.

You replied to your win reply.
Also lesbian BTFO’D ya love to see it.

When is the last volume coming out?

>There are tons of Seinen and Shounen with lesbians and gay characters
name three that aren't joke characters, that aren't side characters and who actually are shown in a happy romantic relationship with the same sex
just three, go ahead, especially gay male ones

>haha there are like a hundred arguments against what you’re saying bro, there isn’t even a point to you saying it haha
>what? Name one? Haha oh no bro that would just be a waste of time because of how many there are, believe me bro haha Just too many!

>Except that Ao no flag isn't Yaoi except for the last chapter.
The last chapter isn't a Yaoi either. Do people know what a yaoi is?

If Ao no Flag was a BL manga it would be completely different, there would be no Futaba, 90% of the cast would be gone, Taichi's personality would be completely different and they would have fucked and confessed by chapter 5.

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He was repelled by hints of gay Touma early on, he was written as pretty straight, but we are meant to claim in hindsight he was in deep, deep, denial.

Ignore

Wait, what? It came out and I saw no initial reaction? If this is not the first thread, could you give me a link to it?

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Who are you quoting?

There were 3 threads before this, check the archive

>Shinji
No straight person thinks he's bi, hell a lot of them barely believe kaworu is gay
>Shino from IBO
Again no straight person thinks he's bi and again some even don't believe Yamagi is actually gay.
>Tamamori
Haven't seen it but I'd say BL is probably too niche to count
>Ikuhara stuff
I guess, although Ikuhara settings usually don't even account for homophobia being a thing

>in the end, we truly Ao no Fag
>the real adventure was the fags you fucked along the way

I don't think anyone has claimed he was in deep denial though. That isn't necessary.

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>It takes ball to waste over fifty months of people’s life leading up to something only to go with something completely different with build up
LMFAO I bet you’re a fan of the Last Jedi

she's gay though, not bi

>Again no straight person thinks he's bi and again some even don't believe Yamagi is actually gay.
? It literally got confirmed by the author.

Also straight dudes who deny homo stuff always exist. You can't really use them as a baseline for anything, because they would even deny the most CLAMP explicit gay pairing.

Yasu is canonically both into men and women.

>I guess, although Ikuhara settings usually don't even account for homophobia being a thing
Both Sarazanmai and Bears had commentary on it.

...

Sailor Moon
Blooded Orphans
Mirai Nikki
Neon Genesis Evangelion
No.6
Tiger and Bunny
Also it doesn’t count because he’s comedic but Bon-chan in One Piece is the greatest homosexual character in anime history
No no back to you corner and cope.

Eh, it might be just my own reading of it but it always felt like Jessica was the one Yasu loved the least, hence Kanon losing the Love Trial