How do you make a good isekai without relying on either parody or satire?

You don't. Just write a fantasy manga.

then good isekai is impossible

Make good character, not bland self-insert MC or edgelord
Stop having OP MC with cheat skill
Stop take out the character sheet, make a live in world, not a videogame
Give MC a goal.

Give the MC a personality and a goal. Probably a motivation and method to return home too.
You could probably keep the cheat skill video game shit in, but it's going to be a handicap.
Bonus points for making the world interesting. Double bonus points if your story doesn't read like a poorly constructed tour to show off your worldbuilding.

Play it straight and don’t make your protagonist stupidly op for no reason. That’s literally all they have to do but that’s too fucking hard for the industry.

>follow this simple guideline to make a good story
>follow this simple guideline to make a bad story that sells like hot cakes
I wonder why idiots think this way. If it were that easy, it would already be well-known and followed widely. Hollywood has such retarded rules like "never end a title on a question mark", because they don't know any better. They still can't make a certain hit.

Make it a fantasy story and actually put work into the characters and plot.

bingo

Why doesn't anybody try to rip off FFTA? Marche is a BASED protagonist

Horror Comedy =/= isekai parody

Because it mean criticize otaku about their life style.

Tanya meets these and is a fantastic Isekai. Don’t be retarded.

"isekai" has become too much of its own genre. Japanese authors are always so bound by various conventions that I doubt we're gonna see some new isekai reinvent the mold.

The whole point of Isekai is to make a fantasy setting but have a "relatable" character. Its the same reason that Arthur Dent and Philip J. Fry are characters.

In order to make some fantastical setting accessible you either need to include elements of the mundane, "medieval fantasy" or include some chump who needs everything explained to him. Like Gourry or any Isekai protag.

If you wanted to make it Good, you'd have to remove those two crutches, and really take a risk on an inaccessible story that people would just have to put the time in on to understand. Which is not a recipe for commercial success and as a result we probably will never really see it.

bear gabu > vampire gabu

ok working on it.

Tie the events in the "other world" to those of the "original world" or, at the very least, to some "other, other world." There have to be stakes in the action of the isekai'd protagonist and his/her world; otherwise, it's just some generic fantasy romp propped up by shallow gimmicks.

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watch digimon

Missed the opportunity for a full Green Day parody with "100% pure uncut storytelling."

>bro character
Rival characters are also accepted. They are basically inter-changeable after a certain point after all.

At the core of every isekai there's ONE trope: a character is transported/reincarnated from world A to world B. If you develop this trope well you'll get a good isekai.

>How do you make a good isekai without relying on either parody or satire?
Seems pretty simple to me.

The basic idea of most isekai series is that the protagonist has some kind of advantage in the new world due to some kind of meta-knowledge from their home world. All a good isekai story needs is taking that away from them. Have them go to a fantasy world that defies their modern day common sense where they make due with just their wits and strength of character.

It's not even inherently wrong for the protagonist to use modern world knowledge to their advantage as long as it's done sparingly, but most isekai are just overly reliant on it, but because most authors aren't smart enough to write a smart protagonist they have to make the isekai population retarded to make the protag seem smarter in comparison.

Also if I were allowed to make an isekai parody, it's title would be:
"I read too many isekai novels so when I was summoned to another world and thought I could cheat my way to the top, but the people there have way too much common sense!"

>Don't make the world some place you'd never want to be in.
nothing wrong with a setting that you personally don't want to live in
you just have to make the worldbuilding interesting

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There this fantasy manga where the bro character actually building a harem while he travel with the MC. Like MC have 2 girls that like him from the beginning while the friend keep raising flat with everyone else. It a series about the hero time travel back in time trying to prevent the war with the demons.

Taiga of Genesis?

When are we going to get a Sci-fi isekai instead of the generic fantasy isekai. Also no MC ever tries to get home.

How about this:
MC is abducted by Alien poachers and now has to travel the galaxy to return to earth.

We can explore different sci fi and astrobiology concepts.

Fund it!

Everyone knows best isekai must begin with the MC getting hit by a bus

Make the MC relatable, but not a self-insert. It's good if your readers identify themselves with the MC and he behaves in a way they think it's sensible; but don't make him a blank slate and put a "READER, THIS IS YOU" sign, this does not work for a main in a non-interactrive medium.

