Can someone tell me why it's good outside of just saying "it's influential"?

Great art, monster design, batshit atmosphere, memorable characters, SHOCK 'N EDGE. It's been forever but I remember liking it a lot.

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It wasn't really good by itself, but a lot of it's elements were used by other authors more successfully. It was influential basically

Crybaby does all of that better. I'd say the characters are only slightly memorable in the manga because of how absurd and unintentional comical they act

>netflixshit
No.

It's nemesis kino

>netflixshit
Usually I'd agree but the director is one of the best in the medium

I enjoyed both. Comparing a Go Nagai manga from 50 years ago and a Yuasa Netflix anime is pretty goofy though. Still, his adaption was pretty fucking neat.

It's not. Except for some cool spreads. The plot is kinda dumb and the characters are all retards. It failed to really get me invested.

It’s an exploitation film in the form of a manga.

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it's a good story that manages to convey interesting themes about humanity that can be applied no matter what decade it's set as demonstrated by the different adaptations

The themes are interesting but I don't think Devilman implemented them well, as it omitted some parts of human psychology and skipped a lot of steps.
Maybe Crybaby did it better

Stick to series for your kind. Yuri on ice or junjou romantica.

is this a joke? crybaby takes things about previous adaptions of devilman and makes them incredibly hackneyed and melodramatic. the characters are made so bland and inoffensive i had difficulty caring what happened to them. miki and akira barely interact with each other, you barely get the impression that they care about each other she seems so indifferent about him. ryo has a similar problem, the narrative makes it explicit from the beginning that he's satan rather than it being something the audience gets to piece together through weird things surrounding him, his betrayal in crybaby is so bad and nonsensical i don't know even people experiencing devilman first through crybaby couldn't anticipate it. the show adds so many stupid and useless subplots which just generally drag down an already boring narrative, plot points in the original devilman were very concise, they were often created and used immediately but they always served the narrative. devilman isn't a very long story so padding it with crap, especially when you cut storylines doesn't do crybaby any favors. the artstyle in crybaby is so sanitized and awful, i don't actually dislike yuasa like a lot of other people on Yas Forums do but his direction for crybaby was just terrible. the art for the original devilman was very gritty but it could also be goofy, the monster designs were unconventional and served to charactarize the devils as monster mash creatures. in crybaby the art is so plain and soft, i've used the word a few times but inoffensive is what best describes the art as well as the show in general. the devilmen new to the show have such typical designs, we don't get anything creative and unique like pic related we get woman with spider body and eyeliner. everything about crybaby feels designed to be liked by people who probably wouldn't like or might be offended by the original devilman.

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>Maybe Crybaby did it better
No, it didn't at all. Missed the whole point Satan and Akira were alike and everyone was a jackass including Miki.

>Satan and Akira were alike
not really. Akira would have never done the same things as Satan.

its not good

crybaby only adapt devilman but the director dont know why is good?
because go nagai works in general is janky/cheese B tier horror movies and thats okey
crybaby fail miserable on this departmen
>horrible designs
>direction try to be some form of art fail miserable because you cant take serius go nagai in the first place
also
nagai strongest point is action you can see he really tries whit hes limited skills bring some good panels

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Retard.
Satan (in the past) was alike Akira. Akira also watched humanity die and get killed without doing shit to save them or feeling sorry about their deaths. He's not this crybaby good boi.

Satan and Devilman "rebelled" against their makers (God/Satan) for the same of a species their Maker assume was inferior and disgusting and had to be killed, because of compassion. Of course Akira lost its compression for humans fairly quickly and in the end was about his revenge, so everyone is corrupted by war, like how Satan became like the one she/he originally stood up against and regretted it.

Akira and Satan still were incredible compassionate and heroic once upon a time.

There's a big difference between letting humanity die (which was a big leap for Akira's previous "good boi" character) and enacting the genocide.

Good thing God wipes out this entire mess at the end.

Second user here, Akira let humanity die without moving a finger to help them for years. Satan did the same by the way, neither forces destroyed humanity. Humanity destroyed themselves. Then they fought.
Did you read this? There was no ebin battle between men and demons, it was demons and devilmen sitting and waiting for humanity to be driven by extinction by their own actions and took 20 years.

