The editor was the real author all along

>The editor was the real author all along
is there any sauce for this?

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>>The editor was the real author all along
Why would you say this?

>Getting defensive
I actually dislike the series. I just want to know why is this rumor so strong.
Well it's not literally that, but there are lots of people saying the editor is responsible for the good parts of the manga

There's an interview of an editor where he lists some of the changes from what Kishi originally intended, and they ended up being the best parts of Naruto.

Found it. Also Kishi is the interviewee, not an editor.
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>Here’s the other changes suggested by the editor that were listed in the tweet:
>Cutting out a ton of exposition.
>Putting in Sasuke.
>Making the Wave Country arc (with Zabuza/Haku).
>Stopping him from making the hokage and teachers animals.
>Having all the characters take the Chunin Exam all at once.
>The models for Rock Lee and the other Chunin Exam characters.
>Turning Naruto from a fox into a human.
>Changing Zabuza’s partner Haku from a bear into a human.
>Giving the protagonist narrow eyes and the rival wider eyes.
>Having him make the names of jutsu consistent for worlbuilding’s sake, rather than random and all over the place.

no u

jesuschrist thank god he had that editor

>is to thank for fucking Land of Waves and Chunin Exam arcs
>made Sasuke
Kishimoto would have been no one without him and leaving just before Itachi's death and sloppy retcon and the ending to Invasion of Pain says the worst.

>leaving just before Itachi's death and sloppy retcon and the ending to Invasion of Pain says the worst.
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The original editor quit before it.

holy shit that explains a lot.

What's with all the animal shit? Was he trying to make a furry anime?

>is there any sauce for this?
Yes, there he is

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He made some good changes but no Kishsimoto is the author.
Kishimoto accepted those changes and made them work
Now you're just trynna push a stupid narrative

The editor is responsible for some of the best things in naruto if it wasn’t for him naruto would’ve been a failure

Naruto was going to be about a magical talking fox that turns into a human. Check the pilot

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The editor kept Kishi under control but also lead to the Uchihawank

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>Phew, that’s a ton of things in the series that we’ve taken for granted, all of which were suggested by the editor. It goes to show that while an author/artist may have the passion and skill to create something awesome, it’s always good for them to be reigned in and tempered by a separate, critical eye.

Of course , every series has an editor and it's thier job to help authors but that shouldn't be used as an excuse to discredit kishimoto

he also was responsible for Sasuke wank, Sakura, and he stopped kishimoto from making more adventure arcs like land of the waves. It isn't all good.

>He made some good changes
>some
If it wasn't for those multiple changes Naruto would have been shit.
And I mean shit from the begining

Ah yes Kishi truly is a genius who doesn't need any editor, that's why samurai 8 was so good.

Woah. Kishi owns like 20% of his own series.

so the editor is responsible for all the edgy horseshit that made narutards insufferable?

>>Cutting out a ton of exposition
The only bad thing. To this day is still don't know how the Naruto world works.

>The interview that destroyed Kishimoto's reputation.

And Kishimoto gave Sakura the most fucking "attention" *coof*3 years of just learning to punch hard and heal*coof* even though the entire fucking audience of girls hated her and he didn't know how to write female characters either.

They don't keep the same editor though.

land of waves isn't a good arc. it's only interesting because it's unlike every other naruto arc in terms of focus and naruto itself sucks ass. zabuza loses hardcore to multiple asspulls, "I suddenly have feelings after an entire life of being a psychopath because this 10 year old boy said I should for 5 minutes" is horseshit, and the entire aspects with samurai and crimelords being a thing is completely at odds with the entire rest of the manga and never get mentioned again. it's laughable to think that, given how powerful everyone is revealed to be in this series as soon as the arc right after, that some thugs with swords could prevent people from making a bridge
zabuka and haku are cool and it let people think that naruto is cool and edgy and not like all the other cartoons on tv MOM. but it's not good

Narutard detected.

>calling Land of Waves and Chunin Exam bad or "edgy" when they did great worldbuilding and time for other characters

I love Kishimoto , but this is a rediculously stupid take.
Having said that , i think Naruto would still be just as good if it had skipped the Land of waves arc.

So most of you're argument is that the rest of the manga doesn't do a good job building upon the content of the land of waves arc, therefore the land of waves arc sucks.

>I suddenly have feelings after an entire life of being a psychopath because this 10 year old boy said I should for 5 minutes
you realize this is not the only time it happens, right?

Anyhow this is a rediculous thing to argue anyway , no one knows how any series would have turned out without it's editor.

It's the editor job to keep the author in check , and that shouldn't be used to discredit Kishimoto , no one knows how many stupid ideas the editor had that Kishimoto shut down and the editor surely isn't responsable for the art that was a major strong point for Naruto.

I mena if the editor is such genius why doesn't he make his own manga ?