Develop other characters beyond the MC. The red shirt should be flat, but more important characters should get some depth. Yes, even the harem... or rather specially the harem, since they're going to get a lot of "screen time".

Sex sells and it's fine to "advertise" your work with some cute girls. However sex alone makes no interesting story. In other words: if you want fanservice to be your main content then don't write an isekai, write hentai dammit.

Judge every trope you're adding to your work.
Why is the MC being isekai'd?
Why him instead of someone else?
Why beastmen and elves instead of something else?
Why four magical elements instead of three/five/20?
Why magic at all?
Why game elements?
When you do this you'll realize some tropes have a lot of value and should be expanded, while some are irrelevant/overused/harmful and should be disposed of.

Greed Island is the only good isekai

Nope

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You might as well just put "make a good story"

>No self insert protagonist
Right.
>No video game elements
Not necessarily. It's an overused trope, sure, but not bad on its own.
>No harem/shitty waifu bait
Harem + story is OK, the problem is when shitty writers think a harem is enough for a story.

>If you wanted to make it Good, you'd have to remove those two crutches, and really take a risk on an inaccessible story that people would just have to put the time in on to understand. Which is not a recipe for commercial success and as a result we probably will never really see it.
You haven’t explained why having one of these two crutches automatically makes a story bad

It's always like this
Harem, ecchi, power fantasies etc never ruins a story but when the story is literally just those genres it's boring as shit.

>How do you make a good isekai without relying on either parody or satire?
Cultivate

Slow life. Just make it comfy and fun without the need for parody.

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And cute gay dragons are always a plus.

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I just want a modern high fantasy isekai like Escaflowne or an isekai version of Guin Saga

DON'T have the main character go into a fantasy land and use his knowledge of video games to become a god, or introduce crop rotation and mayonnaise and have everyone around him act like he's the smartest man that ever lived. In fact, just ignore the the whole "He's from the present era" aspect entirely since it almost never goes anywhere interesting and is mostly just used for some cheap wanking off of the protagonist, and thereby the reader. If you want to have a fantasy world, it should legitimately feel fantastical and amazing, undercutting everything with incredibly rote subversions about how the hero flaunts danger and just wants to bang a princess and disrespects the royalty and goes into the world to farm low level monsters for EXP is worse than playing things straight at this point

The subgenre is just stale and self-referential at this point. If you want to make something actually good (and not just read it for the waifus or protagonist wanking), you'd have to go back to older classic fantasy "transported to another world" stories. But those stories, where the protagonist is, with the protagonist trying to get back to their world and a world that's not just DQ mold fantasy, doesn't resonate with the kind of audience that is interested in isekai. That's why isekai is so incestuous and self-referential.

>How do you make a good isekai without relying on either parody or satire?
By making a good isekai. Bring back genuine writing. No ironic parody shit. Once you start doing doing subversive shit like that, it marks the death of the medium/genre. Allow isekai to take itself seriously. Or if it's comedic, make it genuine comedy rooted from the characters and situations, not being satire of tropes

So basically Ride-On King?

>But those stories, where the protagonist is, with the protagonist trying to get back to their world and a world that's not just DQ mold fantasy, doesn't resonate with the kind of audience that is interested in isekai
It's because no one's making them, and the one who actually tried got taken too soon such as pic related. I 100% bet actual isekai with good writing can come back and be a success but people wanna go for short term profits because it's proven to work.

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add a lot of lampooning.

>create an actually interesting isekai
>the isekai cartel murders the author to maintain their monopoly

>Or if it's comedic, make it genuine comedy rooted from the characters and situations, not being satire of tropes
Konosuba being as popular as it is just further exacerbated this. Every garbage copycat wants to be witty and subversive because of it except they forgot the witty part and failed to realize that Konosuba is interesting because it's a comedy that uses satire as a springboard, not a satire for the sake of being a satire,

And zeppelin bombing

Who in the real world is interesting enough to write a story about instead of someone from that other world they're taken to?

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You can't trust nips to make interesting story even with real people. There's a Osamu Dazai isekai and it's fucking garbage.

Then there's really no reason to write an isekai unless the person is hyper-specialized expert in some field, like a world-renown surgeon or expert fantasy video game player.