Crybaby missed the mark by a mile.

>God wipes out this entire mess
God encouraged that so he can take over again. Satan kicked Michael out and the angels in the backstory. Why are you pretending God is good? Nagai's God is the final boss and real bad guy of Devilman.

Demons actually didn't kill humanity. It was humanity's prejudice and paranoia which drove them to kill themselves.

Fear and prejudice killed humanity, not Satan and the demons. Satan realized humanity's weak point and just let them go at themselves. She did regret it but couldn't stop it. Akira was too busy being angry at Satan to care about humanity, he calmed down after he saw Satan cry.

Just because demons didn't actually went and punched 7 billion humans doesn't mean they didn't enact the genocide.

Also, it's kinda dumb that humanity would somehow destroy themselves in that context despite a common enemy, unless it was a "whole world gets nuked" scenario, and God prevented the first one so it's a bit unlikely to happen.

>Nagai's God is the final boss and real bad guy of Devilman
He's one of the bad guys, not the "real" bad guy. Satan killed billions for his own convenience and genocided entire species. God was right to wipe out demon trash.

>Also, it's kinda dumb that humanity would somehow destroy themselves in that context despite a common enemy, unless it was a "whole world gets nuked" scenario,
Did you miss the whole "symbolism" of 'demons' are typical prejudice of the "otherness, there's even a splash space they blame some races and religions and ethic groups for them. Nagai was saying humanity's own shitty nature was the real demon all along.

>God prevented the first one
God destroyed that place in Russia, did you read the manga? Everyone was killed. Human children, trees, etc. This is why you don't skip it. God was also trying to keep Satan's memories sealed Nagai said.
You know the whole "demons were humans who evolved" memories. God wanted humans to be retarded weaklings who depend on him.

>He's one of the bad guys, not the "real" bad guy. Satan killed billions for his own convenience and genocided entire species. God was right to wipe out demon trash.
No, Satan only acted as an antagonist when she/he acted like daddy and felt bad about it.
Demons are humans idiot. They are humans who evolved and can decide their fate away from God. That's why God wants to nuke the world everytime the species shows signs to evolve.
Devilman are demons too. There's literally no difference. They got sent to Hell.

Akira and Satan acted like morons in Devilman.

Demons were humans all along. They developed an ability to shapeshift or merge with things to evolve and survive. This will happen to humanity everytime when they reach certain age.
God doesn't want that so he genocides everyone and starts over. This was before Satan said no and protected them. But in Devilman Satan forgot the origins of demons which led to a number of problems you see. It was a "divide and conquer" tactic.

>Did you miss the whole "symbolism" of 'demons' are typical prejudice of the "otherness, there's even a splash space they blame some races and religions and ethic groups for them. Nagai was saying humanity's own shitty nature was the real demon all along.
I didn't miss that, it's not exactly subtle. My point is that it wasn't implemented that well if you take it at face value. You have to take an important part of the story as symbolism, which can be alright, but I still think it deserves to be pointed out.

>God destroyed that place in Russia
How does that contradict what I've said? God stopped the "world gets nuked scenario" with some kind of holy bullshit that destroyed Russia. Or more accurately, erased Russia.

>God wanted humans to be retarded weaklings who depend on him
The demons werent' any smarter. THey could punch harder though.

>demons are human
Yeah. Doesn't invalidate what I've said though, demons were also scum who didn't bat an eye when asked to genocide billions of their kind, and would gladly kill/eat thousands of people for no real reason other than their pleasure or sadism.

Go back...Just go back

Or to make it more clear, demons are human, but they're humans at their lowest. Just because they managed to bring down the humans to their level (not exactly, but close enough) with the whole fear plot doesn't make them any good. They probably deserved genocide judging by how they acted. Remember that turtle who put people's faces on its shell so they could suffer forever? Yeah.