Why wouldn't thugs with swords be enough to stop people from making a bridge? It's ninja's who are op not regular people. Why are samurai and crimelords at odds with the manga? What does it conflict with, we even get shown there is a underground black market for ninja bodies later on. Zabuza's talk no jutsu was the only good one in the series, it worked as a twist and made sense that he could have over time developed companionship and opened up when he saw death coming.

Is this sarcasm or are you a functional retard?

Pain arc > akatsuke suppression arc > land of waves arc.

You can find Kishimoto's original oneshot starring furries.

it's not just with Naruto, it's not just with manga,
not only in Japan... book authors here in the west also have a lot of help from editors
but no, the "real" author is Kishimoto, that's just wanting to denigrate the authors

>no one knows how any series would have turned out without it's editor.

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>remove the actual training we see along with any slight believability of Naruto and Sasuke becoming rivals and friends

>It's ninja's who are op not regular people.
ninjas aren't the x-men, later on in the series we have full on mass battles of ninjas fighting eachother in the thousands, and multiple flashbacks to how exactly that had happened many times before. there are tons of fucking ninjas everywhere and they are all insanely overpowered

THIS

I never said the rest of the manga didn't have other good arcs, but I think from the arcs that you mentioned land of waves arc is the only one that had an ending that I liked.

It's true, Narutard turned even more into shit after he got more successful and thus more free.
At the first chapters you can read his comments:
>my editor made me change Kakashi
>my editor made me add Sasuke
Literally everything good from naruto comes from his editor.
Kishimoto is a pedophile and furfag

>Hurr durr muh Samurai 8
Kishi should have gotten a competent artist.

>that's just wanting to denigrate the authors
The series is shit enough to shit on it. With or without editor.

>zabuza loses hardcore to multiple asspulls, "I suddenly have feelings after an entire life of being a psychopath because this 10 year old boy said I should for 5 minutes" is horseshit
It's not because of Naruto. It's because Haku died, idiot.
>and the entire aspects with samurai and crimelords being a thing is completely at odds with the entire rest of the manga and never get mentioned again.
Uhm yeah it does, idiot. Sasuke encounters both Samurais and crimelords on his various adventures. Naruto doesn't though.
>it's laughable to think that, given how powerful everyone is revealed to be in this series as soon as the arc right after, that some thugs with swords could prevent people from making a bridge
I wonder why they hired Shinobi from Konoha? Could it be that Shinobi are overpowered and can kill those thugs? No no.. they hired the Shinobi for funsies...
>zabuka and haku are cool and it let people think that naruto is cool
Naruto as a whole sucks but the Land of Waves arc was good

>zabuza loses hardcore to multiple asspulls, "I suddenly have feelings after an entire life of being a psychopath because this 10 year old boy said I should for 5 minutes" is horseshit
explain how it's an asspull for a human to have feelings or shut the fuck up

The akatsuki suppression arc eneding is pretty satisfactory.
But i agree land of waves definitely has one of the best endings.

Sure man. That would have completely saved the series.

What even is the name of this famous editor?

l liked the shikamaru part, but the Naruto coming to a fight that he had no real business being a part of, just to use his new technique to beat Kakuzu rubbed me the wrong way.

And he should have gotten an editor too , every author needs an editor.

But the art is definitely a bigger issue , at least with a better artist it would've been readable.

it was this same editor who said to add Sakura...

ok tell me how there can be daimyos and kage and samurai at the same time? why were there three ninja world wars if no one would gain any land or money from it? no village ever conquered another village. even those who don't have a kage like amegakure just got dragged into a war for no reason.

Yes. Also, Kishimoto should have gotten a better writer too.

your opinion on the material doesn't matter
there is no denying that it's a worldwide success

Why do you allow him to live in your head rent free ?

I remember being confused about the feudal lords. Kishi suddendly throws it up to screen and says "ok so here are these non ninja characters who have influence in the world. For some reason. Ninjas have to protect them because they are important. Somehow."

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Fairy tail and bleach are gloval successful too.

>mimimi what pulled Naruto up were the editors
>mimimi what sank Bleach were the editors
what the fuck? what's the problem with / a /?

>pain arc good
You are a fucking retard. I will even break it down for you why the pain arc is godawful.
>akatsuki was created to gather the bijuus
>they did this to later threaten the world with WMDs and threaten worldwide peace
>but it turns out pain by himself can just teleport into a village instantly and kill everyone all by himself, making the rest of the organization completely redundant because they didn't even need the bijuus
>naruto masters sage mode in a week, one of the hardest techniques in the setting that nobody has ever fully mastered, but he does it no problem just cause
>hinata jumps out and does nothing but serve as a convenient excuse for naruto to sperg out and unleash the kyuubi
>o my secret layer to the kyuubi seal that lets me talk to my dead dad and reverse the consequences of me breaking the seal
>"the world sucks and thats why I do the things I do, how the fuck will you solve this, Naruto?"
>"believe it lol"
>"I am convinced, I'll now revive everyone because it turns out I can just do that too."

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