So, grands aside, is gil still the STRONGEST heroic spirit?

>Jobs to Sakura
Kek. That guy is a joke.

Hassan would straight up wreck Gil's shit. He's got one of the most bullshit has abilities in the TMverse, ONTOP of monstrous stats across the board.

>has
Hax

Grand Servants are not necessarily the strongest. They are chosen not due to their strength but due to their commitment to uphold their role. Gil is objectively the most powerful Servant of them all and is eligible to be classified as Grand Archer, but he refuses due to his stubborn pride. Gil is a king and doesn't wish to serve but to BE served.

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Kama is originally a Beast. When she became a Servant, her power was nerfed.

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Nasu confirmed multiple times that Gil is the strongest but he's not invincible and that his Achilles heel is his arrogance.

No, he wouldn't. We pretty much have Babylonia to compare them and I wouldn't bet on King Hassan after Enuma Elish blew up Tiamat's body and GoB murdered Bel-Lahmu with a few shots.

>Beats BB
>Beats Gugalanna
>Beats Kiara
>Beats Tiamat
Sounds OP to me.

A servant is a heroic spirit nerf under a class container.
A grand servant is the strongest heroic spirit for the class.
Therefore, I don't think that grands are necessarily the strongest HEROIC SPIRITS. Since Heroic Spirits have full access to all their skills/NPs they had when they were born.

>King Hassan would
He really wouldn't. Babylon should have put to rest any arguments about Gilgamesh's competence when fighting for real. He has no problem engaging multiple servants or even god-level characters like Kingu in melee. This being out of his prime. As archer, he mows down Tiamat's Super Lahmu that only the other grands could fight, and Ea was decisively the most powerful NP shown in that anime (Nega-Genesis is an authority/skill). King Hassan is a different type of fighter. He's a damage soaker who you can't even tell is dead or alive and shrugs off fatal injuries like nothing. His brute strength is enough that he fucking eats Bel-Lahmu for break fast (equivalent of divine spirits). In a comparison of abilities, that's just not enough because Gilgamesh has all the versatility in the world along with firepower. King Hassan big moves are more hax, but how that would work in a fight against a ranged enemy is hard to say.

>. King Hassan big moves are more hax, but how that would work in a fight against a ranged enemy is hard to say.
Probably the reason why I feel King Hassan might be overstated. At the end of the day, he's a swordsman and is very limited in what he can do (slash and take hits). When you get to the real bullshit in Fate, you need more than this or matchups can really hurt.

>beats the shit out of Goldie with his EX Martial Arts

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Gil lost to historical Karl and got turned into a battery.

Battles in Extella are not 1 v 1. You fight with armies behind you pretty much the entire games. Link doesn't have a single solo duel, Karl had an army of clones and top servants with him, and fights with them. And even then, he said the only reason Gilgamesh was captured was because "his carelessness let them exploit him."

He is. But then he lost to Shirou.

That guy is overhyped. All he did was eat monsters, I doubt he'd be able to get close to Gil, and Gill's armor would protect him if he did.

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>and Gill's armor would protect him if he did.
Serious Gilgamesh ironically fights half-naked. His armor has no business taking hits from a sword that slices apart Lahmu in the first place. Gilgamesh's armor is tough, but it's been shown top-tier servants can crack it if they attack seriously. Alcides for example broke the gauntlet with 1 arrow.

I too bring out the big guns to beat Gil because I can't argue for a normal servant actually beating him because in my own mind I've already accepted Gil's victory.

>Buddha
Man, at most we mentioned grands and you bring the EX+++ game?

Serious gil fights 1000 miles away flying on vimana and spamming GoB while charging up Ea.

>using the defeat of Tiamat as a benchmark for anything when its a team effort
Without KH giving Tiamat the concept of death coupled with them dropping Tiamat into the underworld and also getting Tiamat to deactivate Nega-Genesis, not even Enuma Elish will kill her.

>She can only die if all life on Earth is dead before her
>She exists across several dimensions, negating any instant-kill gimmick, not even KH can instant-kill her even though thats his thing

>>Beats BB
No.

Just a Reminder.

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>Nega Genesis
But that wouldn't do anything to gil? After she gets the concept of death tiamat can't do anything against gil.

Yet he will most likely job to (you) in LB6.

The only reason Gil isn't a grand is because class containers only limit him. His one true class is "Gilgamesh" like in CCC:

She cute.

>Without KH giving Tiamat the concept of death coupled with them dropping Tiamat into the underworld and also getting Tiamat to deactivate Nega-Genesis, not even Enuma Elish will kill her.
Who said anything about killing Tiamat? I said Enuma Elish blew up her body dude, which nobody else there could do. This is irrelevant in regards to Tiamat receiving a concept of death twice over, because that's all about reviving after destruction. Her body's durability is static.

Not sure why this confuses anyone. Galahad has and always will be OP as fuck, that's just what happens when you base your series around the Holy Grail.

It seems not. Furthermore, his character description is irrationally pretentious.

How could they possibly beat him?