Why is it that animefags without fail have shit taste and can't fathom that their meme directors aren't God's gift to humanity? It's like clockwork. Some mediocre anime adaptation comes out and everyone praises it and says it's better than the source. It's like some innate instinct developed by being an animefag.

Crybaby was my very first (and I mean absolutely very first) encounter with the IP and although I adore Yuasa's works, I thought Crybaby was a heaping pile of shit. It definitely was not a good entry to Devilman.

No. Years ago I read it because of the announcement of the netflix anime and it is mediocre and amateurish for today standards. Of course, it was another time, but it did not aged well. It still has historic value, but people really overrated it.

>but they're humans at their lowest
They are two things about demons. The 'we're all demons' symbolism, which is all of us act retarded and would eat each other out which doesn't mean people would turn into an actual demon with OP powers. Like the mob. This is about the spiritual message. The meaningful story.

And "demons are humans" which is as SPECIES. Humanity will EVOLVE to become OP and amazing, the gods in our pantheon like Hindu, Greek, etc. This has nothing to do with a moral POV and is more a species and lore world building. It's desirable for us to be like this. It's evolution like how we went from hairy monkeys to humans. God is trying to stop that shit because means he can't control us anymore. He's an unrependant genocide madman. Satan was the only one who was the key to save mankind, but in Devilman, she acted like a retard and owned it up and lost for that reason. Because SHE ACTED LIKE GOD in in Devilman. That's why she became an antagonist. But in general, Nagai makes Satan is more a Gnostic figure, Sophia, the Serpent of Light. Devilman was her lowest point.

Akira and Satan were just used as pawns for a bigger game. Akira is super pissed off when he realizes it later when he's in Hell.

Meanwhile, he loves Naruto and harem shit

>Remember that turtle who put people's faces on its shell so they could suffer forever? Yeah.
Not him but Jinmen is a serial killer and a psycho for demon standards. Demons have different personalities and such. Most were violent because they woke up and saw their planet taken over by strange lifeforms (as they couldn't remember how they used to live as humans) that polluted it into a shithole after they fought hard against angels to protect it.

Imagine if some nigger broke in your house and shat on your bed and wrecked everything after you return from fighting in the frontlines to protect your home. Syrene and Zenon are really fucking furious over that.

>The 'we're all demons' symbolism, which is all of us act retarded and would eat each other out
That, I've noticed. Well I can't say I fully agree with that, or rather, I think it's more complicated than that, but this was published in a shonen magazine after all, so why not. Didn't exactly blow my mind but it works.

>And "demons are humans" which is as SPECIES. Humanity will EVOLVE to become OP and amazing
I disagree with that though. Demons as a species were shown to be trash. They could fly and punch hard and stuff but they became huge sadists with an extreme lust for blood and no principles (most of them).

If you wanted to go for the "God is such an asshole because he wants to kill demons" route, then you shouldn't make the demons a shitty species who deserved to get genocided. The way you interpret this setup as "God is an asshole who wants to oppress humanity from achieving greatness by genociding demons" is biased and only works if you disregard a lot of the stuff that the story establishes about demons.

I know it sounds good on paper to interpret it like that and all but Satan didn't *merely* act like God. If you want to call God evil, then call them evil for not saving humanity, not for erasing the demons, which most reasonable people would've done.

I'm pretty sure there'd be quite a few steps between "who the fuck are these guys" and "let's kill billions of people. It's genocide time."

I can see that Nagai tried justifying this and making it look somehow reasonable from the demon perspective, hence the "they polluted the planet!" line, but to make that work you'd need a lot more efforts, and a different story overall. You can't really make a faction look a bit reasonable when 90% of their role is "surprise unprompted genocide of billions".

>They could fly and punch hard and stuff but they became huge sadists with an extreme lust for blood and no principles (most of them).

Devilmen were demons, you realize? Akira was the only devilman who merged with someone else (Amon) but awoke his own fucking genes, because Satan wanted him to be strong and survive due to LOVE.

