Are they two different characters?

>Ichigo has degraded the least out of the Big 3 characters.
Not much there to degrade in the first place
Luffy has grown as a captain and he has always had the best and most consistent characterization in any shonen. Naruto is a mess of a character and ichigo doesn't have much character to begin with.

As if Kishi's art didn't become generic shit in part 2.

>luffy has grown has a captani
OPfags lying to themselves

>Naruto is a mess of a character
At least you understand that

>Ichigo doesn't have much character to begin with
Again, first two arcs of the series say otherwise. If he had no character, his manga would have gone the way of Samurai 8.

Kishimoto turned his art into Black and White anime screenshots for the anime to use.

Kubo just delved more and more into manga territory.

>Naruto
>orange haired

Do you mean yellow hair? You can't even get his hair color right.

fuck ichigo 100%

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He was cool until he got stuck in a perpetual loop of moping around until yet another powerup got handed to him.

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Yes. He developed and got stronger and wiser.
>ichigo doesn't have much character to begin with.
>he fell for the Eyepatch Wolf meme

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Where in the manga has Naruto ever referred to himself as "self made"? How exactly are there still retards that believe hard work is Naruto's message?

Naruto preached about how he would become Hokage through his hard work and prove to everyone that he was someone who deserved to be respected as a person.

Neji tells him that Hokages are born and not made. Naruto's fight with Neji was Naruto trying to prove Neji wrong

TURNS OUT NEJI WAS RIGHT. Naruto was:

>Son of the 4th Hokage
>Son of the previous 9 tailed fox
>Ninja Chosen one
>soul is reincarnation of Sage of Six Path's son
>Spiritually connected to the First Hokage.

He's a literal contradiction of his story. Even Deku fits better as Naruto than Naruto (despite Deku's problems aka 7 quirks)

Based Kubo. He improved his art and milked it for all it's worth with beautiful model shots.

>Luffy has grown as a captain

When

Hard work was the arc of Rock Lee and Rock Lee only.

Luffy has not changed. At. All. You are delusional.

He is the same person he was in chapter 1.

>Ichigo has a character
>he fell for the DBZimran meme.

No. Luffy is considerably more childish. He no longer has the same realistic standpoint on death that he had in Alabastia.

No, it was a major thing during Naruto's part 1. It was a major driving force as to what people got interested in Naruto's part 1.

The contradicting nature is what pissed people off

>believing Ichigo doesn't have a character
>he fell for the trusting shitty E-celebs and speedreading retards rather than reading the manga and not speedreading it meme

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Naruto's character was about wanting to be acknowledged by society that is all, we always knew Naruto was special, the "hard work vs talent" was projected onto his character

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This is a good example, the previous luffy would never have chosen to retreat like this but he can't be as reckless now when facing emperors

>"Naruto and Sasuke represent Hard work vs Talent"
>Naruto was actually the laziest of his class while Sasuke was by far the hardest worker

Makes you think

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no he wanted to become hokage to be acknowledged. Naruto was acknowledged by the end of the pain arc. It could have ended there and it would have been fine.

but no we get him becoming a literal god to protect his nakama aka every shonen in the world

Naruto has changed the most id say. He was a literal idiot in p1. He was much more emotionally immature in Shippuden despite the whole Sasuke obsession bs.

In Boruto he acts like an actual adult. If thats not progression I don't know what is.

Ichigo went from punk to stoic punk to happy smiling family man in the final chapter so he changed.

Luffy was an idiot who loved food and adventure in chapter 1 and he still is now. You could argue he grew a little after ace's death but he really has not changed much. His trope is he is the dumb mc who stays the same and its fine.

It didn't have shit to do with anything outside of Rock Lee.

I know he doesn't have any real substantial character BECAUSE I read it, and didn't project one onto him to make myself feel better and pretend the series wasn't shallow.

His character is consistent. There's not much you can improve. But no , he has learned some lessons and progressed slowly if you pay attentionattention.

>I know he doesn't have any real substantial character BECAUSE I SPEEDread it
FTFY

More emotionally mature in shippuden* Training with Jiraiya noticeably increased his intelligence and maturity.

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What are you talking about this is the same I believe we will see you again bullshit.

Luffy has evaded enemies before for strategic reasons.

What are you basing this on? if anything he is more careful of death now and knows when to run away.

In Sabaody he ordered the crew to escape because they couldn't take on another Pacifista and Sentomaru (and later Kizaru)

Naruto works hard from basically this point on

Literally spunky dude with personality vs soulless bishie boy.

Okay the reincarnation thing was stupid but the point was his character in part 1 wasn't about hard work as in "training hard to make up for your lack of talent"

But he has never left crew members to cover for him with their lives. previously he would have done whatever he could to fight with jinbe and it would've just been a repeat of marineford.

Hurrrr GUYS RUN Akainu is too strong!!!! While Akainu was literally fucking up his friends.

Luffy has always known when to stop if it endangers his friends. He will run away to save his crew but in a 1v1 he will fight to the death.

He couldn't even be bothered to learn how to use the Rasengan without a clone.

Thats because your looking at it like Luffy thinks this is a sacrifice. He is taking Jinbeis advice because he has no grudge against big mom. Luffy has no reason to hate or despise her or fight her at that point.

All of the other enemies he has faced have personally offended or hurt someone close to him. Big mom just has pirate beef.

>I know he has character depth because he was soooo cool when I was 12 and I can't possible admit that there isn't much to the series because I become emotionally invested in it and see liking it as part of my being.

There's the truth.

He didn't have any friends he really cared about at marineford other than Ace.

And then he's portrayed as equal to Sasuke by the end of the 1st arc

Naruto already knew how to do that he just preffered the clone because it was easier for him.

He mastered the solo rasengan towards the end of part 1. By the time Shippuden started he was capable. You have to keep in mind the time between learning the rasengan to leaving the village was weeks. And during those weeks he was hospitalized from the Saninn battle.

He did as well as he could have.

Im talking about sabody where it was his literal crew vs Akainu.

Luffy has always been willing to run from non 1v1 battles. He trusts his own strength to fight to the death but hes not about to risk the others lives.

Kizaru...

People who say Ichigo has no character are probably the same brainlets that think Fullbring was bad.

>He mastered the solo rasengan towards the end of part 1. By the time Shippuden started he was capable.
Headcanon.

Yeah but he literally left jinbe, a crew member at that point, at the mercy of Big Mom so the rest of them could escape and because he was in no condition to fight. I don't think he's ever made a decision like that before.

Jinbe is as much of a crewmember as Bon Clay I'll stand by this

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He developed as a character. He started as just another fifteen year old kid, and became a hero god-king.

Even if he is, he didn't intentionally leave bon clay behind.

>"there's no guarantee one will inherit outright either of their abilities"
>says manga where it happened in 100% of cases

But it was literally stated Naruto's huge chakra pool comes from his mother, man fuck Kishimoto

Kill yourself Yas Forumsermin

No, the one on the left is a character, on the right, however, is a caricature.

>t. speedreader

Retard