Nasu has a common trope in FGO - humanity will prevail! - So if galahad is an enemy in LB6 then mash will asspull her way and beat him to prove that galahad was wrong in not supporting her in the LBs

But Galahad is human wtf???

Yeah yet he implied that (you) should have let goetia incinerate human history because apparently that's better than whatever the alien god has in mind,

If we had Best Emperor I'd maybe argue for him since his title "Restitutor Orbis" literally translates to Restorer of the World and knowing fate likes to take titles somewhat literally, that should be fun to try and powerlevel
>in before jobbed to his own body guard

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Well then I somewhat agree with him as I always felt that Goetia should've been given a chance. If people were immortal perhaps conflicts would be solved differently. I think it's sad that they're trying to turn him into a bully.

>All he did was eat monsters,
Imagine being an animeonly.

>but it's been shown top-tier servants can crack it if they attack seriously. Alcides for example broke the gauntlet with 1 arrow.
Narita was just wanking nine lives, which allows Herc to master any weapon. Gil's armor was shown to tank blows from excalibur, a divine weapon. I think it's far to treat herc as an exception.

Vimana got shot down by a screaming retard in a jet plane.

That wasn't Nine Lives. It was the arrow aimed at Tine, just a regular shot.
>Gil's armor was shown to tank blows from excalibur, a divine weapon.
King Hassan is a grand servant.

im pretty sure that our society works with the premise of death in mind. gran5ing everyone immortality is a bad move, as has been explained (though a bit sophistic) in apocrypha, as well as in bloodsign (albeit a diff series)

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>outside grand containers
can you please at least read the thread first?

>*Jobs to the animation budget in his own anime to where a Mexican wrestler and fucking Taiga look better than he does*
Yas Forums unanimously loved his end appearance and their take on Ea. Get out of here Quetztranny

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Are you high or just incredibly stupid? Because you literally couldn't go into a thread when that aired without seeing people complaining about how fucking lame it was. Get the fuck gone with your revisionist history when the threads are still in the archive.

>Yas Forums unanimously loved his end appearance and their take on Ea. Get out of here Quetztranny
>Low quality animation.
>The worst GoB in all mediums because these lazy bastards kept everything in a golden glow and copy-pasted 80% of the swords
>Chuuni dialogue that instead of being expressed organically, was speedily delivered like the character was running a marathon.
>LASER BEAM EA
No. Fuck right off. That appearance was disgustingly awkward. All the Sakuga of that episode went to Ritsuka's run or Ishtar getting her ass kicked. Gil got fucking shafted. Something that could have been easily fixed IF THEY JUST SKIPPED THE FUCKING OPENING CREDITS

haha no Yas Forums hated that shit. they didn't even use the look EE's had since the VN, just stupid dbz beamspam shit

meant for

Servants with hacks> very powerful servants. Give me Dumas over Gil every day of the week.

I forgot that Ishtar's NP looked better than Gil's, that's kind of funny in a way.

Gilgamesh's Enuma Elish lasted all of 1 minute. Most of it being geared to a nonsensical speech. Quetzalcoatl, fuck even Leonidas and Ushiwakamaru got in at least twice as much.

This is fucking stupid. Just because you can't summon a Saver in a normal grail war doesn't change that they're the most powerful servant ever seen.

This is the part that's almost insulting. BOTH of Ishtar's NP uses were better and more accurately animated than Enuma Elish. It's hilarious because everyone was always saying "Wait for Ea, bro. It'll blow X NP out of the water." And the anime goofed it up at the end. The same for King Hassan cutting Tiamat's wing. Imagine giving the two hypest moments of your story less attention and worse than animation than filler fights like Ishtar and Ushi's.

Those fags were probably baiting, as I didn't see a decent argument against it.

I don't think the beam was a bad idea, you can tell that Gil's going all out as it's a concentrated blast aimed directly towards a single victim. also you have to admit the sound effect made it feel powerful. And they weren't copy and pasted swords look closer .
I agree it could've been longer.

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Someone speculated in the episode threads that Ea at least got the shaft just because it's so fucking boring.

You have to think that it's been 15 years of the same twunky anime boy using a rediculous looking sword to shoot a laser beam that insta-gibs the enemy vs an amazon lucha goddess in a goofy costume turning into the sun and drop kicking a giant monster in the face.
One of those sounds way more fun to animate if I'm some poorly paid Japanese animator on a cashgrab project.

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>"Those fags were probably baiting"
>Links two more people listing actual evidence to the contrary of his original claim.
EX rank cope.

>I don't think the beam was a bad idea, you can tell that Gil's going all out as it's a concentrated blast aimed directly towards a single victim.
Gilgamesh does this in CCC and GO as well, however it is never a beam. Ea is fundamentally wind. He can compress it into a tornado, but it is never a beam.
> And they weren't copy and pasted swords look closer .
I think you need to look closer bro. Most of those swords literally have the same design. I see the same sword being used 9 times.

They didn't even use the handaxe that's been in every GoB depiction since forever. Are you dumb?