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If you wanted to go for the "God is such an asshole because he wants to kill demons" route, then you shouldn't make the demons a shitty species who deserved to get genocided.
Dude, the demons are acting by fear and hatred. Aside of Jinmen, it's mostly a war operation because they MISTAKENLY perceived humans as monsters invaders who destroyed the planet they protected but outnumber them. That's why Satan infiltrates to "undercover their weakness" which is fear. But they act out of fear and anger about having their home taken from them after they fought so hard to keep it safe.

Turtle guy is just a psycho among them like we have serial killers. Everyone else is a trooper who is doing mostly sabotage and guerrilla tactics.

Their mistake was to play in God's hands, since humanity WAS starting to awoke as demons (the good people like the hat girl and the bad people like that parent who abused their kid; Akira just labelled the "good ones" as devilmen, but it was the fucking same). So instead of realizing SHIT we're the same, let's team up to keep the angels away from killing us all, they, based on fear and misunderstanding which was MUTUAL, got into this conflict.

Then God arrived and took over and reboot with his angel army unscathed because their forces were spent and Satan was heartbroken so didn't fight him off. Isn't this a realistic war portrayal? The winner is always the bastard who sits on the sidelines and sells weapons and encourages the bands to nuke each other.

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I'm not an animefag and I think Crybaby is better than the original

To them, those humans were monsters, though. That's the thing, they perceived humans exactly as humans perceived them. They were few in numbers too and saw their home destroyed and wrecked by men. It's not saying that they did right, Satan regrets it because he finally falls in the consequences of their actions. I'm saying the point was that they who were the protectors of the planet from God's invasion became corrupted too. Devilman is a tragedy because both sides could have lived together and be free if they had communicated but both sides were afraid to realize the other guy is the same as them. They are shitty people on both sides, but the majority of them are acting as idiots because of fear.

>I'm not an animefag but *retarded animefag opinion*

>Devilmen were demons, you realize?
Yes. I was comparing the demon faction to the human faction. Devilmen being good persons doesn't mean the demon faction was alright.

>Turtle guy is just a psycho among them like we have serial killers. Everyone else is a trooper who is doing mostly sabotage and guerrilla tactics.
I remember a few others being sadistic killers who actively went out of their way to inflict harm.
You can criticize humanity for many things, and we have a lot of faults, but we at least have enough empathy to dislike senseless suffering. We at least try to avoid disrupting too much other species, more or less depending on a lot of factors (are they close to sentient? Do we have a special relationship to this species -e.g. dogs-? Are they endangered?). The demons were a big step ahead of our wrongdoings.

I'm not sure God would've slaughtered humans if they were all closer to Devilmen in morals than the demon faction. Keep in mind that I haven't read Devilman spinoffs, but I remember someone claiming God wanted to wipe out the demons because they were senseless beasts who kept murdering over and over, to a much bigger degree than humanity.

I read more manga but okay

>plot with stakes,
>interesting villain,
>enjoyable to watch characters,
>understandable parallels between humans and demons which directly affect the protagonist
>villain isnt evil for the sake of evil and has motives which are concrete and allows the reader to question their outlook
its great.

Thats pretty much it. IMO Crybaby is the best version of Devilman. The way I see it, the original is like punk music. I fucking hate it and think its trash but without it there would be no Thrash Metal. Not that the original is trash. It just hasnt aged well.

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>saw their home destroyed and wrecked by men
You make it sound a bit worse than it actually is. How many demons were there? A few thousands? Millions? They had plenty of nature to live in. Just because humans made cities and had industries that polluted said cities doesn't ruin nature as a whole.

I can definitely see what Nagai was going for, some kind of "they invaded us, time to strike back!" perspective, but it just wasn't justified enough to make the reader feel like the demons were similar to the humans, especially when the majority of demons were shown to be murderous assholes. I guess the human did monstrous things after that too, but it only started out of fear after the demons started their genocide plan, so it's not exactly the same.

Let me guess you started with crybaby?

im sure if you had a nature reserve all to yourself, went away for years due to circumstances out of your hands and then returned to find some destroying/modifying your reserve to their will you'd be pissed too. the demons being by nature murderous was their way of getting rid of said guys

The analogy isn't perfectly fitting. Humans would've tried establishing contact if the situation was reversed.

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